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Ohio National Guard Training Envisions Right-Wing Terrorism
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Posted on 02/10/2014 11:37:54 AM PST by grumpygresh

Documents from an Ohio National Guard (ONG) training drill conducted last January reveal the details of a mock disaster where Second Amendment supporters with “anti-government” opinions were portrayed as domestic terrorists....

After excerpts of the report were read to him, Sims said it was “not relevant” to understand why conservatives may feel unduly targeted by ONG’s training scenario. “Okay, I’m gonna stop ya there. I’m going to quit this conversation,” Sims concluded. “You have a good day.”

(Excerpt) Read more at mediatrackers.org ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; cwiiping; fighttherealenemy; liberalagenda; rightwing; rop; terrorism
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More evidence that the federal government and elements under their control are gearing up for a civil war against conservatives/gun owners/veterans/libertarians.
1 posted on 02/10/2014 11:37:54 AM PST by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 02/10/2014 11:39:21 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: grumpygresh


3 posted on 02/10/2014 11:41:27 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: grumpygresh

Looks like these people are working themselves up to another Ruby Ridge or another Waco.


4 posted on 02/10/2014 11:41:51 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: grumpygresh
"I vas only following mein leaders orders !! " ~ Sgt. Schultz
Soon followed up with a quote from Captain Obvious
5 posted on 02/10/2014 11:45:17 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: grumpygresh

Since the Founding Fathers were on the side of the American people, I’d have to say this is further proof that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with the National Guard “militia”.


6 posted on 02/10/2014 11:46:13 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: grumpygresh
Awesome. Our Rulers are finally catching on that us commoners are pissed!

Conservatives should start demanding to know where every politician stands.

Do they support all Americans, or only those that support the wishes of the Left? At what point have they determined will it best to start shooting or imprisoning the dissenters?

7 posted on 02/10/2014 11:48:50 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: grumpygresh

It would be too politically incorrect to say it was Muslims, even though Muslims commit 99.99% of the terrorist acts in the world.


8 posted on 02/10/2014 11:49:14 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: MeganC
Looks like these people are working themselves up to another Ruby Ridge or another Waco.

Only on a much, much larger scale.

The first attempts at large scale gun confiscation are right around the corner.

Refusal to cooperate will be the trumped up justification to escalate to the use of deadly force against citizens.


9 posted on 02/10/2014 11:49:41 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: grumpygresh

Crazy Alex has been bleating about this....

The sad thing is that he used to sound crazy as a hatter and seems more sane each day...

And that scares the living hell out of me...


10 posted on 02/10/2014 11:50:31 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Travis McGee; Jack Black; archy

Ping.


11 posted on 02/10/2014 11:50:59 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: grumpygresh

I really think that if the govt. fks with the Second Amendment they are biting off more than they can chew!


12 posted on 02/10/2014 11:51:44 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Iron Munro

13 posted on 02/10/2014 11:52:04 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Iron Munro

I think the citizens will use deadly force against them first!


14 posted on 02/10/2014 11:53:01 AM PST by Renegade
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To: MeganC

They may get another Custer’s Last Stand.


15 posted on 02/10/2014 11:53:09 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: grumpygresh

I don’t think we’re talking “civil war” (particularly since “libertarians” will be on the side of the government, as long as it gives them their drugs).

I think what they are trying to do is implant the idea in everybody’s mind that it is subversive and dangerous to be a “conservative.” This is so loosely interpreted that it even refers to mainline GOPers, because it’s an attempt to criminalize the opposition party.

That’s what all dictators do. Hitler spent a fair amount of time stoking hatred and fear of unnamed but hinted at figures in the opposition (the conservative opposition of hereditary nobility and well-off industrialists, as well as Jews in any capacity). So I’d say Obama’s just building up the mob and the apparatchiks and is using this contact in the National Guard with random, fairly average people to implant these ideas.


16 posted on 02/10/2014 11:54:11 AM PST by livius
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To: GraceG

They didn’t see the guy in camo 200 yds away that just blew their brains out with a .308!


17 posted on 02/10/2014 11:54:16 AM PST by Renegade
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To: grumpygresh
What concerns me the most is that these are civilians for 98% of their lives,
and "Week-End Warriors " for 2 % of their lives.
One would hope that they would see offense at being called out to muster against other civilians. National Guard 'crowd control' didn't work out so well at Kent State back in the 70's.
18 posted on 02/10/2014 11:54:23 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: FreedomPoster

Funny how now police are using military terminology such as “insurgents” and “Boots on the Ground”....


19 posted on 02/10/2014 11:55:02 AM PST by GraceG
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To: MeganC

Except, I think that this time, it could go national.


20 posted on 02/10/2014 11:55:39 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh

There are 100 million gun owners in this country, and I’d hazard that most of them have a center-right political orientation.

If worse ever comes to worse in this country, the wanna-be jack-booted thugs are going to have their hands full.


21 posted on 02/10/2014 11:56:57 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Renegade
They didn’t see the guy in camo 200 yds away that just blew their brains out with a .308!


22 posted on 02/10/2014 11:57:48 AM PST by GraceG
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To: grumpygresh

And by “terrorism”, they mean

“people defending their homes and property from the EBT zombies when the machines flash ‘error’”


23 posted on 02/10/2014 12:00:06 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: grumpygresh
“Okay, I’m gonna stop ya there. I’m going to quit this conversation,” Sims concluded. “You have a good day.”

What a gutless coward. He must be part of the new Gay Division.

24 posted on 02/10/2014 12:02:47 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: grumpygresh

Thank goodness the mooselimbs are safe.


25 posted on 02/10/2014 12:03:07 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: livius

The feds will go after anyone that is anti-government. If you like what’s going on, they might leave you alone.

In 1930s Germany, the Nazis went after all Jews, and anyone that spoke out against the Nazis whether they be socialists, Catholic priests, social democrats etc. Some Jews that had served in WWI felt they were safe, and the more secular Jews felt that assimilation gave them some limited immunity. We all know that they were dead wrong.


26 posted on 02/10/2014 12:03:45 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: MeganC

Maybe they are orchestrating the news prior to a terrorist attack which they intend to blame on the TEA Party/right wing extremist.

You know just like they did in 2010 when they orchestrated the news that the TEA Party were ultra violent, right wing extremist, Tim McVeigh wannabes then tried to blame the failed fertilizer car bomb in NYC on the TEA Party.

Of course the left didn’t orchestrate the news for the attack.

NO! NO! NO!

Those terrorist are so in tune with the news they picked up on the left talking points then “spontaneously” plan the attack around it.


27 posted on 02/10/2014 12:04:22 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: GraceG

Yeah, unfortunately it is not funny at all.

But I know what you mean.


28 posted on 02/10/2014 12:06:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: GraceG
The sad thing is that he used to sound crazy as a hatter and seems more sane each day...

And that scares the living hell out of me...

Yeah.

Running the Nut-Job Conspiracy Theory Ping List is a little less fun and more terrifying each day.

29 posted on 02/10/2014 12:10:24 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: null and void

You just need more tinfoil!! I’d report you to the mods but I already threatened to do so!!


30 posted on 02/10/2014 12:12:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: grumpygresh
The original news article had several newsworthy comments.
This one is from a veteran who was in the service 8 years ago, and is most inciteful :
"Thus isn't about guns, and it isn't about domestic threats,
it's about FEAR AND INDUCING FEAR INTO AMERICANS. WHICH IS TERRORISM IN ITSELF...
.....they want WE THE PEOPLE TO BE AFRAID.
FEAR is control, when in fact it's always the bully who tries stealing ..."
31 posted on 02/10/2014 12:14:54 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: F15Eagle; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ..
I suppose I should ping to this thread...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

32 posted on 02/10/2014 12:15:35 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: grumpygresh

This is stupid. If I was writing the OPORD for this exercise I wouldn’t get so specific about WHY the kids were poisoned. Just say that they were poisoned! Yes you need to give the enemey situation but nothing as in depth as this. Silly lefties.


33 posted on 02/10/2014 12:15:57 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not if the army will stand down and not obey any unjust orders.


34 posted on 02/10/2014 12:18:15 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: grumpygresh

Hmmm… I recall back in the day when solidarity was making a lot of noise of in Poland that the regime there had a special police force kept separate from the people for oppressing them.

You have to wonder if Barky is looking towards the same sort of deal.


35 posted on 02/10/2014 12:18:20 PM PST by HammerT (The COMMONSENSE CIVIL RIGHT OF ARMED SELF-DEFENSE [CASD], it’s the law of the land.)
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To: grumpygresh

Where is the Republican Ohio Governor, John Kasich, on this? Does Kasich have a history of being an anti-second ammendment RINO? I remember him in Congress being a balanced budget hawk, but not much else about him. Maybe he is just ignorant of who the “enemy” is in this training.

Unless a National Guard Unit has been called up/activated for Federal Duty, that National Guard unit remains under the direct command of the Governor of the State the unit is based. Since this is an Ohio National Guard (ONG) Unit not called up for active Federal service, Governor Kasich is their ultimate commander and they serve under his direct command and control.

Since I saw no mention that this unit was under Federal Control when this drill was conducted and this article mentions them contacting state legislators for comment, I take it that is was a local ONG drill and not a Federal one. Kasich could and should personally order those conducting this training in the ONG unit to not use conservatives and second amendment supporters as terrorist in future ONG drill scenarios.

I believe that he is up for re-election in Ohio this year and remembering that he narrowly won in 2010, he can’t afford to piss off gun owners/2nd amendment supporters.


36 posted on 02/10/2014 12:18:25 PM PST by dsm69 (Boycott News Media/Hollywood Advertisers)
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To: null and void

[ Running the Nut-Job Conspiracy Theory Ping List is a little less fun and more terrifying each day. ]

I fear that in 10 years people like Crazy Alex will have a better success rate on prophecy than Nostradamus...

I watched a video from JBS that was produced in 2000, damn video sounds like something that Glenn Beck would air on a very slow day....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSDHR6-lPG0


37 posted on 02/10/2014 12:18:25 PM PST by GraceG
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38 posted on 02/10/2014 12:20:07 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: thefactor

[ This is stupid. If I was writing the OPORD for this exercise I wouldn’t get so specific about WHY the kids were poisoned. Just say that they were poisoned! Yes you need to give the enemey situation but nothing as in depth as this. Silly lefties. ]

Why the hell would they poison the children? The children are victims of the establishment and common core...

This is nothing more than control freak statist “Projection” as socialists always seek to “Break a few Eggs” to make their commie omletes.

I would say that to be more realistic they would poison the visiting federal government overseer when they made their rounds to make sure that common core was implemented and that little johnny isn’t eating lunches from home that may contain peanut butter.

Most of the so-called by them “Tea Baggers” are people who actually OBEY the Law even if they resent the law, unlike the leftie radicals who practice a “Helter Skeletor” model of behavior.

Leftist Projection is an amusing and potentially tyrannical thing. A lot of the crimes commited by Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Hitler were based off of “Projection” of their own tactics onto their own internal enemies as propaganda.


39 posted on 02/10/2014 12:25:35 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Renegade


40 posted on 02/10/2014 12:29:37 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: livius

It is interesting that - to my knowledge - the MSM NEVER referred to the OWS protesters - many of whom described themselves as “anarchists” - as “anti-government.” But people who merely want a balanced budget and oppose Obamacare are called “anti-government.” Why weren’t the people who opposed Bush’s policies called “anti-government”?


41 posted on 02/10/2014 12:33:46 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: GraceG

First, they shoot our dogs. Next, they’ll be blowing away grandma in her house robe stepping off the porch to pick up the newspaper. No, I’m not joking.


42 posted on 02/10/2014 12:35:12 PM PST by bgill
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To: grumpygresh

Who are these National Guards training to protect? Themselves?


43 posted on 02/10/2014 12:44:47 PM PST by mom.mom
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To: Renegade
They didn’t see the guy in camo 200 yds away that just blew their brains out with a .308!

Make that 500 yards in my case, and get thee to an Appleseed.

44 posted on 02/10/2014 12:46:40 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I recall a discussion with a family friend who was an LtCol in intel in the USMC back in the mid ‘90s that dealt with this issue.

According to him, there was a questionnaire put out by the puzzle palace that was meant to poll reactions from the various branches of the military to orders from on highest to do a broad based gun grab on civilians.

The general (in an overwhelming sense) consensus in the Corps, at that time, was that it’d serve only to deplete life endurance companies of some funds since no officer giving such an order would survive the day.

IIrc the quote correctly, there was a division commander appended a statement to the questionnaire with the title “Sometimes, mutiny is the only proper response”.


45 posted on 02/10/2014 12:48:33 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: GraceG

They left out the target of the Shih-tzu puppy.


46 posted on 02/10/2014 12:50:40 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: grumpygresh

This is a totally outrageous government propaganda exercise to teach troops that right leaning patriotic citizens are the enemy and should be fired upon when commanded. The extremist scenarios are used only to demonize. Heads should roll over this. We cannot ignore this.

Why not a scenario of muslims attacking some infrastructure? Hasn’t this already happened?

Whose brilliant idea was this exercise?


47 posted on 02/10/2014 12:55:34 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: grumpygresh

Maybe the Ohio Guard is practicing for realistic training——— like shooting dead a coed getting in her car 600 yards away from the scene.


48 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:30 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: grumpygresh; All

This story is up on the Drudge Report, left column, below the picture of Chuck U Schumer’s ugly mug.


49 posted on 02/10/2014 1:18:36 PM PST by dsm69 (Boycott News Media/Hollywood Advertisers)
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To: grumpygresh

The way to really put the kibosh on this crapola is to do a rewrite and republish of it in such a way as to upset the usual leftist screamers.

For example, publish that the Ohio National Guard are being trained to suppress a “negro uprising”, created by a presidential speech calling for violent revolution against “white people”. “Tens of thousands of black prisoners were released on the orders of the president, and issued Glock .40 pistols and 200 rounds of ammunition each, and told to riot.”

I’m sure a press release like that would go over *really* good with the usual suspects.


50 posted on 02/10/2014 1:20:22 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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