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Roland Martin Says Donít Compare Michael Sam to Jackie Robinson
Newsone ^ | Feb 10, 2014

Posted on 02/11/2014 9:25:00 AM PST by nickcarraway

Roland Martin took to the airwaves Monday with his “NewsOne Now” panel to discuss the coming out of football player Michael Sam. The discussion took many turns, including into Martin’s insistence that Sam’s position not be compared to that of Jackie Robinson, who broke the color barrier in baseball.

“On Twitter last night I talked about Jackie Robinson and folks are always making the comparisons,” said Martin. “I’m very clear: Jackie Robinson was the first black player. He came into the league when racism…you can’t even remotely compare it. Sam is potentially coming into the NFL with a support system, folks are backing it. You didn’t have any blacks in major league baseball, no front offices. They were cussin’, dogging, trying to kill Jackie Robinson from day one.”

Panelist Hughey Newsome agreed that the country has come a long way in terms of LGBT acceptance and supposed that the NFL is “ready” for an openly gay player but fellow panelist Steve Clemons pushed back, offering that not all Americans have come as far.

“That problem still is out there in the Unites States, so I don’t want to minimize it,” said Clemons. “We’re further along but we’re further along in urban centers. We’re not further along out in middle America.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: gay

1 posted on 02/11/2014 9:25:00 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

....wonder what team is going to go after a mediocre player?..with all the baggage the media will throw on it....oh wait..THE JETS like baggage


2 posted on 02/11/2014 9:28:21 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: nickcarraway

It’s the opposite.

This guy is now guaranteed to make a team. No on will want to cut him either.

It’s a brilliant move for a marginal player.


3 posted on 02/11/2014 9:28:28 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: nickcarraway

“That problem still is out there in the Unites States, so I don’t want to minimize it,” said Clemons. “We’re further along but we’re further along in urban centers. We’re not further along out in middle America.”

That’s because middle America is full of bible believing Christians that won’t change their beliefs due to “popular opinion.” What is popular, isn’t always right.


4 posted on 02/11/2014 9:32:51 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: nickcarraway

Jackie Robinson was instantly among the best players in the NL on his arrival in the majors. He was selected by the Dodgers from a short-list of “can’t miss” players.

Michael Sam is a prospective mid-round draft pick (#4 according to reports). Fourth-round Picks are expected to make their squads, but may not contribute right away.

Comparing sexual orientation to race is problematic. But to compare a star player with a middling prospect is also stretching things a bit.


5 posted on 02/11/2014 9:34:04 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: nickcarraway

Advice to gays, we really don’t give a smelly Obama about what you put in your Obamahole.

Just get a room and STFU.


6 posted on 02/11/2014 9:35:03 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: nickcarraway

All his assertions aside, and putting aside that awful “42” movie, which was produced for this homosexual agenda, and his family is shameful for allowing it, Jackie Robinson was a victim.

Being black or white or any other race is not a temptation we are either born with or develop, to be overcome, like alcoholism, drug dependency or homosexuality.

There is nothing inherently valuable either good nor bad about one’s race God gives them.

The truth is that homosexual behavior is a choice, and it is a destructive choice.

Young pre adolescent boys, pro football fans, should not have to hear about this. It is abusive. They cannot deal with sex ed before adolescence, and they certainly cannot deal with learning the perversion of sex, at a young age.

That is true, and it will come out now or much later, but this is very very wrong.

This player grew up in a very bad environment. He is being used. He doesn’t know what the heck he’s doing, but neither does anyone involved in this.


7 posted on 02/11/2014 9:35:18 AM PST by stanne
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To: ifinnegan

“It’s a brilliant move for a marginal player.”

Not sure about that. Teams can pass on drafting him without too much attention. Unless the Obama administration makes a new rule stating each team, every time their turn comes up, must provide a written justification for not drafting Sam.

The next story here is going to be MSM asking why X team “passed on drafting Sam” and chose another player who is “on paper not better than Sam.”


8 posted on 02/11/2014 9:37:13 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh boo hoo!

Nobody knows the trouble I’ve seen...


9 posted on 02/11/2014 9:38:44 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: ifinnegan
It’s a brilliant move for a marginal player.

Yep. Takes all performance expectations off.

If he does well, then he's a "Historical Figure who transcended the boundaries of" etc etc etc.....

If he falls on his face (more likely, as he's a mid-draft selection at best from what I've read), then it's because everyone in the NFL hates gays.

IMO, and with the caveat that I've never been an NFL coach, my guess is that NFL teams would give their right arms for a superstar DE, and to heck with who they slept with after the game. It's like the women who periodically try out as kickers.....find one who can hit a 50-yarder with consistency, and coaches will stampede to sign them...to heck with gender.

Nope, with this announcement, this guy changed the discussion from his skillset to who he's boinking. Smart move, especially for someone who's not a first or second round pick, and who would normally need to work extra hard just to make the cut.

10 posted on 02/11/2014 9:39:13 AM PST by wbill
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To: nickcarraway

I have a friend at work who is quite a bit younger than me, he is a real sports geek. He is also largely apolitical. He also hates (HATES) Tim Tebow (as a football player). Yet he asked me a brilliant question. Why is Sam regarded as some sort of hero because of his (let’s be honest) sexual perversion, while Time Tebow was derided for his strong support of the teachings of Jesus Christ? Who is the hero here, he asked? Who is the better role model?


11 posted on 02/11/2014 9:39:48 AM PST by fhayek
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To: nickcarraway

I think the quick backpedaling is funny. Yesterday Sam was brave and a hero. But then some try to compare him to Jackie Robinson and the libs heads start exploding. The homosexuals tried to push their cause beyond the acceptable line.


12 posted on 02/11/2014 9:43:55 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: nickcarraway

Comparing Michael Sam to Jackie Robinson is an insult to Jackie Robinson in particular and Baseball in general.


13 posted on 02/11/2014 9:44:46 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: BlueStateRightist
Roger Gooddell can force a team to take him. Besides he has pet teams he could force to draft in the first round or something.

Remember, the Pittsburgh Steelers owners believe they are the greatest humanitarians in the history of the world. They would love to draft him. Or Pete Carroll to stick it to conservatives. Etc.

14 posted on 02/11/2014 9:45:28 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
What strikes me most is what Sam had to say about himself.

"I'm a gay man. That's who I am."

Really? That's it? Where he puts his junk defines him as an individual?

I think this guy has more gifts from his Creator than he realizes. And defining himself by where he puts his junk does not show the proper respect and praise for He who created him.

Michael Sam is not the first gay person I've heard say this. They define themselves as individuals by what gender they are attracted to. They sell themselves short in so many ways when they do that and they reveal themselves to be about as deep as a puddle after a sun shower.

15 posted on 02/11/2014 9:47:02 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: ifinnegan
This guy is now guaranteed to make a team.

The NFL will make sure of this one way or the other.

16 posted on 02/11/2014 9:47:48 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: nickcarraway

I used to love Roland Martin’s fishing show.


17 posted on 02/11/2014 9:49:12 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: BlueStateRightist
Teams can pass on drafting him without too much attention.

True. But Bob Kraft has already weighed in and said he doesn't care about ethnicity, race or gender preference. As long as a player is about Team and Winning, he doesn't care. Gad, I hope NE doesn't draft him.

18 posted on 02/11/2014 9:50:32 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: nickcarraway

Loose end. Goes Poooof if tackled.


19 posted on 02/11/2014 9:50:36 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

That’s the conundrum with this. A team could score brownie points with the left by drafting him but what next? A team can’t cut, bench, or trade him without suffering a severe backlash. His price tag is too high.


20 posted on 02/11/2014 9:58:15 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: nickcarraway

21 posted on 02/11/2014 9:59:54 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: ifinnegan
It’s a brilliant move for a marginal player.

I said exactly the same thing to a friend of mine yesterday and he didn't believe me. I said that if Sam isn't drafted high, his backers will scream 'homophobia'. If he gets cut, they'll scream the same.

22 posted on 02/11/2014 10:00:05 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: nickcarraway

Question:

Does he think that his cultural popsition as a black man is no longer relevant so that he needs to announce his “love of buggery”?

Really, will Blacks across America start crying “black homophobia” when they don’t get what is expected?

Doubling down on sodomy can be...ummm...painful?


23 posted on 02/11/2014 10:03:40 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: nickcarraway

Say he makes a team and plays. I wonder what’s gonna happen when somebody injures him with a cheap shot, helmet to helmet or some kinda other illegal move. Will there be charges leveled, maybe even in the criminal justice system? Wouldn’t surprise me, esp if the player doing the hitting isn’t shy about the despicable behavior of these men.

Be careful NFL, you just might go further down the already well traveled road to your ultimate destruction. Nobody who loves their children will be watching pro football if this is what is on there being openly discussed. Who the heck wants to talk about this stuff with their curious 7 yo child?


24 posted on 02/11/2014 10:05:09 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
A team can’t cut, bench, or trade him without suffering a severe backlash. His price tag is too high.

Ah, but woe to the player and the team that injures him in the course of play!
25 posted on 02/11/2014 10:09:09 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("We are not sluts."--Sandra Fluke)
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To: nickcarraway

I’ll be on the show tomorrow morning for the panel discussion.


26 posted on 02/11/2014 10:11:09 AM PST by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Either way he will be set to make a lot of money and fame.
If he makes the team, every personal foul against him will be labeled as ‘hate foul’ by some. I wouldn’t be surprised if commissioner comes up with the new rules for this ‘hate foul’.


27 posted on 02/11/2014 10:14:48 AM PST by Henderson (Occupy your own home.)
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To: nickcarraway

I would not compare him to anyone. He is his own special kind of stupid..........


28 posted on 02/11/2014 10:33:29 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: nickcarraway

“That problem still is out there in the Unites States, so I don’t want to minimize it,” said Clemons.

You are correct. There are still Christians and other Americans that has some decency and common sense and morals. So homosexuals still have a problem besides their mental illness............


29 posted on 02/11/2014 10:35:42 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: nickcarraway

I AM SAM. MICHAEL SAM.

That Michael Sam! That Michael Sam! I do not like that Michael Sam!

You do not like gay guys named Sam?

I do not like that Michael Sam.
I do not like gay guys named Sam.

Would you like them here or there?

I would not like them here or there.
I would not like them anywhere.
I do not like gay guys named Sam. I do not like him, Michael Sam.

Would you watch him play on grass? Would you watch him wag his ___?

I do not like him
On the grass.
I do not want to
See his ___.
I do not like him
Here or there.
I do not like him anywhere.
I do not like gay guys named Sam. I do not like him, Michael Sam.

Would you watch him from a box? Would you watch him throw some blocks?

Not from a box.
Not throwing blocks.
Not on the grass.
Not see his ___.
I would not like him here or there. I would not like him anywhere.
I do not like gay guys named Sam. I do not like him, Michael Sam.

Would you? Could you? Watch hi...M sack?
Watch him! Watch him! Give some smack!

I would not, could not, watch him sack.
I would not watch him give some smack.

You may like him. You will see. You may like him running free!

I would not like him running free.
Listen, listen! Let me be!

I do not like watching his sacks.
I do not like him giving smacks.
I do not like him on the grass.
I do not like him or his ___.
I do not like him here or there.
I do not like him anywhere. I do not like gay guys named Sam.

I would not watch him from a box.
I would not watch him throwing blocks.
I would not watch him here or there.
I would not watch him anywhere.
I would not watch gay guys named Sam.
I would not watch him, Michael Sam.

You may like him.
You will see.
You may like him on your team.

I would not, could not on my team.
He would not fit in our scheme.

You do not like gay guys named Sam?

I do not like him, Michael Sam.

You do not like him, SO you say.
Watch him, watch him and you may.
Watch him and you WILL I say.

If you will just let me be, I will watch him.
You will see.

[... After some discussion with the NFL League Office & Sponsors ...]

Say! I like gay guys named Sam!
I do! I like him, Michael Sam!

And I will watch him from a box!
And I will watch him throwing blocks!
And I will watch him make a sack!
And I will watch him giving smack!
And I will watch him on the grass!
And I will watch him move his ___!
And I will watch him here or there
Say! I will watch him anywhere!

I do so like gay guys named Sam!
Thank you, thank you, Michael Sam!


30 posted on 02/11/2014 11:00:14 AM PST by mikrofon (Rest easy, Dr. Seuss...)
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To: nickcarraway

Seems fair to assume that Jackie Robinson just wanted to play baseball. Wonder what is that Sam wants?


31 posted on 02/11/2014 11:14:42 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Da Coyote
Michael Sam's sexual deviancy has nothing to do with football or the NFL, unless he's using the league as his dating service. Since when does a potential employer need to know about our sex lives? I guess I don't understand why people have to identify themselves by the sex they have. Hello, I'm Michael Sam and I take it in the can. Whatever.
32 posted on 02/11/2014 11:23:23 AM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: tuffydoodle

Roger that. Morality ain’t determined by the majority. Morality is determined by the unchanging Almighty God.


33 posted on 02/11/2014 11:33:00 AM PST by afsnco
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To: nickcarraway

NFL ISSUING SOAP ON A ROPE


34 posted on 02/11/2014 12:17:37 PM PST by zzwhale
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To: Trueblackman

What channel is/was it on?


35 posted on 02/13/2014 6:49:01 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Doogle
THE JETS like baggage.

Far from the best joke I've seen on FR, to put it politely.

36 posted on 02/14/2014 1:18:58 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: nickcarraway; All

Pardon my ignorance on this, but who is Roland Martin?


37 posted on 02/14/2014 1:20:28 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Point of order sir...... who pray tell is Jack Robinson?


38 posted on 02/14/2014 1:27:55 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I wondered when he put down the rod and took up the pen.


39 posted on 02/14/2014 1:28:41 PM PST by deport
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To: nickcarraway; henkster; dfwgator; doug from upland; ml/nj; Sarah Barracuda; WhiskeyX; ...

FYI, Larry Elder expressed a similar similar opinion regarding the foolishness of comparing Sam to Robinson.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/michael-sam-another-jackie-robinson-spare-me/


40 posted on 02/14/2014 1:40:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: bert
...who pray tell is Jack Robinson?

The first black major league baseball player in the modern area.

41 posted on 02/14/2014 1:46:21 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Excellent post!!!


42 posted on 02/14/2014 1:48:50 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Tallguy
Jackie Robinson was instantly among the best players in the NL on his arrival in the majors. He was selected by the Dodgers from a short-list of “can’t miss” players.

There is, nor was there, ever a "can't miss" player. Actually, Robinson was a relatively low-profile player in the Negro Leagues and had only been playing professionally a relatively short time (no more than a year), when the Dodgers decided to sign him as the first black player in modern "organized baseball." They made him prove himself by playing at the highest minor league level with their Montreal farm team in the International League for one year, which he did, exceeding expectations. His selection as the first black player over fellow Negro League players was not based on pure baseball skills, but on his education, experience, and personality as well.

43 posted on 02/14/2014 2:04:14 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Excellent post!!!

Very GLAAD that someone else gets it.

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44 posted on 02/14/2014 3:03:17 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: ifinnegan

Someone brought this up yesterday....why would anyone draft a player it will be impossible to cut without massive controversy?


45 posted on 02/14/2014 3:13:52 PM PST by grania
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To: grania

Maybe the owners of the Pittsburgh Steelers? They think they are the holiest people on earth, better than anyone else.


46 posted on 02/14/2014 3:18:52 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: grania; Bloody Sam Roberts; WhiskeyX; Oliviaforever; ml/nj; Sarah Barracuda; dfwgator; ...
Someone brought this up yesterday....why would anyone draft a player it will be impossible to cut without massive controversy?

Of course the NFL teams cut players and get new ones just about every day of the week. Rosters are very unstable. So if Sam (or any other player) is drafted by some NFL team, regardless of what round, and is signed, he can be cut without future pay unless his contract specifically prohibits it.

But then you have these leftist commentators who would be quick to charge "discrimination" if that actually happened, despite the fact that it happens in the vast majority of instances to heterosexual players. You could see a lawsuit in this situation, and you can bet that although Sam's case would probably have no legal merit, the politically correct NFL would want to settle the suit ASAP to avoid prolonged negative publicity from their lefty media friends.

47 posted on 02/14/2014 5:50:32 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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