Skip to comments.Boehner might not have the votes for a “clean” debt-ceiling hike either
Posted on 02/11/2014 10:33:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Yet. He might not have the votes yet. They’re not going to hit the ceiling with an election eight months away.
But the fact that the Speaker himself, who rarely votes, feels he needs to lead by example this time shows you how reluctant the rest of the caucus is.
Boehner says he has spoken with Pelosi about need for D votes, needs to find 18 R votes to help pass clean
— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 11, 2014
Boehner will vote for clean hike, Cole says it'll be tough to get 17 more Rs, but thinks GOP can get there…
— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 11, 2014
Why didn’t Plan B, repealing the reduced COLA adjustment to military pensions enacted under Paul Ryan’s budget, unite the caucus? Everyone can get behind more money for the troops, no? Roll Call:
Republican leaders were caught between White House and Democratic demands for a clean hike and Republican conservatives who didnt want to vote for any hike, and still others who were angry that they would have to choose whether to vote to support the troops or vote against raising the debt limit. Other Republicans complained that the plan would effectively increase spending for nine years only to cut it in the tenth year by extending part of the sequester when many wanted more cuts sooner.
Believe it or not, according to NBC, there were no more than 40-50 Republican votes for Plan B. I think Conn Carroll’s right: Ultimately, Republicans couldn’t stomach the idea that their big debt-ceiling gambit had now produced as a core “demand” a measure that would actually increase spending. It’s not about shafting the troops; the COLA adjustment will be repealed in a separate bill before long. It was the realization that their debt-limit brinksmanship, which has grown increasingly hollow ever since the first standoff in 2011, had now reached the point of farce, with the party holding out for more money for government just so that it could claim some sort of victory if Obama and Reid caved. The GOP’s going to get what it wants eventually on military pensions and on Keystone approval irrespective of what happens with the debt ceiling, in which case, why treat them as “demands” at all? It’s a charade. If the party’s resolved not to risk a ferocious public backlash by driving a hard bargain on a meaningful proposal to cut spending and then standing firm as the debt limit is reached, why bother demanding anything? Just let Democrats and a few dozen fidgety centrist Republicans pass a clean hike and be done with it.
Candidly, though, I still don’t understand why they couldn’t get to 218 for repealing ObamaCare’s “risk corridor,” i.e. bailout, provisions. Yeah, the insurance industry was lobbying hard against it behind the scenes. So what? Democrats would have blocked it anyway. Even in the left’s worst-case scenario, where it passed both chambers of Congress, Obama would have vetoed it. Why not put him, Reid, and all those vulnerable red-state Democrats in the Senate who would have had to vote on it on the spot by passing it in the House? If you’re a Republican who’s vowed never to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances, you could have rested assured that this bill would fail while causing some pain for your opponents. And if you’re troubled by the fact that CBO said the “risk corridor” is on track to raise revenue for Uncle Sam, not lose it, you could have tweaked the bill so that it made the “risk corridor” budget-neutral instead of repealing it wholesale. It would have been a useful bludgeon this fall, especially if CBO’s projections turned out to be wrong. Alas.
Exit question: Is this the end of Republican debt-ceiling brinksmanship, once and for all? In theory, the leadership might feel bolder next year after the midterms have passed; in practice, there’s simply no reason to believe that Boehner or McConnell will ever allow Treasury to hit the ceiling. They’ll always swallow hard and let Democrats pass a clean debt-limit hike instead. Better to abandon this method of negotiation than keep farking that chicken with phony standoffs whose outcome is a fait accompli.
Golly gee, spending what we take in would certainly united the caucus. Then there would be no need for a debt limit increase!
But that makes sense, and is conservative, so it will be ignored.
Good. It’s not referred to as a ceiling for nothing.
The Dems will pass it on their own.
Let them own the debt - they already do.
This is an admission the Boehner has lost his caucus and Pelosi is running the House. Boehner actually intends to pass this with the full 'Rat caucus, delivered by Pelosi, and a rump of sufficient RINOs to make up a majority. Watch for those RINOs; they're the ones that most need primary extermination [note to NSA: in the electoral sense, I mean. In the electoral sense.]
Why don’t you guys cut something out of the budget that’s not really important - you know, something like military pensions, or tricare, or anything that supposed to repay those who sacrificed for our country? If you find it immoral or outrageous, just Ryan or Murray a call, they’ll help you...
Why continue giving the big spenders bigger credit limits to squander? Cut the damned spending already!!
Cut the taxes!! Cut the regulations!! Cut the government!!
Get our free economy going again. Set our people free and allow them to produce and prosper. Revenues will increase automatically.
Now when “clean” is used, we know it means “to continue to spend exorbitant amounts of money.”
Pelosi will double cross Johnny Boy and leave him ass out in the blizzard without enough votes to pass the bill.
Whenever the rare opportunity to reduce the size of the Spendaholic Federal Government approaches a decision point, the unchallenged and therefore invincible Obamanation Congressional Format, ( OCF ), unfolds flawlessly as follows:
* Permissive, weak and cowardly Speaker Doormat Boehner proclaims that THIS time he will protect and defend the US Constitution;
* Assistant Doormat Cantor will nod like the bobble head lap dog that he is;
* Cave-In, Con-Artist Ryan will make a side deal with his Pelosi Pals;
* Rubberstamp Reid will then approve whatever the Pelosi Pals have shamed Ryan into ramming through the House;
* Lazy, Anti-Work Obama will say The OCF worked again! That was sooooo EASY!
* The Left Stream Media will gently boo Boehner, while mildly applauding his Bipartisan Leadership;
* Doormat Boehner will then slink off sobbing, relieved that he dodged another major tongue-lashing from the Left Stream Media;
* Karl Rove will go on FOX and say The Moderate House Republicans are showing that they are willing to work with Obama;
* Krauthammer will go on FOX and say Unbelievable;
* The Conservative voters will say:
*** Yup, permissive RINOs are no match for the Commies, Socialists and Democrats in Congress.
*** We are doomed to feel sorry for ourselves, again.
*** What shall we do?
*** Sigh - - - - .
BTW, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan are all heavily favored to win re-election to their well-worn House seats in 2014 - - - - .
The voters in Boehners Ohio House District vote Boehner into the US House, and the US House Members vote to choose THEIR Speaker.
Weak, cowardly, permissive Doormat Boehner thus fairly represents our weak, cowardly, permissive, doormat RINOs.
The voters in Ohio are simply overjoyed that the US House RINO Members have loyally continued to keep in place a weak, cowardly, permissive, doormat Speaker who has ALWAYS caved in to Obama.
Boehners Speakership is safe, as our House RINOs just love to Cave In to Commies, Socialists, Democrats, and especially to Obama.
Oops, I feel a Boehner coming on! Please pass the Kleenex! Sob!
So does that mean that Pelosi gets to write the bill that Obama signs again?
I hope and pray that this worthless sack of crap will not get enough votes to have another term as a member of the House.
Doesn’t this effectively mean that Boehner is abandoning the Hastert Provision to aid the Democrat’s continued bankrupting of America? I understood that nothing would (should) be brought up for vote that doesn’t have the support of the majority of the Republicans in the House.
Yup, and the plan for immigration too.
A lot of Republicans want to shut down the government over an issue that is a political loser.
Like it or not - we have to pay our debts. In the current political climate, a Democratic-controlled Senate won’t reduce spending.
This is one fight conservatives should want to avoid. A fight one can’t win is pointless, indeed.
The House RINO have given up again, everything seems to be in place now - - - - .
We even have Doormat Boehner in place as the whiney, wimpy, Whimper-Speaker!
FORWARD!, into the abyss of Obamanation!
Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo- Ho!
Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo- Ho!
Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo- Ho!
The Rats will save him again. All he has to do is break his “majority of the majority” pledge. Again.
I have a hunnert dollar bill here, anybody want to bet against me?
The only bet I’d make on Boehner is on his skin tone being darker than Baraq’s....
I think he will not find the votes either.
Reason? because the Dems are smart enough to know that if does not pass, the GOP will get the blame for the shutdown.
All Boehner has done is expose weakness to the libs.
bTW, how is this guy leader if the majority he is supposed to lead disagree with him?
Some of us are not convinced it is a political loser, if we did not have a cadre of Republicans who are looking for any excuse to fold.
This is one fight conservatives should want to avoid. A fight one cant win is pointless, indeed.
If not now when, if not here where?
p.s. I think this should have been done over the budget not the debt ceiling.
We didn’t give Boner power to put our children more in debt, but that’s what he’s doing.
Boner must go!
This isn’t paying our debts. This is increasing our debt.
Then they should come out and say it instead of: we’ll fight the debt limit, no we’ll fight the budget, no we’ll fight the debt limit, ad naseum...
They are all liars, thiefs, cheats, and power mongers only out for themselves - they don’t have the nads to be honest about anything and they sure as hell don’t represent their constituents or states. They are in it for themselves and their keepers who pay them on the side. They can all go to Hell.
Oh and not moving the ceiling doesn’t default on the debt. It just prevents them from overspending more than they were already allowed to overspend.
It’s simple. Maintain the current debt level. No increases for 5 years.
Precisely. And -- to me, anyway -- that is good news.
If Boehner has to scramble to find even 18 GOP votes, it means the vast majority of the caucus is as fed up with the leadership as we are.
Ergo, his Speakership hangs by a thread -- and if he dares make a move to pass Immigration "Reform" by the same device, he's dead meat.
Effectively, Boehner is finished -- it's only a matter of time until the opposition coalesces around a replacement.
I can summarize: the GOP faction of the uniparty will always vote to increase government spending. Always.
Wow. And if she does it’ll be the first time that I’ve ever agreed with her on anything.
LIEberals ALWAYS doublecross the Republicans!
Always have, always will.
Definition of insanity applies here!
Boehner, Cantor and Ryan all need to have primaries. They should not be re-elected. Force the spineless GOP to find new leaders.