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Boehner might not have the votes for a “clean” debt-ceiling hike either
Hotair ^ | 02/11/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 02/11/2014 10:33:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Yet. He might not have the votes yet. They’re not going to hit the ceiling with an election eight months away.

But the fact that the Speaker himself, who rarely votes, feels he needs to lead by example this time shows you how reluctant the rest of the caucus is.

Boehner says he has spoken with Pelosi about need for D votes, needs to find 18 R votes to help pass clean

— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 11, 2014

Boehner will vote for clean hike, Cole says it'll be tough to get 17 more Rs, but thinks GOP can get there…

— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 11, 2014

Why didn’t Plan B, repealing the reduced COLA adjustment to military pensions enacted under Paul Ryan’s budget, unite the caucus? Everyone can get behind more money for the troops, no? Roll Call:

Republican leaders were caught between White House and Democratic demands for a clean hike and Republican conservatives who didn’t want to vote for any hike, and still others who were angry that they would have to choose whether to vote to support the troops or vote against raising the debt limit. Other Republicans complained that the plan would effectively increase spending for nine years only to cut it in the tenth year by extending part of the sequester — when many wanted more cuts sooner.

Believe it or not, according to NBC, there were no more than 40-50 Republican votes for Plan B. I think Conn Carroll’s right: Ultimately, Republicans couldn’t stomach the idea that their big debt-ceiling gambit had now produced as a core “demand” a measure that would actually increase spending. It’s not about shafting the troops; the COLA adjustment will be repealed in a separate bill before long. It was the realization that their debt-limit brinksmanship, which has grown increasingly hollow ever since the first standoff in 2011, had now reached the point of farce, with the party holding out for more money for government just so that it could claim some sort of victory if Obama and Reid caved. The GOP’s going to get what it wants eventually on military pensions and on Keystone approval irrespective of what happens with the debt ceiling, in which case, why treat them as “demands” at all? It’s a charade. If the party’s resolved not to risk a ferocious public backlash by driving a hard bargain on a meaningful proposal to cut spending and then standing firm as the debt limit is reached, why bother demanding anything? Just let Democrats and a few dozen fidgety centrist Republicans pass a clean hike and be done with it.

Candidly, though, I still don’t understand why they couldn’t get to 218 for repealing ObamaCare’s “risk corridor,” i.e. bailout, provisions. Yeah, the insurance industry was lobbying hard against it behind the scenes. So what? Democrats would have blocked it anyway. Even in the left’s worst-case scenario, where it passed both chambers of Congress, Obama would have vetoed it. Why not put him, Reid, and all those vulnerable red-state Democrats in the Senate who would have had to vote on it on the spot by passing it in the House? If you’re a Republican who’s vowed never to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances, you could have rested assured that this bill would fail while causing some pain for your opponents. And if you’re troubled by the fact that CBO said the “risk corridor” is on track to raise revenue for Uncle Sam, not lose it, you could have tweaked the bill so that it made the “risk corridor” budget-neutral instead of repealing it wholesale. It would have been a useful bludgeon this fall, especially if CBO’s projections turned out to be wrong. Alas.

Exit question: Is this the end of Republican debt-ceiling brinksmanship, once and for all? In theory, the leadership might feel bolder next year after the midterms have passed; in practice, there’s simply no reason to believe that Boehner or McConnell will ever allow Treasury to hit the ceiling. They’ll always swallow hard and let Democrats pass a clean debt-limit hike instead. Better to abandon this method of negotiation than keep farking that chicken with phony standoffs whose outcome is a fait accompli.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: congress; debt; debtceiling; johnboehner; ohio; randsconcerntrolls

1 posted on 02/11/2014 10:33:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ruh Roh


2 posted on 02/11/2014 10:35:44 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: SeekAndFind
stinkin' P.O.$...wash it off your shoe..
& the ballot, vote Eric Gurr.

3 posted on 02/11/2014 10:37:03 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: SeekAndFind

Golly gee, spending what we take in would certainly united the caucus. Then there would be no need for a debt limit increase!

But that makes sense, and is conservative, so it will be ignored.


4 posted on 02/11/2014 10:37:27 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind

Good. It’s not referred to as a ceiling for nothing.


5 posted on 02/11/2014 10:37:46 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just have the Republicans all vote "Present."

The Dems will pass it on their own.

Let them own the debt - they already do.

6 posted on 02/11/2014 10:37:51 AM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: SeekAndFind
Boehner says he has spoken with Pelosi about need for D votes, needs to find 18 R votes to help pass clean

This is an admission the Boehner has lost his caucus and Pelosi is running the House. Boehner actually intends to pass this with the full 'Rat caucus, delivered by Pelosi, and a rump of sufficient RINOs to make up a majority. Watch for those RINOs; they're the ones that most need primary extermination [note to NSA: in the electoral sense, I mean. In the electoral sense.]

7 posted on 02/11/2014 10:41:06 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t you guys cut something out of the budget that’s not really important - you know, something like military pensions, or tricare, or anything that supposed to repay those who sacrificed for our country? If you find it immoral or outrageous, just Ryan or Murray a call, they’ll help you...


8 posted on 02/11/2014 10:41:13 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why continue giving the big spenders bigger credit limits to squander? Cut the damned spending already!!

Cut the taxes!! Cut the regulations!! Cut the government!!

Get our free economy going again. Set our people free and allow them to produce and prosper. Revenues will increase automatically.


9 posted on 02/11/2014 10:41:33 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now when “clean” is used, we know it means “to continue to spend exorbitant amounts of money.”


10 posted on 02/11/2014 10:42:01 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: showme_the_Glory

Pelosi will double cross Johnny Boy and leave him ass out in the blizzard without enough votes to pass the bill.


11 posted on 02/11/2014 10:44:39 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
Boehner might not have the votes for a “clean” debt-ceiling hike either


12 posted on 02/11/2014 10:44:51 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Colorado: the Maryland of the Mountain West)
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To: eCSMaster; All
Just have the Republicans all vote "Present."
The Dems will pass it on their own.
that's right; make 'em vote on it, like pResident 0'Dungo's DeathCARE
and frankly all the Socialism since the LBJ's Marxism/RMN (OSHA/EPA) era...
(sundown them all)

13 posted on 02/11/2014 10:47:04 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Whenever the rare opportunity to reduce the size of the Spendaholic Federal Government approaches a decision point, the unchallenged and therefore invincible Obamanation Congressional Format, ( OCF ), unfolds flawlessly as follows:

* Permissive, weak and cowardly Speaker “Doormat” Boehner proclaims that THIS time he will protect and defend the US Constitution;
* “Assistant Doormat” Cantor will nod like the bobble head lap dog that he is;
* Cave-In, Con-Artist Ryan will make a side deal with his Pelosi Pals;
* “Rubberstamp” Reid will then approve whatever the Pelosi Pals have shamed Ryan into ramming through the House;
* Lazy, Anti-Work Obama will say “The OCF worked again! That was sooooo EASY!”
* The Left Stream Media will gently boo Boehner, while mildly applauding his “Bipartisan” Leadership;
* “Doormat” Boehner will then slink off sobbing, relieved that he dodged another major tongue-lashing from the Left Stream Media;
* Karl Rove will go on FOX and say “The Moderate House Republicans are showing that they are willing to work with Obama;”
* Krauthammer will go on FOX and say “Unbelievable;”
* The Conservative voters will say:
*** “Yup, permissive RINOs are no match for the Commies, Socialists and Democrats in Congress.
*** We are doomed to feel sorry for ourselves, again.
*** What shall we do?
*** Sigh - - - - .”

BTW, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan are all heavily favored to win re-election to their well-worn House seats in 2014 - - - - .

_____________

The voters in Boehner’s Ohio House District vote Boehner into the US House, and the US House Members vote to choose THEIR Speaker.

Weak, cowardly, permissive “Doormat” Boehner thus fairly represents our weak, cowardly, permissive, doormat RINOs.

The voters in Ohio are simply overjoyed that the US House RINO Members have loyally continued to keep in place a weak, cowardly, permissive, doormat Speaker who has ALWAYS caved in to Obama.

Boehner’s Speakership is safe, as our House RINOs just love to Cave In to Commies, Socialists, Democrats, and especially to Obama.

Oops, I feel a “Boehner” coming on! Please pass the Kleenex! Sob!


14 posted on 02/11/2014 10:50:12 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So does that mean that Pelosi gets to write the bill that Obama signs again?


15 posted on 02/11/2014 11:01:09 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope and pray that this worthless sack of crap will not get enough votes to have another term as a member of the House.


16 posted on 02/11/2014 11:14:03 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t this effectively mean that Boehner is abandoning the Hastert Provision to aid the Democrat’s continued bankrupting of America? I understood that nothing would (should) be brought up for vote that doesn’t have the support of the majority of the Republicans in the House.


17 posted on 02/11/2014 11:15:39 AM PST by PTBAA
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18 posted on 02/11/2014 11:16:26 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Yup, and the plan for immigration too.


19 posted on 02/11/2014 11:16:32 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of Republicans want to shut down the government over an issue that is a political loser.

Like it or not - we have to pay our debts. In the current political climate, a Democratic-controlled Senate won’t reduce spending.

This is one fight conservatives should want to avoid. A fight one can’t win is pointless, indeed.


20 posted on 02/11/2014 11:55:55 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

The House RINO have given up again, ——everything seems to be in place now - - - - .

We even have “Doormat” Boehner in place as the whiney, wimpy, Whimper-Speaker!

FORWARD!, into the abyss of Obamanation!

Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo-— Ho!
Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo-— Ho!
Yo-Dee-Ho! Yo-— Ho!


21 posted on 02/11/2014 12:01:32 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Rats will save him again. All he has to do is break his “majority of the majority” pledge. Again.

I have a hunnert dollar bill here, anybody want to bet against me?


22 posted on 02/11/2014 12:22:05 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

The only bet I’d make on Boehner is on his skin tone being darker than Baraq’s....


23 posted on 02/11/2014 12:25:18 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: SeekAndFind

BOEHNER Must be defeated!:

http://gurrforcongress.com/

http://jdwinteregg.com/


24 posted on 02/11/2014 12:34:19 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think he will not find the votes either.
Reason? because the Dems are smart enough to know that if does not pass, the GOP will get the blame for the shutdown.

All Boehner has done is expose weakness to the libs.

bTW, how is this guy leader if the majority he is supposed to lead disagree with him?


25 posted on 02/11/2014 12:42:21 PM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: goldstategop
A lot of Republicans want to shut down the government over an issue that is a political loser.

Some of us are not convinced it is a political loser, if we did not have a cadre of Republicans who are looking for any excuse to fold.

This is one fight conservatives should want to avoid. A fight one can’t win is pointless, indeed.

If not now when, if not here where?
p.s. I think this should have been done over the budget not the debt ceiling.

26 posted on 02/11/2014 12:46:41 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We didn’t give Boner power to put our children more in debt, but that’s what he’s doing.

Boner must go!


27 posted on 02/11/2014 1:29:06 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: goldstategop

This isn’t paying our debts. This is increasing our debt.


28 posted on 02/11/2014 1:30:17 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: goldstategop

Then they should come out and say it instead of: we’ll fight the debt limit, no we’ll fight the budget, no we’ll fight the debt limit, ad naseum...

They are all liars, thiefs, cheats, and power mongers only out for themselves - they don’t have the nads to be honest about anything and they sure as hell don’t represent their constituents or states. They are in it for themselves and their keepers who pay them on the side. They can all go to Hell.

Oh and not moving the ceiling doesn’t default on the debt. It just prevents them from overspending more than they were already allowed to overspend.


29 posted on 02/11/2014 1:37:13 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

It’s simple. Maintain the current debt level. No increases for 5 years.


30 posted on 02/11/2014 1:48:35 PM PST by refermech
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To: Paine in the Neck
This is an admission the Boehner has lost his caucus and Pelosi is running the House.

Precisely. And -- to me, anyway -- that is good news.

If Boehner has to scramble to find even 18 GOP votes, it means the vast majority of the caucus is as fed up with the leadership as we are.

Ergo, his Speakership hangs by a thread -- and if he dares make a move to pass Immigration "Reform" by the same device, he's dead meat.

Effectively, Boehner is finished -- it's only a matter of time until the opposition coalesces around a replacement.

31 posted on 02/11/2014 1:50:50 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can summarize: the GOP faction of the uniparty will always vote to increase government spending. Always.


32 posted on 02/11/2014 1:53:19 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: lodi90

Wow. And if she does it’ll be the first time that I’ve ever agreed with her on anything.


33 posted on 02/11/2014 1:55:43 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: lodi90

LIEberals ALWAYS doublecross the Republicans!

Always have, always will.

Definition of insanity applies here!


34 posted on 02/11/2014 3:24:45 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Graewoulf

Boehner, Cantor and Ryan all need to have primaries. They should not be re-elected. Force the spineless GOP to find new leaders.


35 posted on 02/11/2014 8:09:32 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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