Skip to comments.Sniper Ammunition: Homeland Security Revives The Purchases
Posted on 02/11/2014 7:02:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
"My first shot at a hog with an AMAX out of the 300 SAUM was spectacular. Hit in the neck at 258 yards and there was only a little piece of fur holding the body together at that point. Good terminal performance. - Mark Swabs appraisal of the Hornady .308 AMAX sniper ammunition round
Despite rising unemployment, record number of people on public assistance, the US Government via the Department of Homeland Securitys Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) has placed a solicitation for more sniper ammo, in this order they are requesting 141,160 rounds of ammunition (7,058 boxes) of Hornady .308 Winchester 168gr A-MAX TAP Ammunition.Sniper Ammunition 250 Sniper Ammunition: Homeland Security Revives The Purchases
This is not their first foray into purchasing sniper ammunition. In September 2012, we reported DHSs intent to purchase 176,000 rounds of the .308 caliber 168 grain ammunition. And surprisingly, they abruptly cancelled the solicitation.
There has been no further requests for the ammunition until recently.
What makes the .308 ammunition so deadly is the long range capability of the round. The ability is called ballistic coefficient, or the efficiency of a projectile in overcoming air resistance as it travels to its target. According to Speer Reloading Manual Number 13, the .308 165 grain has the highest coefficient of any hunting rifle round:
.224″ (.22) 55 grain, BC .255
.243″ (6mm) 90 grain, BC .385
.243″ (6mm) 100 grain BT, BC .430
.257″ (.25) 100 grain BT, BC .393
.257″ (.25) 120 grain BT, BC .435
.264″ (6.5mm) 120 grain, BC .433
.264″ (6.5mm) 140 grain, BC .496
.277″ (.270) 130 grain BT, BC .449
.284″ (7mm) 145 grain, BC .457
.308″ (.30) 150 grain BT, BC .423
.308″ (.30) 165 grain BT, BC .477
.311″ (.303) 150 grain, BC .411
.323″ (8mm) 150 grain, BC .369
.338″ (.338) 200 grain, BC .448
.375″ (.375) 270 grain BT, BC .429
Hornady ammunition is not for the budget minded, and the Federal government will pay a premium price for their sniper ammunition: approximately $1.20 for each round, when they can get a lower grain .308 round for as little as $0.69 for a 147 grain .308 round from Lucky Gunner.
Surely we ALL understand the government’s purpose here!? :O
Once they tear themselves away from televised sports, they can become assertive.
At some point, does anyone hold the manufacturers responsible for signing such prohibitive contracts to exclude the rest of their loyal customers?
If this is all true, I’d be surprised that they’d a;; get in bed with gov’t like that. Perhaps I’m just naïve.
Those snipers at the superball... well, they are directed at both terrorists and the Spartacus playing on thefield.
I garrantee you, if it was not the overpay pacifying them, a few hero football players raising a ire against the State would end up dead, hillary Arkancide style.
A sniper rifle is never more accurate than when shooting a reloaded casing from a cartridge previously fired through the same gun.
there’s at least 100,000 targets fedgov believes they need to kill immediately before dealing with lesser threat targets with regular police/swat.
Obviously they are expecting they are going to have some snipin' to do...And not just a little bit of it...
Just think, just a few years ago there was no such thing as Homeland Security...Got to be a bunch of them and I wonder who they are...
Two can play that game.
Only 3 years left , Obama must be ready for the FAKE state of emergency ,so he can take complete control . You’ll know when it’s about to happen , Free Republic , Fox News ,Rush Limbaugh and others like him will go off the air
Because I am ‘paranoid’,when I read of the Federals buying billions of rounds of ammunition, I cannot help but wonder if they expect an uprising in the near future.
Maybe the very near future.
I know what this is for! Border and Customs peope are going to send 3000 snipers out to protect the border! Each with 2 boxes of .308, a scoped rifle, a spotter, and a radioman.
.308 winchester is OK for long range shooting. It definitely works out to 1,000 yards and beyond occasionally but there are many rounds that are superior. For example, I was never a big fan of the .243 winchester until I came to find that it is actually superior to the .308 for long range precision marksmanship. 7 mm projectiles tend to offer superior ballistic coefficients and better long range performance to .308 as well. Then there’s the mighty .338 lapua or the 338/378 weatherby magnum both of which are readily available to the civillian marksman and fully capable of hitting targets very hard beyond 1 mile with the right optic set up and shooter.
They don't even know if she'll run in 2016, some think Biden will instead.
It’s not just Feds, it’s the Executive Branch. A civilian Army better equipped, ect.
Rural Alaskans luv the old military guns, so when all the new calibers came out for ARs, well it’s second nature. I used a 6.8 for a couple years, then Armalite 338 fed, but it was just too heavy to lug around. Picked up a 308 SCAR a year back and it’s killed a bunch of caribou, a few black bear, and my nephew even killed a grizzly bear with that SCAR, 250 yards away moving out too; magazines are sweet for when ya miss the first shot or two. Anyway, I load 165 A-FRames & 168 TTSX’s with RL-15, TAC, and 4064 if I have to. I only load 43 grains or less, chrono’s right under 2500 and that’ll kill anything I’m shooting at. Here’s the problem, just look around for some RL-15 or TAC; non-existent. I see primers, can mail in bullets, but there ain’t powder anywhere right now. Something ain’t right?
“They don’t even know if she’ll run in 2016...”
Well, aren’t you special to write that. :o)
they have to provide ammunition for the "fast and furious guns", we have a lot more border agents to take care of.
To keep illegals out or keep citizens in?
To stop illegals from coming in of course. To keep “citizens” in line you just tell them they are “free” and give them TV and let them “vote”. Why would they leave?
I am not so sure.
When several mon hs ago, I read that they had bought a quantity of .303 Enfield, I thought that to be a sign they were buying this stuff to send to Syria. You will not find any modern army shooting the .303. But they are used for sniping by terrorists in the Mideast.
Then recently I read that they had purchased a huge amount of 7.62x39.
That is what the AK-47 shoots.
So my conclusion is that obumbler is spending Homeland Security money, Post Office money, etc., to purchase ammo for Syrian rebels because congress will not give him money to do so.
I am sure some of it will be fired at us, but I believe most of it is going over seas.
They can take every city with just a couple of backpacks and declaring marshall law. Everyone will stay in their homes while homeland and police and fbi and whoever else flashes a badge searches the neighborhoods.
Yep, those are some of the signs I'm looking for. Sure, they are easily "readable" actions and will warn many. However, I don't think the fascists could *not* take them down. If left up they would be too useful in instigating and coordinating resistance. So even though it'll be a big red flag, I expect those to be some of the opening moves.
>>So my conclusion is that obumbler is spending Homeland Security money, Post Office money, etc., to purchase ammo for Syrian rebels because congress will not give him money to do so.<<
That’s what I’m thinking too.
I have tons of this round and Schirroco as well.
Also Prizi, Wolf, So Africa, Argentina NATO rounds.
I was shooting last year and a fellow came up to my lane to inform me I might bit want to shoot “high power “ rounds through my M1A.
I asked why and he proceeds to tell me about max PSI in a chamber on the M1.
I politely listen then inform him I think I recently read that same article.
The discussion was about Garlands.
So I repeat a bit if the article back and show him the differences between his rifle and mine.
I also inform him that this gun doesn’t care what you feed it.
It has a voracious appetite.
I hand him the rifle and set him up on my lane and tell him to shoot till gets tired and if he moves anything on my sight to feel free bit write it down.
So he runs through 3 mags and I’m reloading and talking to my brother.
The fella takes the empty mag out and secure my.rifle
He notices something I hadn’t noticed “Schirroco rounds are pretty expensive”. He says.
I laugh and realize I grabbed ammo from the wrong shelf but, tell him to”Even more expensive if you don’t got em and need them. I got 30,000 rounds of 308. I’ll survive.
Though I am saving Schirroco and Hornady for the real rainy day when every shot counts and I need to reach out and touch someone”
I think I shot about $800 bucks that day.
And my Garand can take anything as well. I up graded the barrel and had it chambered in .308.
I tried to buy a box of instant ice packs the other day.
Went to 4 drug stores before I found a pack.
1st thought was “that’s crazy. someone must be building something”
I don’t understand this either. How do these purchases compare to previous years, for agencies that were around in previous years? And how would DHS’ tender for these compare to those of the other agencies that had the responsibilities they now have?
Obviously from the article they have a hog problem and the best way to combat it is with the Hornady AMAX “sniper” round.....
That is all I can figure out /sarc barf chunks
Yep and do not leave out the 300WIN Mag or 338WIN Mag. Both will have superior terminal ballistics over the 308WIN. BUT, I love my 308 as well for out to 1000.
Ahhhh, M1As.....will eat anything you feed it...green brass will go thru them. Love my NM and would not trade it for nothing.
First rifle out of the sack when I am on my range.
I’m actually going to be mounting my new vortex viper to my 300 win mag this weekend. I can’t wait. I like my AR10T but I’m more excited about that 300 WM. I’m gonna have a ton of fun with it this summer. Once I am bored with it, it’s on to .338 lapua.
It’s funny. I’ve got rifles with Luepold scopes on them but, just got a thing for my M1A.
I love shooting it.
For firing at foreign drug runners, they use beanbag rounds.
For American citizens, they plan to use lethal sniper rounds.
The fed’rull guvmint is outa control.
Well, at least ammo manufacturers have something to look forward too during the Obama economic depression.
Using our tax dollars against us once again
so if Obama orders an offensive against the people (armed offensive) who is going to protect the family members of the government snipers?
“I see primers, can mail in bullets, but there aint powder anywhere right now. Something aint right?”
I would agree. While guns and ammo are becoming readily available now, powder is almost impossible to find. Especially the popular #’s.
The previous speculation about these being funnelled to Syria is interesting, although I would then expect it to go through normal military (perhaps black) channels.
and claiming that they are serving us.
since when are servants allowed to steal from and menace their masters?