Skip to comments.Florida Judiciary Committee Passes COS Application
Posted on 02/12/2014 7:22:50 AM PST by GILTN1stborn
Great news! Thanks to your calls and letters, the Florida Judiciary Committee passed the COS application earlier this morning.
The vote was a bipartisan 7-2. You can watch the video or listen to the audio here. You can also email and call members of the committee by referencing our previous blog post.
Heres how everyone voted.
In Favor: Sen. Lee Sen. Soto Sen. Bradley Sen. Gardiner Sen. Latvala Sen. Richter Sen. Thrasher
Opposed: Sen. Ring Sen. Joyner
Congratulations to our team in Florida for a job well done. And thanks to our team across the country for lending their support at a critical moment.
Were one step closer to preserving liberty in our country.
I’m not so sure a convention is a good idea considering the weak leadership and lack of conservative organization.
The train is starting to roll!!
We have the growing Convention of States movement that was secured for us by Article V of the Constitution. Those that wish to ignore this firm element of our country's founding a deserving of the tyranny that is surely coming our way.
A convention is no guarantee of avoiding the tyranny. To state that not supporting a convention is deserving is a horrendous attitude and tyrannical itself.
Article V ping.
Opposed: Sen. Ring Sen. Joyner
Any idea what the R/D breakdown is in that group?
Here is a guarantee: America is a police state now. The law is what Obama says it is.
Reform cannot emerge from DC, from the people who profit so well from our corrupted system.
There are explanatory resources at COS.com all should take advantage of. First and foremost is the plain fact that our Framers bequeathed Article V for precisely the situation we find ourselves in. Our sovereignty has been stolen, it is time to reclaim it.
Article V ping!
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The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.
There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.
Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:
The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.
Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.
Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.
I have two reference works for those interested.
The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.
The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.
Conservatives are overwhelmingly stronger at the state level than at the federal level. Article V takes place at the state level with a bare bones administrative role of the federal government.
There is no way the Left can control an Article V COS.
Wyoming neuters New York.
Kansas neuters California.
You get the idea.
The Left does not have the numbers in the conservative states and states are far more conservative in number than liberal.
We can expect the Left, Soros, Bloomberg to throw massive funds into conservative states but it will not work. The grassroots in conservative states do not and will not trust liberal intruders.
It takes 2/3s of states to pass an amendment and 3/4s to ratify it. No danger of a runaway convention.
And it’s a convention to propose amendments to the existing Constitution. It is not a Constitutional Convention which would draw up a new constitution.
Try getting an amendment through to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Not going to happen.
Remember, it’s not dependent on the number of voters, it is dependent on the number of states.
Joyner and Ring are both democrats and Joyner is an embarrassment to the state.
That language in Article V pertains to Congress, but not to an Amendments Convention. If you read the ABA document, the authors point out that an Amendments Convention possesses enough sovereignty to decide its own rules for passing an amendment to Congress for disposal and then to the states for ratification. The Convention can choose a two-thirds threshold for reporting out an amendment, but it does not have to. I believe that even the ALEC document concurs on this.
Great news, Thanks Bay!
Obama already ignores the constitution. So we’re going to call a ConCon to write more amendments for him to ignore?
We at least have the cover of the actual document right now. We have the Bill of Rights. Opening a convention could remove that cover. This is a gigantic can of worms.
This won’t fix dimmo arrogance if they control at least the House or the Senate. The only fix for that is elections. And if our depraved fellow Americans keep electing depraved dimmos, the problem will never be solved peacefully.
The 2/3rds requirement is for Congress to pass an amendment, but it is also for the states to call for a convention to propose amendments. As you point out, the 2/3rds number is not for the convention to pass an amendment; that is up to the convention to decide. It is only the threshold for Congress to call the convention in the first place.
Just asking.....have you researched Article V? A convention of States for the purpose to put forward amendments to the constitution is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Elections will fix NOTHING enough to make a difference in the long run. An Amendment to repeal the 17th Amendment would be a good start. Check out the resources and explanations by other FReepers in this thread and read Mark Levin’s book “The Liberty Amendments”
So to elaborate on this point...
34 states could get together at an Article V convention to propose amendments. Having set THEIR threshold at 2/3 (23) would be all that was required to send an amendment to the states for ratification. Then the 3/4 (38) threshold would be required for ratification...
Is this how I read it?
34 states are needed to call for a proposing convention. Once called, I don't think that a quorum of 34 states is required to attend, but I don't see why the calling states wouldn't attend.
Your elaboration assumes that only the 34 calling states attend, which is certainly possible. They could then move to a simple majority process, a super-majority process, a unamimous process, etc.
I think that, once called, all states would send delegations. I also doubt that the dissenting states would send disruptors. I would hope that a proposing convention would bring back the true meaning of debate, and that the participants would be swayed by a rational discussion of the merits of states' interests vs. an out of control federal government, and not just toe the controlling party line on national issues.
What we call "debate" in the Senate is just posturing. Nobody actually listens anymore to what the others say, as the votes are already preset based on special interests and the risk of losing campaign funding.
But that's just me.
Anyway, if you think voting alone will reverse what voting in the past has not, I refer you to Einstein's definition of insanity. No matter who or what party wins in 2014, 2016, our course is headed straight for hell on earth tyranny.
Until power is once again divided between the states and the government they created, our demise is assured. The GOPE don't give a twit about our freedoms and no election will change that.
Levin's book has been out for six months, he offers Chapter One for free at his website, there have been a couple dozen or more posts about Article V at FR, and conventionofstates.com has an extensive FAQ available on their homepage.
Despite all the info, some people choose to remain ignorant. Like the Freepers who can't read beyond the title to a post, there are many who would rather toss stones than educate themselves.
I would think things like Term Limits, balanced budgets and more state representation (17th repeal) would interest ALL states...
But that’s just me...
The first attack will be on the 1st assembly and speech (redress of grievances also), 2nd, 3rd (forcing government into homes), limiting 4th 5th and 6th,
If the Dems are against it, I’m for it.
And those attacks will go nowhere, either at an Amendments Convention or at the time for ratification by the states.
If the legislatures of three-fourths of the states pass a Resolution of No-Confidence in the federal government, the federal government is dissolved, and new elections will be held 30 days after the three-fourths threshold is reached. These elections will be for president, vice president, House and all Senate seats, regardless of senatorial "class". Once the new government is installed, all members of the federal judiciary are dismissed, and the new government will replace the entire federal bench.
I would love to see something like this proposed.
Facts indicate if we do nothing we all go down together. Look at what Obama did with his latest decree about IRS control of workforce reductions related to healthcare. It is obvious that congress will do nothing. A controlled amendment process that brings power back to the states is a tool the founders intended us to use to preserve the republic.
Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.
'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.
The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.
I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then on to:
Convention of States Lots of information here.
A Summary of Mark Levins Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance By Robert Berry
State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!
Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.
Lets all work together to get this going. Call or write your state senator today.
Like anyone, legislators appreciate the personal touch of a handwritten, or at least hand signed letter.
My letter resulted in a 45 minute conversation in his office. The FL legislature is a part time gig, which means their duties in Tallahassee take away from their workaday life. He owns a business, employs 150 people, and was very receptive.
Thank you both for your replies.
Interesting comment. Perhaps add that no one sitting in congress or the executive can stand for election?
A Dracula Clause would be a good addition to the idea.
More good news: http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/victory-arizona