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Florida Judiciary Committee Passes COS Application
The Convention of States Project ^ | Feb 11, 2014 | COS Project Team

Posted on 02/12/2014 7:22:50 AM PST by GILTN1stborn

Great news! Thanks to your calls and letters, the Florida Judiciary Committee passed the COS application earlier this morning.

The vote was a bipartisan 7-2. You can watch the video or listen to the audio here. You can also email and call members of the committee by referencing our previous blog post.

Here’s how everyone voted.

In Favor: •Sen. Lee •Sen. Soto •Sen. Bradley •Sen. Gardiner •Sen. Latvala •Sen. Richter •Sen. Thrasher

Opposed: •Sen. Ring •Sen. Joyner

Congratulations to our team in Florida for a job well done. And thanks to our team across the country for lending their support at a critical moment.

We’re one step closer to preserving liberty in our country.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: articlev; convention; cos; florida
GET your tools to help in the effort here: http://www.conventionofstates.com/ Do not listen to the lies and do not fear the BS the left is putting out about "a runaway convention". Article V is a tool our founders gave us and the TIME IS NOW to use it!
1 posted on 02/12/2014 7:22:50 AM PST by GILTN1stborn
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To: Mrs. P; Gosh I love this neighborhood; seekthetruth; captain cynic

#conventionofstates ping


2 posted on 02/12/2014 7:24:37 AM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn

I’m not so sure a convention is a good idea considering the weak leadership and lack of conservative organization.


3 posted on 02/12/2014 7:25:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GILTN1stborn; Jacquerie; bigfootbob; Publius

The train is starting to roll!!


4 posted on 02/12/2014 7:34:20 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: driftdiver
You must have faith and believe that good will triumph over liberal evil.(check the links provided)

We have the growing Convention of States movement that was secured for us by Article V of the Constitution. Those that wish to ignore this firm element of our country's founding a deserving of the tyranny that is surely coming our way.

5 posted on 02/12/2014 7:36:02 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: Baynative

A convention is no guarantee of avoiding the tyranny. To state that not supporting a convention is deserving is a horrendous attitude and tyrannical itself.


6 posted on 02/12/2014 7:39:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hostage

Article V ping.


7 posted on 02/12/2014 7:47:01 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: FReepers
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8 posted on 02/12/2014 7:47:46 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: GILTN1stborn
In Favor: •Sen. Lee •Sen. Soto •Sen. Bradley •Sen. Gardiner •Sen. Latvala •Sen. Richter •Sen. Thrasher

Opposed: •Sen. Ring •Sen. Joyner

Any idea what the R/D breakdown is in that group?

9 posted on 02/12/2014 7:48:05 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: driftdiver
A convention is no guarantee of avoiding the tyranny.

Here is a guarantee: America is a police state now. The law is what Obama says it is.

Reform cannot emerge from DC, from the people who profit so well from our corrupted system.

There are explanatory resources at COS.com all should take advantage of. First and foremost is the plain fact that our Framers bequeathed Article V for precisely the situation we find ourselves in. Our sovereignty has been stolen, it is time to reclaim it.

10 posted on 02/12/2014 7:49:06 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!


11 posted on 02/12/2014 7:49:56 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
Lee (R)
Soto (D)
Bradley (R)
Gardiner (R)
Latvala (R)
Richter (R)
Thrasher (R)
Ring (D)
Joyner (D)

12 posted on 02/12/2014 7:57:53 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: GILTN1stborn
My usual boilerplate for these threads.

*** BEGIN ***

The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

13 posted on 02/12/2014 7:58:59 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: driftdiver

Conservatives are overwhelmingly stronger at the state level than at the federal level. Article V takes place at the state level with a bare bones administrative role of the federal government.

There is no way the Left can control an Article V COS.

Wyoming neuters New York.

Kansas neuters California.

You get the idea.

The Left does not have the numbers in the conservative states and states are far more conservative in number than liberal.

We can expect the Left, Soros, Bloomberg to throw massive funds into conservative states but it will not work. The grassroots in conservative states do not and will not trust liberal intruders.

It takes 2/3s of states to pass an amendment and 3/4s to ratify it. No danger of a runaway convention.

And it’s a convention to propose amendments to the existing Constitution. It is not a Constitutional Convention which would draw up a new constitution.

Try getting an amendment through to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Not going to happen.

Remember, it’s not dependent on the number of voters, it is dependent on the number of states.


14 posted on 02/12/2014 8:03:28 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: RobinOfKingston
The ones voting in favor were all Republicans except Soto, who is a Democrat.

Joyner and Ring are both democrats and Joyner is an embarrassment to the state.

15 posted on 02/12/2014 8:05:24 AM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: Hostage
Maybe the leftist states like California do not like being pushed around be DC as well. DC establishment should be very afraid.
16 posted on 02/12/2014 8:12:21 AM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: Hostage
It takes 2/3s of states to pass an amendment...

That language in Article V pertains to Congress, but not to an Amendments Convention. If you read the ABA document, the authors point out that an Amendments Convention possesses enough sovereignty to decide its own rules for passing an amendment to Congress for disposal and then to the states for ratification. The Convention can choose a two-thirds threshold for reporting out an amendment, but it does not have to. I believe that even the ALEC document concurs on this.

17 posted on 02/12/2014 8:12:52 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Baynative

Great news, Thanks Bay!


18 posted on 02/12/2014 9:30:15 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: GILTN1stborn

Obama already ignores the constitution. So we’re going to call a ConCon to write more amendments for him to ignore?

We at least have the cover of the actual document right now. We have the Bill of Rights. Opening a convention could remove that cover. This is a gigantic can of worms.

This won’t fix dimmo arrogance if they control at least the House or the Senate. The only fix for that is elections. And if our depraved fellow Americans keep electing depraved dimmos, the problem will never be solved peacefully.


19 posted on 02/12/2014 9:34:58 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Publius
I think it's important for people to understand this distinction. The 2/3ds number is used in several ways.

The 2/3rds requirement is for Congress to pass an amendment, but it is also for the states to call for a convention to propose amendments. As you point out, the 2/3rds number is not for the convention to pass an amendment; that is up to the convention to decide. It is only the threshold for Congress to call the convention in the first place.

-PJ

20 posted on 02/12/2014 9:45:14 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: afsnco

Just asking.....have you researched Article V? A convention of States for the purpose to put forward amendments to the constitution is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Elections will fix NOTHING enough to make a difference in the long run. An Amendment to repeal the 17th Amendment would be a good start. Check out the resources and explanations by other FReepers in this thread and read Mark Levin’s book “The Liberty Amendments”


21 posted on 02/12/2014 9:56:30 AM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: Political Junkie Too

So to elaborate on this point...

34 states could get together at an Article V convention to propose amendments. Having set THEIR threshold at 2/3 (23) would be all that was required to send an amendment to the states for ratification. Then the 3/4 (38) threshold would be required for ratification...

Is this how I read it?


22 posted on 02/12/2014 10:00:22 AM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: bfh333
I think so, with some assumptions.

34 states are needed to call for a proposing convention. Once called, I don't think that a quorum of 34 states is required to attend, but I don't see why the calling states wouldn't attend.

Your elaboration assumes that only the 34 calling states attend, which is certainly possible. They could then move to a simple majority process, a super-majority process, a unamimous process, etc.

I think that, once called, all states would send delegations. I also doubt that the dissenting states would send disruptors. I would hope that a proposing convention would bring back the true meaning of debate, and that the participants would be swayed by a rational discussion of the merits of states' interests vs. an out of control federal government, and not just toe the controlling party line on national issues.

What we call "debate" in the Senate is just posturing. Nobody actually listens anymore to what the others say, as the votes are already preset based on special interests and the risk of losing campaign funding.

But that's just me.

-PJ

23 posted on 02/12/2014 10:28:06 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: afsnco
America 2014 is a police state. Elections have become blind alleys for the gullible. Elections serve far more to condone tyranny than to select our lawgivers. Tell me the clauses in the Bill of Rights that are in effect.

Anyway, if you think voting alone will reverse what voting in the past has not, I refer you to Einstein's definition of insanity. No matter who or what party wins in 2014, 2016, our course is headed straight for hell on earth tyranny.

Until power is once again divided between the states and the government they created, our demise is assured. The GOPE don't give a twit about our freedoms and no election will change that.

Levin's book has been out for six months, he offers Chapter One for free at his website, there have been a couple dozen or more posts about Article V at FR, and conventionofstates.com has an extensive FAQ available on their homepage.

Despite all the info, some people choose to remain ignorant. Like the Freepers who can't read beyond the title to a post, there are many who would rather toss stones than educate themselves.

24 posted on 02/12/2014 10:31:26 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thanks...

I would think things like Term Limits, balanced budgets and more state representation (17th repeal) would interest ALL states...

But that’s just me...


25 posted on 02/12/2014 10:38:08 AM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Publius

The first attack will be on the 1st assembly and speech (redress of grievances also), 2nd, 3rd (forcing government into homes), limiting 4th 5th and 6th,


26 posted on 02/12/2014 10:44:36 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jacquerie

If the Dems are against it, I’m for it.


27 posted on 02/12/2014 10:47:04 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: longtermmemmory

And those attacks will go nowhere, either at an Amendments Convention or at the time for ratification by the states.


28 posted on 02/12/2014 11:02:26 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: bfh333
There is an idea I heard bandied about in the Eighties that gets my juices flowing, and your post brings it to mind. It was called the Utah Option, although I have no idea what connection it had with Utah. The idea was to amend the Constitution to allow the following:

If the legislatures of three-fourths of the states pass a Resolution of No-Confidence in the federal government, the federal government is dissolved, and new elections will be held 30 days after the three-fourths threshold is reached. These elections will be for president, vice president, House and all Senate seats, regardless of senatorial "class". Once the new government is installed, all members of the federal judiciary are dismissed, and the new government will replace the entire federal bench.

I would love to see something like this proposed.

29 posted on 02/12/2014 11:11:52 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: driftdiver
It is a procedural convention not a constitutional convention. If you look at the websites and read the policy of development you may form a different opinion.

Facts indicate if we do nothing we all go down together. Look at what Obama did with his latest decree about IRS control of workforce reductions related to healthcare. It is obvious that congress will do nothing. A controlled amendment process that brings power back to the states is a tool the founders intended us to use to preserve the republic.

30 posted on 02/12/2014 11:31:04 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: GILTN1stborn
Another debt ceiling increase. . The federal government is Broken. Our only Constitutional redress is Article V and a Convention of States. Some research links:

Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.

'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.

The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.

I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then on to:

Convention of States Lots of information here.

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

Article V Project to Restore Liberty

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

Citizens for Self Governance: Convention of States Project – a hub of 15 youtube videos on the Convention of States

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

Amendments Convention Links

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Friends of Article V Convention Links

Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance By Robert Berry

The Final Constitutional Option

Article V Handbook - for State Legislators

State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points. Both from Here.

Let’s all work together to get this going. Call or write your state senator today.

31 posted on 02/12/2014 12:13:30 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho
You have accumulated a good list. When I first contacted my state rep and included only one link to www.conventionofstates.com, his staffer told me they do not bother to look at links and I should write a summary. I told her Mark Levin's book says it all and sent that to them. Multiple followups via email have not yielded a response yet and these people are republicans.
32 posted on 02/12/2014 12:26:42 PM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn
Speaking of links:

Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman

Like anyone, legislators appreciate the personal touch of a handwritten, or at least hand signed letter.

My letter resulted in a 45 minute conversation in his office. The FL legislature is a part time gig, which means their duties in Tallahassee take away from their workaday life. He owns a business, employs 150 people, and was very receptive.

33 posted on 02/12/2014 12:47:44 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie; GILTN1stborn

Thank you both for your replies.


34 posted on 02/12/2014 1:09:04 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Publius

Interesting comment. Perhaps add that no one sitting in congress or the executive can stand for election?


35 posted on 02/12/2014 6:05:41 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

A Dracula Clause would be a good addition to the idea.


36 posted on 02/12/2014 6:57:21 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Baynative; Art in Idaho

More good news: http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/victory-arizona


37 posted on 02/13/2014 8:32:48 PM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: Jacquerie
Good letter Jacquerie. Will add it to the links list.
38 posted on 02/13/2014 9:06:41 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: GILTN1stborn
Thanks for posting. Good news from Arizona!
39 posted on 02/13/2014 9:16:30 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: GILTN1stborn

More for the lists http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/real-deal-recap-pt-ii-case-you-missed-it


40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:29:25 PM PST by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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