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Caring for undocumented dialysis patients at UMC
KSNV ^ | 2/11 /2014 | Sandra Gonzalez

Posted on 02/12/2014 11:22:23 AM PST by moonshinner_09

LAS VEGAS (KSNV & MyNews3) -- As a county run hospital, University Medical Center cannot refuse treatment to anyone, regardless of their ability to pay.

In December alone, 900 dialysis treatments were done on undocumented residents. They are uninsured, and the extensive treatment for their kidneys is not being paid for.

UMC is treating more than 20 undocumented residents with dialysis every day in the emergency room, and they come twice a week. The process takes about four hours.

"What you're doing is filtering all the blood in your body through an artificial kidney which is the dialysis, and so that huge machine is doing what your kidneys usually do," said UMC Chief of Staff, Dr. Dale Carrison.

Carrison says these patients' kidneys are failing mainly for three reasons: congenital, uncontrolled blood pressure or uncontrolled diabetes. He estimates the average age is in the 40s.

"As I sit here as an old guy, none of these dialysis patients are going to live to be my age, they're going to die. they're going to die early," Carrison said.

By law, they must be seen, with or without financial reimbursement to UMC.

"So we have this population fo undocumented that are coming here and if we don't care for them they die. From a human standpoint we do it, but it costs a huge amount of money," Carrison said.

Carrison estimates $10 million to $12 million a year and under state law the hospital can file claims for partial reimbursement but he says hundreds of those claims have not produced a dime, yet.

"Our community says, 'Well UMC is losing money'. Well what do you do? Throw these people away? Let them die? And when does that stop?" Carrison said.

(Excerpt) Read more at mynews3.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; dialysis; illegals; illegalsdialysis; immigration; nevada; umc
continued.. Most of the patients, Carrison says, live here in the valley and most likely will stay, and that UMC will continue to treat them.

"We are here for everybody and that's the beauty of UMC," Carrison said.

He says he hopes eventually some medicaid reimbursement arrives. When these hospitals do not receive payments of any kind.The hospital in turn must look for ways to save money by laying off people,reduce hours,close off certain floors.They should stabilize these illegals afterwards make arrangements to ship them home and let their hospitals pickup the tab/and their countries can be sending money to our hospitals paying for all their treatments.None of this is cheap and taxpayers are paying good money to give illegal aliens free medical care.Illegal aliens have better free medical care than Americans.

1 posted on 02/12/2014 11:22:23 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Carrison should work for free since he’s all compassionate and stuff.


2 posted on 02/12/2014 11:27:23 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: moonshinner_09

Meanwhile speaking of free medical care...ADDS CREATION DATE, LOCATION AND BYLINE - This Aug. 7, 2013 photo provided by Shahraiz Bajwa and taken in Washington, D.C. shows Muhammad Shahzaib Bajwa, who has been comatose since being injured in a November crash while spending a semester in an exchange program at the University of Wisconsin-Superior. His family is trying to prevent the Essentia Health-St. Mary’s Medical Center in Duluth from sending him back to his home country. A hospital spokeswoman said Bajwa won’t be able to stay in the country legally after his student visa expires Feb. 28. (AP Photo/Courtesy Shahraiz Bajwa, Maryam Kamal)http://tbo.com/ap/national/family-keep-pakistani-patient-in-us-hospital-ap_national3db5a35483ef41dc88b6fa79d33c0d99


3 posted on 02/12/2014 11:30:54 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
when this care is done to non citizens, who do not pay taxes like the rest of us, its STEALING from us.....its stealing resources from those who already have paid their dues and continue to pay...

so they're going to layoff staff?...close off units?....this means less care for us....less choice...

I guess if you need a heart transplant just show up there without id and only speak spanish....

4 posted on 02/12/2014 11:36:10 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: moonshinner_09

Ask a liberal why we cannot bill the country of origin at @x market price for the procedure?


5 posted on 02/12/2014 11:38:31 AM PST by GraceG
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To: cherry

[ I guess if you need a heart transplant just show up there without id and only speak spanish.... ]

We should do the heart transplant and then send a bill to the country of origin for 2X-4X the cost of the procedure...

Countries would start patrolling their own borders and immigration more closely...


6 posted on 02/12/2014 11:40:11 AM PST by GraceG
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To: TurboZamboni

Wait the taxpayers paid for treatment? How can that be government tells us there is no health care in this country.

Guess we need to pay for this treatment and, pay insurance for these people as well.


7 posted on 02/12/2014 11:40:48 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: moonshinner_09

They will deny Americans care and rob the taxpayers to “care” for foreign criminal aliens


8 posted on 02/12/2014 11:45:30 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: edcoil
Guess we need to pay for this treatment and, pay insurance for these people as well.

"compassionate conservatism" some call it.

9 posted on 02/12/2014 11:45:32 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: moonshinner_09

I know people on dialysis here in Southern California. I personally have visited with a friend at a dialysis clinic and have seen and heard most of the patients. Most cannot speak cannot speak English or speak it in such broken fashion that they are incomprehensible. Out of 48 I have seen only 3-4 are white Americans; the rest are Hispanics and Asians. None of the employees are white Americans, except the owner, and most of the employees speak such broken English one cannot understand them. Once again my report is based upon personal observation by sight and sound.


10 posted on 02/12/2014 11:45:35 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: GraceG

My sister went to a hospital and gave up and left after 3 hours. Medicaid was billed $3,000+ and all she had done was sign the papers they gave her when she showed up. They did nothing, not even seen a doctor.


11 posted on 02/12/2014 11:46:51 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: moonshinner_09

They should return to the countries from which they came here ILLEGALLY and avail themselves of the FREE, HIGH QUALITY CARE there.


12 posted on 02/12/2014 11:49:06 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Mexico is the 10th richest nation on Earth. Deport them right to Mexico City. If they die, it is on Mexico’s head.


13 posted on 02/12/2014 11:56:03 AM PST by montag813
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To: TurboZamboni

“Carrison should work for free since he’s all compassionate and stuff.”

It doesn’t matter what he thinks, the law says he has to treat them. The immigration service should pick them up and send them back to their real country.

That emergency room should have people with insurance (the Medicaid ones who should have insurance now) coming in to pay for the service they always got free before. They shouldn’t be going there anyway since they now have insurance - they should go to a doctor like the rest of us do, instead of clogging up emergency rooms.

The whole medical insurance system is a mess due to Husseincare.


14 posted on 02/12/2014 12:00:24 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: moonshinner_09

I definitely support giving emergency medical care to anyone who needs it.
But as for illegal aliens, they should be treated and then sent to their home countries for follow-up care.
This would not be a big, serious problem IF ONLY our federal government would reasonably enforce our laws (borders).
Most of this problem arises because of Obama’s open borders policy.
(An even greater problem is, I believe, all the illegal aliens flooding into USA from countries OTHER than Mexico, countries that are openly hostile to America ... “religion of peace” places, need we say more?....We will someday discover just how deep we are in this DooDoo....)


15 posted on 02/12/2014 12:06:31 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: moonshinner_09

Why don’t we invoice the illegal’s home country? They are responsible for these costs.


16 posted on 02/12/2014 12:13:40 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I sort of sympathize with the doctor. When people come in, face to face, what is he supposed to do? Tell them to die? Sending them back to their home countries is probably a death sentence. But American taxpayers don’t have enough money to provide free medical care to everyone in Latin America.


17 posted on 02/12/2014 12:13:52 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: GraceG

How would you enforce the debt? I remember a story about a woman from Taiwan, which has “free” health care, who wound up in a Connecticut Hospital, costing them $2 million a year, and Taiwan would not pay, nor pay to transport her home. Eventually, the hospital paid for a med-flight home for her. At least they took her. Mexico probably wouldn’t even have let her off the plane.


18 posted on 02/12/2014 12:17:39 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Well what do you do? Throw these people away? Let them die? And when does that stop?” Carrison said.

Well when the hospital goes belly up AMERICANS will die. Who are you loyal to Dr. Carrison?


19 posted on 02/12/2014 12:43:47 PM PST by magna carta
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To: cherry

Do not forget illegals also tie up chairs that Americans want be able to have due from overwhelming number of illegals there for free care


20 posted on 02/12/2014 12:53:12 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: edcoil

There is a simple solution for the hospital - for American citizens. Simply pay to enroll them in Obamacare/Medicaid. Then we all pay for it.

Of course you need to find a working web site.


21 posted on 02/12/2014 1:06:47 PM PST by RossA
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To: GeronL

To be seen in an emergency room you have to do as the illegals do. Complain of chest pains and shortness of breath as these are the magic words to be seen immediately in an ER. When you get to see the doctor say the chest pains and breath are fine now but XXXXX is what is still wrong with me. If you don’t want to go through this deception you will wait in the ER for hours while all the illegals who do this very thing get treatment.


22 posted on 02/12/2014 1:10:31 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: moonshinner_09
The idiots in the South Dakota Legislature are on the verge of giving free prenatal care to illegals. The argument is that this will save money by preventing high risk births that the state will also be paying for the care. I know lots of tax paying citizens who could use this help especially when they are losing their insurance because of Obamacare.

Too bad someone doesn't have the guts to require all illegals getting free medical care to be photographed, fingerprinted and that information being sent to ICE for their deportation.

23 posted on 02/12/2014 1:17:20 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: moonshinner_09

The problem will be solved when amnesty is passed, most likely AFTER the midterm elections. Then all illegals involved will be automatic American citizens eligible for Obamacare.


24 posted on 02/12/2014 1:38:58 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: moonshinner_09

We are such a cruel country. Why would any one come here illegally. We’re all racists providing them free food, free medical care, free education a tax free existence. If only we were to give all the illegals amnesty they would sign right up to pay taxes and get Obamacare.

Pathetic


25 posted on 02/12/2014 2:24:40 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: cherry

I recall that in 2009 Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta had a Dialysis Unit with a large number of illegals that they had to treat without compensation.

They finally bit the bullet and announced they were closing the dialysis unit. Wails and knashing of teeth. See NY times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/health/policy/21grady.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1392275409-7ZH6zBxP7a3xokFaUYQThQ

Key quotes:

“Years and years of providing this free care has led Grady to the breaking point,” said Matt Gove, one of the hospital’s senior vice presidents. “If we don’t make the gut-wrenching decisions now, there won’t be a Grady later. Then, everyone loses.”

Some of the Grady dialysis patients have chosen to return to their countries, encouraged by the hospital’s offer of free airfare, cash payments, three months of paid dialysis and assistance in seeking insurance or other long-term remedies. Others are trying their luck in states where Medicaid policies may be less restrictive.

But most remain in Atlanta, taking full advantage of a last-minute offer by the hospital, in response to a lawsuit, to pay for three months of dialysis at commercial clinics. They are hopeful that the reprieve will buy time for the lawsuit to progress or for private dialysis providers to take them as charity cases.

Followup article:

Deal Reached on Dialysis for Immigrants

By KEVIN SACK

Published: September 9, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/health/10grady.html


Meanwhile, in California San Fernando Valley, multiple emergency rooms closed due to unfunded treatment of illegals.


26 posted on 02/12/2014 11:22:18 PM PST by Mack the knife
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