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New Signup Numbers Show Why Obamacare May Be Impossible To Repeal
Forbes ^ | 2/12/14 | Matthew Herper,

Posted on 02/12/2014 11:33:46 PM PST by Oliviaforever

For Republicans who want to repeal the Affordable Care Act, there is a major problem: many people may hate the law, but just as many like it.

“The thing that bothers me is people constantly forget that all politics is local, and that there’s great variation in the extent to which the law is accepted or is going to work. It’s state by state,” says Austin Frakt, an associate professor of public health at the Boston University School of Public Health and co-author of the popular Incidental Economist blog. “It’s not fair to say we’ll repeal the whole thing because there’s half the states that are cool with it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; obamacare; obamacareenrollment; obamacarepropaganda
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1 posted on 02/12/2014 11:33:46 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

Boo fookin’ hoo, if they like it they can pay for their very own version of it.


2 posted on 02/12/2014 11:35:47 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Oliviaforever

Those joining it are not the ones they need to join it!


3 posted on 02/12/2014 11:37:45 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Oliviaforever

Kinda hard to justify saying the folks who signed up actually like it. When there’s a gun to your head, saying “sign up or else”, you don’t get a lot of choice, and many aren’t willing to deal with the IRS penalty, so they sign up under duress.


4 posted on 02/12/2014 11:37:52 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Ah huh. Liberal fun with math... Shocker... Buried way, way low in the article.

This analysis, by Avalere Health, incorporates enrollment figures released on February 12, 2014, as well as updated state-specific tracking from publicly available resources. Projected enrollment is based on Avalere’s proprietary enrollment model, reduced uniformly based on the Congressional Budget Office lowered projections.

Yep lower the projections and claim you are closer to meeting your goals. Another lie brought to you by the President known as Zero.

5 posted on 02/12/2014 11:42:18 PM PST by NYRepublican72
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To: Little Pig

The ones who get subsidized like it, its the newest welfare program


6 posted on 02/12/2014 11:44:57 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Make it completely voluntary. It will mostly die on its own.


7 posted on 02/12/2014 11:45:08 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Little Pig

Good points.

Without the freedom to go without health insurance, people are forced to pay for a product they do not want or need, thereby placing the burden of their health care and health insurance on the tax payer instead of just paying doctors and hospitals with cash for ER visits and major surgery.


8 posted on 02/12/2014 11:45:34 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever
"It’s state by state,”

That is the problem, it is not state by state and it is not local.

It is from the federal Gov.

"one size ****'s all.

9 posted on 02/12/2014 11:50:06 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Oliviaforever

This shameless piece accepts the government’s 3.3m “signup” figure as real when they refuse to reveal how many of the “signups” have actually paid for a policy.


10 posted on 02/12/2014 11:51:21 PM PST by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Oliviaforever

Yep - we’re all socialists now. :)


11 posted on 02/12/2014 11:53:03 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Oliviaforever

BS ALERT


12 posted on 02/12/2014 11:56:22 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: denydenydeny

Forbes is for big business. Health Insurance companies are big business. They helped Obama admin write ACA. Yep, write the laws to make people buy their products, a corporation wet dream come true but due to Fed stupidity the get rich scheme turned into a nightmare that needs to be salvaged. Insurance industry wants a modified ACA where US citizens are still required to buy their products. Health care and insurance companies are still trying to salvage their political/financial gamble on ACA. Problem is half the GOP reps get donations from the corporate donors. Big business may get their way.


13 posted on 02/12/2014 11:59:43 PM PST by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: Oliviaforever

is it really ‘signups’ when you’re being threatened with fines for not signing up?

the reality is, there are hundreds of millions risking imprisonment by not signing up due to the out of control costs

that’s just how much they hate it


14 posted on 02/13/2014 12:01:50 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Fee
Health Insurance companies are big business.

They are big chumps if they think they are going to glide through this mess. How obvious can it get?

15 posted on 02/13/2014 12:12:46 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: NYRepublican72
When I was born my parents looked at me and said "Well, he doesn't look like a doctor or a lawyer so if he stays out of prison we'll be happy".

So far I have made Mom and Dad proud, except for that one night in jail which wasn't my fault, really.

I've found if you set your goals low you have a greater chance of achieving them which is better for your self esteem which is, of course, all that matters.

16 posted on 02/13/2014 12:13:41 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: dr_lew; Kartographer; Travis McGee

As obvious as Venezuela heading into starvation, they sent the army after protesters today, large protests, at least 3 dead, no Venezuelan media coverage. They even cut off a Colombian channel reporting on it from their DirecTV and blocked their internet site.

Almost as bad as a company blaming ObamaCare for layoffs.


17 posted on 02/13/2014 12:16:49 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Oliviaforever; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Liz; BufordP; reaganaut
RE :” It’s state by state,” says Austin Frakt, an associate professor of public health at the Boston University School of Public Health and co-author of the popular Incidental Economist blog. “It’s not fair to say we’ll repeal the whole thing because there’s half the states that are cool with it.”

I been posting here since 2011 that the GOP House should of passed a bill making all of Obama-care completely voluntary for each state as with the medicaid expansion, that all those House symbolic appeals would never get signed into law, and that the GOP repealing Obama care for all the Dems states that want it was just symbolic arrogance, much like Obama imposing it on all states( except he was successful).

Let states opt out and lets see what happens. A full repeal was never in the cards.

18 posted on 02/13/2014 12:18:02 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Tzimisce

Da comrade! Pass the vodka!

*cries for whiskey*


19 posted on 02/13/2014 12:23:23 AM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Oliviaforever

20 posted on 02/13/2014 12:24:18 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: GeronL

Even with the subsidy, the deductibles on those plans are staggering. Once they realize they’re never going to hit the yearly cap, I bet they won’t be so thrilled.


21 posted on 02/13/2014 12:26:43 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Oliviaforever
What part of "it can't fly" don't people get?


22 posted on 02/13/2014 12:29:12 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Even if the Feds “ had to” keep a welfare medical program for a few million obamacare enrollees, it will be immensely beneficial to repeal the rest of the law impacting the other 300 miion Americans ( and seriously depressing g our economy). In other words, Cutting our losses would still be a good idea Meanwhile we stay screwed with a congress that acts like a damned rubber stamp for every destroy-America proposal anyone can Dream up. We is in deep doo doooo


23 posted on 02/13/2014 12:32:07 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Oliviaforever

If you want BIG________________________ government.Sign up!People act like obamacare is the 18th amendment all over again which it isn’t.It’s loophole city!


24 posted on 02/13/2014 12:32:58 AM PST by plainshame
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To: Oliviaforever

Exercising the freedom to go without health insurance, who pays the emergency room bills of those without insurance, if they don’t have enough money to pay for emergency treatment?


25 posted on 02/13/2014 12:35:23 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Oliviaforever
Soooooo....Half of the states love free sh*t, and the rest of us are expected to pick up the tab?

America needs a parasite cleanse.

26 posted on 02/13/2014 12:40:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Anything they can "make" we can break.

(And vice-versa.)


27 posted on 02/13/2014 12:43:30 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: gleeaikin
The same people who aren't paying for health care now, but are paying more for health insurance for the 'uninsured masses'. Which means we (taxpayers) don't just pay the doctors, nurses, and hospitals, but the bookkeepers, the Government employees, the IRS to snoop it all, etc. etc. etc.

It was likely much cheaper just picking up the tab.

BTW, not all the uninsured stuck others with the bill, either. Some paid it out of pocket (been there, done that).

28 posted on 02/13/2014 12:49:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Just try to find a Dr. This article is BS.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 12:51:05 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: Talisker

The H-4 Hercules (AKA “The Spruce Goose) did fly, albeit only once. Enough to prove it would.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 12:51:50 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Tzimisce

“Yep - we’re all socialists now. :)”
_______________________________________________
Don’t smile...As I often post, America will be the USSA, somewhat like the now defunct USSR.
If you now think it can not get any worse, just wait and see.
Obozo has another three years to destroy the country, and make it an Obamanation. It is anyone’s guess as to how or if the damage can be turned around.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 12:56:42 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Talisker

It did fly, with Howard Hughes flying it, and the government had to pay for it!


33 posted on 02/13/2014 1:20:45 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Oliviaforever

The healthcare hotline phone # says it all: 1-800-382-5968.

Spell.it out on your phone, 1-800-Fxxx-yxx.


34 posted on 02/13/2014 1:22:26 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Oliviaforever

I am giving myself the freedom to go without health insurance. This law is slavery, I will not comply. Best I’ll do is join a Christian Medishare group. Fed Gov has overstepped big time.


35 posted on 02/13/2014 1:35:04 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Oliviaforever

I’m sure people who receive health care paid for by someone else love it... The people forced to pay for it not so much...


36 posted on 02/13/2014 1:37:02 AM PST by DB
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To: Oliviaforever

“This analysis, by Avalere Health”

Avalere healths ceo and founder is Dan Mendelson. He was the top health official in the clinton white house. And while he tries to remain subdued and pretends to not be a cheerleader for obamacare, he sure is shilling for obamacare.

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2010/10/18/reform-starts-now-more-choice-for-medicares-low-income-rx-beneficiaries/


37 posted on 02/13/2014 1:39:53 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: dalereed
It did fly, with Howard Hughes flying it, and the government had to pay for it!

LOL, it fit the legal definition of "flight," thus fulfilling the contract and enabling reimbursement for its creation.

That's a whole different thing from actually "flying," as in more than a few feet up, more than once!

38 posted on 02/13/2014 1:44:12 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Oliviaforever
"It’s not fair to say we’ll repeal the whole thing..."

It is manifestly fair to cancel it. I don't give a rat's arse if the socialist parasites like it or not.

39 posted on 02/13/2014 1:55:50 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: F15Eagle
I haven't been to see it, but that would be neat.

Constrained by war materials considerations to using wood, it is one heck of a piece of engineering, one which flew and might have worked, had it not been rendered unnecessary by progress in the war.

40 posted on 02/13/2014 2:18:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Talisker
Nowadays, the government would have ordered 100, cut the order to 20, and spread the development costs over the ones which were actually built. At least then the government had enough sense to stop building things which were not useful.

But fast forward four decades, and armor was being designed to fit in transport aircraft.

Maybe it is just that Hughes was ahead of his time.

41 posted on 02/13/2014 2:23:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Talisker
Spruce Goose ?

But ... it DID fly

42 posted on 02/13/2014 2:24:53 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: dalereed; Smokin' Joe; knarf
aaaand ... we have ... lift off
43 posted on 02/13/2014 2:30:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Oliviaforever

With a stroke of the pen this administration killed insurance on millions of Americans, so why do they use the excuse that it would be impossible to repeal Obamacare without killing insurance on millions.

The left never has logic, only emotions, on their side.

Of course this was their plan all along on the road to socialized medicine.


44 posted on 02/13/2014 2:39:00 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: knarf
Fill in some gaps
45 posted on 02/13/2014 2:40:43 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Oliviaforever

The numbers are made up. Problem is, very few of the sign ups have paid a premium, so there.


46 posted on 02/13/2014 2:43:05 AM PST by dforest
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To: Oliviaforever
BS, it's a tax and can be repealed. The Dems talk like it's written in stone
over the top of the Constitution. Wrong. Repealing Zerocare is a start.
47 posted on 02/13/2014 2:44:32 AM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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>> there is a major problem: many people may hate the law, but just as many like it.

Right there is a major lie.


48 posted on 02/13/2014 2:47:10 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Those who are signing up still believe in hope and change and have thier hand out


49 posted on 02/13/2014 2:54:18 AM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: NYRepublican72

Good on you to pick this out. This entire administration is a sham


50 posted on 02/13/2014 3:25:48 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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