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The Atlantic: We may run out of winter for the Winter Olympics (Will Sochi be the last one?)
Hotair ^ | 02/13/2014 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Will Sochi be the last Winter Olympics? Has the Earth run out of snow? Readers on the east coast may find this essay from The Atlantic’s Ian Freidman a little ironic today, but he warned just as the snowstorm hit the entire East Coast that global warming was making the Winter Olympics potentially extinct, and that Sochi proves his point:

One of the warmest Winter Olympics in history is getting warmer.

Temperatures reached the low-60s today in Sochi, and they’re expected to stay there on Thursday and Friday. For some perspective, the weather in the coastal resort is now roughly as warm as it was during certaindays of London’s Summer Games in 2012. According to Forecast.io, the average temperature for the Sochi Olympics so far has been 45 degrees Fahrenheit, three degrees lower than the average during the previous Warmest Winter Olympics Ever: the 2010 Vancouver Games. But Sochi’s highs have been higher than Vancouver’s. And Vancouver’s daily average never rose above 50 degrees, while Sochi’s has surpassed that level several times.

All this creates issues. Like mush, which the American snowboarder Shaun White cursedshortly before failing to medal in the relatively cool mountains outside Sochi. Organizers are now compensating for the lack of hard snow with awintery mix of chemicals, water injections, andstrategic snow reserves. Hundreds of snow cannons stand ready in case of emergency.

This week, however, over 100 Olympians, 85 of them American, blamed more than warm weather for the poor conditions. The real culprit, the athletes said in a statement, is climate change—and world leaders better do something about it during climate talks in Paris next year. “Snow conditions are becoming much more inconsistent, weather patterns more erratic, and what was once a topic for discussion is now reality and fact,” U.S. cross-country skier Andrew Newell wrote. “Our climate is changing and we are losing our winters.”

First, let’s start with the inherent assumption that Sochi was a reasonable venue for a Winter Olympics in the first place. It wasn’t, and its selection by the IOC raised eyebrows at the time for this very reason. Russia had to promise that they could keep the slopes snowy in order to win the bid, and so far that’s not been an easy task. While many think Russia is all about snowy winters, especially for those who know the history of large armies marching on Moscow, it might help to see a map of Sochi’s location:

sochi-map

That’s Sochi — at nearly the southernmost part of Russia, on the Black Sea. It’s not Siberia or even Moscow, and it’s not even close. The driving distance between Sochi and Moscow is more than a thousand miles, slightly longer than the distance between Los Angeles and Portland, Oregon. It’s roughly the same latitude as southern France, and well below the latitude of London, which Friedman uses as a comparison.

As a quick piece of research demonstrates, the temperatures noted by Friedman for this Olympiad are in fact the average temperature for Sochi at this time of year. The February average for Sochi is 42.8 degrees, and the average daily high is 49, with a low of 37. That’s a pretty poor choice for a Winter Olympics venue that has to rely on a lot of snow sticking to the ground, let alone falling at all. Even London is colder than Sochi on average (41.5 degrees, hi/lo 46.9/36.1). For that matter, so is the 2010 Winter Olympics venue, Vancouver (40.8 degrees, 46.7/34.8), which as Friedman notes was another head-scratching choice by the IOC.

So yes, if the IOC insists on picking warmer-weather sites for its Winter Olympics, then the games will have trouble with snow. Perhaps they should consider the actual climate of their potential sites before picking them in the future. Given that the IOC selected this site, in a region where violent unrest and terrorism are rampant, I’m not too confident that they’ll make better decisions on any basis in the future.

Update: Just for fun, let’s look at the weather conditions today at the last few venues of the Winter Olympics:

Basically, all of these venues are sticking close to their averages, with Lillehammer the only one skewing warmer by any significance — and it’s still going to snow tonight in Lillehammer.

Also, I forgot to hat-tip John Ekdahl at Ace for the story.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: climate; olympics; sochi; winter
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1 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess they could hold them in Atlanta.


2 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:49 AM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not have it here in South Carolina?

We got half a foot of snow.


4 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:19 AM PST by struggle
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To: SeekAndFind
Weather is climate when it proves climate change.

Weather is not climate when it disproves climate change.

Never mind the harsh winters happening throughout the world, we only care about the places that are unseasonably mild.

5 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Colorado has so much snow that we are having serious avalanche problems right now.


6 posted on 02/13/2014 10:51:13 AM PST by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

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7 posted on 02/13/2014 10:51:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We're All Going To Die ! ! ! !


8 posted on 02/13/2014 10:52:00 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “global warming” idiots just can’t give up their made-up scare.


9 posted on 02/13/2014 10:52:20 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s 44 in northeast Florida this afternoon.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 10:52:26 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind
We may run out of winter for the Winter Olympics (Will Sochi be the last one?)

Atlanta 2018.

11 posted on 02/13/2014 10:52:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: Politically Correct
Yeah, we here in Chiberia (Chicago) would love to run out of winter.
12 posted on 02/13/2014 10:53:40 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SeekAndFind

~~~The Atlantic: We may run out of winter for the Winter Olympics (Will Sochi be the last one?)~~~

I’m all for it if we’re guaranteed to not have six more weeks of Bob Costas.


13 posted on 02/13/2014 10:53:46 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having lived in the Tri Lakes of the Adirondacks during the 90 Olympics when they were quite literally trucking snow up Whiteface Mountain and across the Olympic venues, I think these idiots need a reality check.

There’s a lot more snow now than then. So how does that square with the AGW thing?


14 posted on 02/13/2014 10:53:49 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

We could solve this by building a permanent facility, oh, I dunno, somewhere near McMurdo Station.


15 posted on 02/13/2014 10:54:09 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: struggle

I live on a gold course here in SC. Plenty of snow on the ground. I’m sure this would make an excellent venue for cross country skiing!


16 posted on 02/13/2014 10:54:20 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Norm Lenhart

EVIL TYPO...80 olympics...


17 posted on 02/13/2014 10:54:40 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Weather is climate when it proves climate change.
Weather is not climate when it disproves climate change.”

Exactly.


18 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:04 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SeekAndFind

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NY would be so snowed in today that you IDIOTS would have to suspend the Olympics until the SNOW AND ICE stopped falling... IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:10 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Has the Earth run out of snow?

I remember a bunch of years ago the European World Cup ski racing circuit was cancelled due to lack of snow........It was a rare event and hasn't been duplicated.

20 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:12 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: Zathras

We do all realize that Sochi is a beach resort town and, since it on the Black Sea, probably about the warmest city in mother Russia. If I tried to run the winter Olympics at Big Bear ski resort I might get some crappy snow conditions too.


21 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:26 AM PST by thorvaldr
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So, The Atlantic says that global warming is the cause for the warming at Sochi....Never mind the palm trees that grow there in their “subtropic climate”...Those must’ve just popped up...Uh-huh.....

Next, the OIC is going to select Montego Bay, Jamaica for the 2018 Winter Olympics.....


22 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:39 AM PST by JW1949
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Heads, I win.
Tails, you lose.


23 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:45 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SeekAndFind

So if the first Winter Olympics had been held in the Sahara Desert there would have never been a second one? Where do they get these people?


24 posted on 02/13/2014 10:55:52 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: SeekAndFind

Also sochi is a moderate climate that is totally unsuitable for Winter Games... look on their webpage... they are a SUMMER RESORT!


25 posted on 02/13/2014 10:56:20 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Bryanw92
It’s 44 in northeast Florida this afternoon.

It's a brisk 74 right now down here in southern Florida. Global warming's gotten so bad we haven't had any snow at all down here this year.

26 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:00 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: SeekAndFind

Is the author connected to the internet or tv? Our country is covered in show. Never let reality affect a good leftist scare tactic, though.


27 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:30 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well some may say picking a subtropical beach resort for the Winter Olympics was a epically stupid idea, but the fat cats on the IOC are very grateful for Putin’s wonderful, uh, er, ... generosity. And I must say I haven’t seen palm trees at a Winter Olympics venue before. Hey, what about Los Angeles?


28 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:39 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SeekAndFind

Plenty of snow here...

29 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:39 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m guessing the Olympics were not held in Moscow or St. Petersburg because there aren’t any mountains nearby. Would any cities in the Urals be suitable?


30 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:48 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lol @ the lunacy and dishonesty of mankind.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 11:01:12 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This just in: climate scientists are alarmed at recent reports that the summer Olympics are much warmer than the winter Games.


32 posted on 02/13/2014 11:03:37 AM PST by IronJack
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To: SeekAndFind

The winter “Olympics” are doomed! Doomed I tell ya!!! After Sochi, I think they could easily be replaced with a “Gay Pride” parade and people would still watch. At least until “the next big thing” comes along. The world is having a love affair with sexual deviants right now.


33 posted on 02/13/2014 11:06:02 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sochi is not the ideal place for the winter Olympics. It is fairly warm.

But, I envison it much like Santiago, Chile.

70 degrees in the city. 45 minutes away and 9,500 feet up 30-50all day and snow like glass as ride and like feathers when you fall.

Might be an agenda in this story.

Sochi is like that.

The city sits at sea and the actual skiing is 30 minutes untie mountain by train.

So what is the temp at the ski runs?


34 posted on 02/13/2014 11:06:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Bryanw92

That’s more than 20 degrees below average for this time of year.


35 posted on 02/13/2014 11:06:51 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yes, and as of today, 49 of our 50 states have snow. Florida is the only state without any snow on the ground.


36 posted on 02/13/2014 11:07:03 AM PST by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too funny. Check out northern Michigan.


37 posted on 02/13/2014 11:09:42 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Zathras
Isn't this funny??

Over half of U.S. covered in snow: See which Michigan city has most snow east of the Rockies

38 posted on 02/13/2014 11:12:10 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: SeekAndFind
This week, however, over 100 Olympians, 85 of them American, blamed more than warm weather for the poor conditions. The real culprit, the athletes said in a statement, is climate change

Oh, brother...

39 posted on 02/13/2014 11:18:05 AM PST by Drew68
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To: SeekAndFind

Lake Placid, NY. Feb

Average Hi: 32°F
Average Low: 8°F
Mean 20°F
Average Precipitation: 2.24 in.
Record Feb Hi: 62°F (2000)
Record Feb Low: -37°F (1979)

Currently 23°F with 3-6 inches of snow through the day


40 posted on 02/13/2014 11:19:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll bet a lot of cavemen said this same exact thing at the end of the last Ice Age.


41 posted on 02/13/2014 11:21:25 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Atlantic.....filled with garbage, old fish, crabs and s**t. It’s also the name of an ocean.


42 posted on 02/13/2014 11:23:55 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t recall Odyseus complaining about frigid winters at Troy (39.9 N)and it sat on similar latitudes as Sochi (43.4 N). The difference is about 200 miles or a 3 1/2 hour drive (like from Austin to Dallas, TX). What were the Russians and the Olympic committee thinking when they chose a southern location in Russia. I’ll bet Putin wanted to turn Sochi into a future resort area for the West. That was a good plan. But if so, why were the hotels and infrastructure not ready? Some of Russia’s lower managers are surely in trouble. Maybe they’ll take a vacation in the comfortable camps in Siberia. Putin could have pulled off an impressive event had it gone well.

Also, if these global warming cranks think they can accurately predict climate into future decades, they could make some real money working as weather announcers because they are usually wrong on the weather for next week.


43 posted on 02/13/2014 11:24:47 AM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Norm Lenhart

Rising temperatures are a symptom of AGW.
Falling temperatures are a symptom of AGW.
Steady temperatures are a symptom of AGW.
Droughts are a symptom of AGW.
Floods are a symptom of AGW.
Rivers flowing within their natural banks are a symptom of AGW.
Early Summer is a symptom of AGW.
Late Summer is a sign of AGW.
My cat having kittens is a sign of AGW.

(OK, I made that last one up.)

Quite a racket, huh? They can’t lose with that setup.


44 posted on 02/13/2014 11:25:35 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Drew68
>> 85 of them American, blamed more than warm weather for the poor conditions. The real culprit, the athletes said in a statement, is climate change Oh, brother... <<

Apparently the American athletes haven't spent much time in their home country this winter, otherwise they'd notice the snow and here in the United States is the coldest its been in 30 years. I could sure use some "global warming" after weeks of snow storm after snow storm.

45 posted on 02/13/2014 11:26:55 AM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: struggle

But in SC, a snow board is what you use to move the snow out of the way so that you can get into the outhouse.


46 posted on 02/13/2014 11:30:04 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Look hard enough and you will find a study about the CO2 expelled during cat birth is a contributing factor to AGW.

Remember Cow and termite flatuence are. Why not cats too?


47 posted on 02/13/2014 11:30:34 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

Sochi is the same latitude as the French Riviera.


48 posted on 02/13/2014 11:30:50 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Vendome

For the women’s downhill is was 30’s at the top and 50’s at the bottom. Generally spring skiing conditions.


49 posted on 02/13/2014 11:31:36 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: SeekAndFind
Has anyone considered that the IOC may be picking warmer locations on purpose to further the perception of things getting warmer to a wide audience?
50 posted on 02/13/2014 11:33:21 AM PST by DB
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