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Russian Lawmaker: ĎJews Destroyed Russiaí
INN ^ | 2/14/2014, 12:13 AM | Ari Yashar

Posted on 02/13/2014 4:40:43 PM PST by Olog-hai

A Russian Member of Parliament (MP) burst out in an anti-Semitic tirade last Thursday, attacking other Russian lawmakers as “Jews” responsible for the 1917 Communist revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Oleg Bolychev, an MP from the ruling United Russia party, called his opponents “Jews, mired in opposition,” during a debate at the regional parliament in Kaliningrad, reports AFP.

“At the start of the 1990s, foreign spies were infiltrated into our government who oversaw the destruction of our state,” claimed Bolychev. “You destroyed our country in 1917 and you destroyed our country in 1991.” …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; antizionism; communism; jews; scapegoating; ussr
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1 posted on 02/13/2014 4:40:43 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Trotsky Beria Is he wrong?


2 posted on 02/13/2014 4:44:13 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Olog-hai

I guess the Jews are the George W Bush of world history.


3 posted on 02/13/2014 4:44:34 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Olog-hai

One thing about it, since Barry the messiah wannabe got “elected”, the hate in the world seems to have tripled. Good job Barry!


4 posted on 02/13/2014 4:48:27 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: Olog-hai

The parrot in the coal mine.


5 posted on 02/13/2014 4:48:38 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai

One can argue that the Jews have been at the root of almost anything that has gone wrong in the world.

Now, just because one can cherry pick the evidence doesn’t make it fact.

On gets sooooo tired of it....the Jews, whitey, et. al. are the root of all evil in the world.

When the reality is it is the left-tards who are the root of all the world’s ills.


6 posted on 02/13/2014 4:50:39 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Olog-hai

If he wants to blame someone, blame the WWI German government, who after the February Revolution ran Lenin and other communist leaders into Russia in a black op to destabilize the government. One of the most successful operations in history.


7 posted on 02/13/2014 4:51:59 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Olog-hai

So he’s saying that the Jews brought about Communism, which poisoned the country’s productivity, but he’s also saying that Jews also destroyed the USSR which obviously was a positive contribution to Russia. So if we go with the idea that the Jews brought about Communist rule, then we also have to go along with the idea that the Jews destroyed Communism..So the Jews are, according to this nutjob, responsible for Russia’s rebirth, no?


8 posted on 02/13/2014 4:55:34 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crused it. -M. Twain)
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To: Olog-hai

We’ve seen this movie.


9 posted on 02/13/2014 4:58:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Olog-hai

Gee, neither Lenin or Stalin were Jews. Maybe they were just minor functionaries for the Bolsheveks.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 5:01:15 PM PST by driftless2
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To: muir_redwoods

Old Idea—when trouble exists—blame it on the Jews. Ancient idea, and one that still works so it seems.


11 posted on 02/13/2014 5:04:02 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: driftless2

Lenin and Stalin—they were secret Jews! The worst kind! That includes Hitler too.


12 posted on 02/13/2014 5:05:52 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: driftless2

Aside from this being a “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” redux (produced in Russia), this is most likely an oblique reference to Karl Marx’s lineage, his father (born Herschel Mordechai, later Heinrich Marx) being a convert from Judaism to Lutheranism. (Karl himself became an atheist.)


13 posted on 02/13/2014 5:05:59 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“responsible for the 1917 Communist revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.”

Wouldn’t these two be mutually exclusive?


14 posted on 02/13/2014 5:08:35 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

There were a number of Jewish Bolsheviks like Trotksy, Kamenev, Zinoviev, and some others, but to say the communist takeovers of the last century were Jewish influenced is a typical example of crude anti-Semitism. Do these people think the Chinese communists were Jews as well?


15 posted on 02/13/2014 5:18:34 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai

Martin Luther (of Protestantism fame) had some wicked things to say about the Jews.


16 posted on 02/13/2014 5:27:52 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Olog-hai
ya mean like Marx and Lenin...
17 posted on 02/13/2014 5:33:05 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: driftless2

It’d be quite a stretch to call Kim Jong-un Jewish . . .


18 posted on 02/13/2014 5:36:32 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I don’t believe Comrade Beria was Jewish. Yagoda, the third head of the Reds’ secret police was the only Jewish head of the Cheka-GPU-OGPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB that I know of.


19 posted on 02/13/2014 5:49:36 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: driftless2
One very prominent Jewish Bolshevik that can be added to that list was Stalin's hatchet man of collectivization, “Iron Lazar” Kaganovich, a guy who died at a very old age with the blood of a lot of innocent Russian and Ukrainian farmers on his hands.
20 posted on 02/13/2014 6:00:23 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Politicalkiddo

One can certainly say that Jews were very disproportionately represented in the Communist ranks, the Jews after all had good reason to loathe the Tsar. It is also fair to say that among the oligarchs who cashed in big time in 1991 and made vast fortunes buying up government assets at fire-sale prices Jews were again very disproportionately represented.

Neither statement is mutually contradictory. The same can also be said of pre-WWII Germany where Jews were over-represented among the leading capitalists and communists.

They were also over-represented in the ranks of musicians, scholars, lawyers, doctors etc so what conclusion to draw? I have no idea.

I live in SE Asia and the Chinese community have a similar profile here, over-represented in the business community, media, medicine etc and resented equally as much and just as much blamed for all society’s ills (oddly enough the Chinese were also to the forefront in Communist agitation in the 50’s and 60’s). I believe in Africa the Indians fit the same bill.

If an ethnic community gets a reputation for opting for professions where brainpower rather than brawn (you don’t see too many Chinese in Malaysia or Indonesia tending rice paddies or on building sites) then it is only human nature that they will end up being resented, unfairly, for their success.

I dare say the wealthy in their gated communities and air-conditioned malls can live with such resentment, it’s a bit harder on those further down the totem pole running their small shop or enterprise who face the day to day reality of such resentment.


21 posted on 02/13/2014 6:07:02 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: Olog-hai

All due respect jews really contribute to Russia history their music arts and military

If wasn’t the Pograms and Communism they probably still jews in Russia


22 posted on 02/13/2014 6:22:10 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Ouderkirk
One can argue that the Jews have been at the root of almost anything that has gone wrong in the world.

I would argue the reverse.

23 posted on 02/13/2014 7:06:05 PM PST by Misterioso (Narcissism is the belief in nothing, masquerading as tolerance of everything. - Ayn Rand)
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To: driftless2
There were a number of Jewish Bolsheviks like Trotksy, Kamenev, Zinoviev,

The vicious anti-Semite Stalin, eventually bumped all of them off.

24 posted on 02/13/2014 7:08:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: James C. Bennett

He wasn’t the only one. there were Catholics who weren’t terribly philo-Semitic.


25 posted on 02/13/2014 7:31:43 PM PST by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Beria was a Georgian, like Stalin, not a Jew.


26 posted on 02/13/2014 7:32:06 PM PST by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: Olog-hai

In several ways he is correct, but it’s too simple a glance at history. Because of a tirade, he will simply be dismissed as a kook.

Yes, Jews were the backbone of the Communist movement in Russia.
Yes, Jew made up the vast majority of commissars and political murders for the Reds.
Yes, the slaughter of almost one million Ethnic Germans in the Polish wars of 1920-23 by the Jewish-led Reds was a large factor in the Jewish hatred in Germany.

But, the Jews were also the most oppressed, abused, and murdered ethnic group under the Tsars, (and the rest of Europe, for that matter.)

That they gravitated enmass to the “Eat-The-Rich” rhetoric of the Communists really isn’t surprising. (look at blacks and Democrats today, for example.)

Got a plague? Blame the Jews.
Drought? Blame the Jews.
Economic downturn? Blame the Jews, etc,etc, and.
Any kind of civil unrest? Blame the jews....


27 posted on 02/13/2014 7:43:57 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dfwgator

Not all. Look at Lazar Kaganovitch. He was a Jew and he apparently remained in Stalin’s favor until Joe’s death. Kaganovitch died in 1991, and he was one of the original Bolsheviks.


28 posted on 02/13/2014 7:54:27 PM PST by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: Olog-hai; All

Anybody notice the debate took place in the former territory and kingdom known as Prussia ? There’s been reports of unrest in that aquired territory resettled by Russians including they prefer speaking German.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 9:27:51 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Olog-hai; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 9:47:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: muir_redwoods
well, the root cause of this is from 3 sources -- in Western Europe from what happened in Spain when the Moors invaded and Jews continued to work as before under the Moslems. the second are the prejudices from Byzantium which remembered the Kitos revolts -- major revolts by diasporic Jews in north africa and cyprus in 170s, where there was a widespread slaughter of Roman citizens and others (200,000 in N Africa, 240,000 in Cyprus according to Cassius Dio) by the Jewish rebels.

The third, which tied in to the above two was in 1793 when Russia swallowed the eastern half of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Until that time there were few Jews in Russia, while 60% of the worlds Jews or more lived in Poland. The Russians didn't understand this new group and demonised it.

This had the effect of creating a vicious circle -- Jews were marginalized and brutalised (well, most of Russia was) and they eventually moved against this in the late 1800s being drawn to an idea of equality for all -- remember that some, SOME of the earliest socialist ideas are things we now take for granted as equality for all etc. This then influenced the stereotype of the Jew as the "other" and a vicious circle

31 posted on 02/14/2014 1:18:40 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Politicalkiddo
This is based on the fact that Jews and Caucasians (Georgians, Armenians etc) had a higher percentage in the politburo compared to their numbers on the ground -- this could be because they were also more likely to be educated.

And Russians prey on the fact that a number of early Soviet leaders were non-russian. Not only Trotsky (Jewish), but Georgians: Stalin, Beria, then Macedonians: Georgy Malenkov, then Ukrainians: Brezhnew, Andropov, Chernenko

But they forget that while these were "highlight", the majority of the party were Russians -- it's easier to scapegoat a minority

32 posted on 02/14/2014 1:24:12 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: driftless2
Stalin was Georgian, as was Beria. Trotsky was of Jewish origin and was the brains of the early Soviet Union. If it wasn't for Trotsky, the Bolsheviks would have collapsed in 1919 -- the Bolshies had been killing off Army officers, so when the Russian civil war broke out, the Bolshies could not defend the borders. If they tried putting in army officers, they promptly defected to the White Army. So Trotsky put in a system of a commanding officer + political commissar.

however, his brilliance meant that Trotsky was a rival to Stalin, so when Stalin killed his way to the top, he had to demonize his opponent (read Animal Farm) and thanks to Stalin's bloodthirsty nature (he 'out-killed' Hitler and is only rivaled by Mao and Timur-e-Lang) Jews were as a whole targetted once more

33 posted on 02/14/2014 1:27:57 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: driftless2
There were a number of Jewish Bolsheviks like Trotksy, Kamenev, Zinoviev, and some others, but to say the communist takeovers of the last century were Jewish influenced is a typical example of crude anti-Semitism. Do these people think the Chinese communists were Jews as well?

correct. Jews were and are brilliant. It was natural that they would rise to the top in a country that had a number of them, yet restricted what they could do, so they had only one option available - revolt..

34 posted on 02/14/2014 1:29:24 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; driftless2
True, as were the initial leaders of the UB (KGB's counterpart in communist Poland) and the leaders of the Hungarian Socialist republic

But people who just target the Jews for this forget the vast numbers of non-Jews who were also communism's leading lights.

35 posted on 02/14/2014 1:31:09 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Masterfully written

Jews, Indians and Chinese are smart and that breeds resentment

it's tragiccomic that in the inter-war years Jews were demonized by capitalists as communists, while communists took the Rothschilds as an example to demonize Jews on their side. The poor Jews in their shtethls who didn't know Marx or the Rothschilds was attacked by both sides.

36 posted on 02/14/2014 1:34:42 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: dfwgator; driftless2

Stalin was many things, but not anti-Semite. He just hated everyone and killed everyone — an equal opportunities killer.


37 posted on 02/14/2014 1:40:17 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: tcrlaf
Sorry, but this is an exaggeration

Yes, Jews were the backbone of the Communist movement in Russia.
Yes, Jew made up the vast majority of commissars and political murders for the Reds.
Yes, the slaughter of almost one million Ethnic Germans in the Polish wars of 1920-23 by the Jewish-led Reds was a large factor in the Jewish hatred in Germany.

1. they were not the backbone. A significant part of the back-bone, but not THE back-bone

2. They did not make the vast majority -- they did make the largest number though and above their % of the population

3. 1 million ethnic Germans slaughtered in the Polish wars? Really? i haven't read that -- but I may be wrong. Can you explain further?

38 posted on 02/14/2014 1:42:48 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

From what I’ve read he might have been anti-Semitic. “The Doctors Plot” was a campaign generated by Stalin in the early ‘50s to get rid of prominent Jews who were supposedly conspiring to murder Soviet leaders...like Dear Uncle Joe. Fortunately, Stalin croaked before a lot of innocent people could be imprisoned and/or murdered. One week after he died, the campaign was dropped by the authorities.


39 posted on 02/14/2014 3:29:20 AM PST by driftless2
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40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:28:34 AM PST by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: tcrlaf

Your statements are a bit strong.

Yes, there were a lot of Jews in the Communist Party in Russia. The question is “why”?

Well, there are two primary reasons:

1. The Communist told a good lie about treating all people equally. This was a very powerful Siren’s call to a peoples that was oppressed regularly and viciously like the Jews in Russia.

2. The opposition of the time were extreme Russian Nationalists like the Black Hundreds — “Russia for Russians” was their cry — and they made Hitler look like an amateur in their anti-Semitism. So, of course, Jews took shelter in the Communist Party. The Communist Party at the time looked like the lesser of the evils.

Of course, what happened was ultimately a combination of the Russian Nationalism with Communism, much as Hitler joined socialism with nationalism -— resulting in mass deportations of the Russian Jewish populations to Sibera and death camps which out-did the Germans.


41 posted on 02/14/2014 7:45:39 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Cronos

The slaughter of the Polish Wars gets lost in the fog of history, but it played a huge role in the origins of WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War


42 posted on 02/14/2014 9:32:24 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

And remember, all of this was going on while the Spanish Flu was sweeping around the globe, and commanded the headlines, as well.


43 posted on 02/14/2014 9:35:55 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Olog-hai
"...foreign spies were infiltrated into our government who oversaw the destruction of our state..."

Oh goody..it's name your scapegoat day in Russia again.

Yes, Jews were "foreign", throughout history, every place they went. Yes, they infiltrated....the honest way, through hard work and education.

But spies? Spies because they held a different position than the one(s) being held by the accuser? Me thinks somebody needs their meds.

And furthermore, why is there so much confusion on this thread about Jews in different positions throughout history? Why is it that everyone in the US believes that Jews are monolithic, cast from a single piece of material? This is a flaw in the logical structure of any argument or discussion about Jews. Jews have varying political beliefs like any other group.

And yes, anyone who works hard and studies will "rise to the top" of any movement they follow, Communist, Capitalist, beach-bum...you name it. So yes, at one time, it can be said that Jews were at the top, (in small numbers of course) of most sides of everything...so what?

Bring on the 'Protocols of Zion', that'al fix a whole lot'a mess for every lazy politician in any number of nations, including Russia.

...sheesh/Rant off.

44 posted on 02/14/2014 11:56:01 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Cronos

Considering how badly the Czarist regime treated Russian Jews it’s a wonder that there wasn’t more Trotskys and Kaganovichs.


45 posted on 02/14/2014 4:47:45 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Yes, he is. Bolsheviks got a small amount of Jewish voted in 1917. As a percentage far more Latvians supported them. The Bolsheviks could never have won without the Latvian Rifle Regiments or the German high command, which brought the Bolshevik leadership back to Russia, armed and funded them


46 posted on 02/15/2014 2:49:58 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Jacob Kell; tcrlaf
Stalin kept a Jewish henchman as his killer. He got to murder Soviets of all ethnicities and use Kaganovich as a shield to deflect anger onto his Jewish antisemite. This was meant to help with ignorant Soviets with old antisemtic pathologies, but it seems to work with Westerners too.
Judaism was banned in the USSR just like Christianity. Stalin turned away Jews fleeing the Nazis and sent others into Gulags. Only when Hitler invaded did he drag them into the front lines to be canon fodder. Stalin planned to send Jews on a death march to Siberia when he died. Look up the "Doctor's Plot"
47 posted on 02/15/2014 3:01:23 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: tcrlaf
Yes, Jews were the backbone of the Communist movement in Russia. Yes, Jew made up the vast majority of commissars and political murders for the Reds.
No, they didn't. Communism was an atheist cult, dedicated to the destruction of Judaism and Jewishness from the time of Marx onwards. Judaism was banned in the Soviet union. There Soviets set up the Yevsektsiya (Jewish Section" dedicated to the "destruction of traditional Jewish life, the Zionist movement, and Hebrew culture". Even this was not enough for the Jew hater Stalin, who liquidated these apostate persecuters of Jews. Apostate former Jews were by no means the backboke the Bolsheviks or the vast majority of commissars and political murders for the Reds.

Antisemites made this claim to protect the German High Command who installed the Bolsheviks and who used antisemitism to fight communism, crippling the anticommunist movement.

48 posted on 02/15/2014 3:33:17 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: PotatoHeadMick
...in SE Asia and the Chinese community have a similar profile here, over-represented in the business community, media, medicine etc and resented equally as much and just as much blamed for all society’s ills (oddly enough the Chinese were also to the forefront in Communist agitation in the 50’s and 60’s).

Interesting points. I've heard that the Chinese actually will refer to themselves as east Asia's "Jews," for all the reasons you point out.

In 15th C. Spain, Jewish people who had survived (and often thrived) under the Moors, tended to be the best educated, most competent subjects of the Christian Spanish crown--and were "over-represented" in leadership roles of all kinds....and the Christian Spanish got jealous. Along with fighting the Moors, Jews too started to become targets, culminating later in the Spanish Inquisition.... so that with the ejection of the Moors in 1492, also came the forced ejection (or forced "conversion") of the Jews.

Apparently today 20%+ of Spanish men have Semitic (Jewish or Moorish) DNA...

49 posted on 02/16/2014 6:33:57 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!)
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To: tcrlaf

yet there was no 1 million Germans killed...


50 posted on 02/16/2014 9:33:27 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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