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Being gay IS in your genes, say scientists in controversial new DNA study
Daily Mail ^ | February 13, 2014 | Fiona Macrae

Posted on 02/13/2014 8:45:00 PM PST by Pinkbell

Being gay could be in the DNA.

Scientists have found two stretches of DNA linked to homosexuality in men.

The confirmation of the existence of a ‘gay gene’ or genes will strengthen arguments that homosexuality is a matter of biology, rather than choice.

However, it also raises the prospect of a genetic test that could be used by insurance companies to discriminate against clients or by pregnant women to abort gay babies.

In the study, Chicago University researchers analysed the DNA of more than 400 pairs of gay brothers, recruited at Gay Pride festivals at marches over several years.

This revealed flagged up two pieces of DNA that seem to be linked to homosexuality.

It is not known which of the many genes they contain are key or how they affect the development of sexual orientation.

However, the result, revealed at the American Association for the Advancement of Science’s prestigious annual conference, backs up a contentious 1993 study.

That research, the first to find evidence of a ‘gay gene’, created a storm of controversy, which was further fuelled when other scientists failed to find a genetic link.

Dr Michael Bailey from Northwestern University in Illinois, who contributed to the latest study, said it is the biggest of its kind.

He added: ‘Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice. Our findings suggest there may be genes at play – we found evidence for two sets that affect whether a man is gay or straight.

‘Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, it would not be very accurate, as there are other factors that can influence the outcome.’

Despite this, he would not would not object to a prenatal test being developed.

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I look forward to comments from FReepers knowledgeable in science. I will say from a Biblical standpoint that if this is true, it won't change anything. The Catholic Church has doctrine on the purpose of sex and marriage that won't change.

He said: ‘Clearly parents should not be allowed to torture or kill babies. But they can currently choose to terminate a pregnancy early on, so they should be allowed to have as much information on the future child as possible.’

Wouldn't it be quite ironic that two liberal pillars contradict each other so. The irony is also that the intolerant conservatives who are pro-life and opposed to gay marriage would keep their child regardless because they are pro-life. I would.

1 posted on 02/13/2014 8:45:01 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell
Despite this, he would not would not object to a prenatal test being developed.

It seems his mind is definitely made up on this matter.

2 posted on 02/13/2014 8:46:45 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Pinkbell

we already have proof it isn’t genetic (ie hard-coded).

Identical twin studies have shown when one is gay, the other is only gay about 50% of the time.

If it was hardcoded and immutable, unchangeable, the second twin would have to be gay 100% of the time.

The fact it isn’t shows there is no hardcoding that people simply cannot help but be gay.


3 posted on 02/13/2014 8:47:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If you have a code to not procreate, then how to you continue the code?


4 posted on 02/13/2014 8:49:20 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Genes are just one part of the story. Then there’s epigenetics. Gene expression based on external triggers, and so on.


5 posted on 02/13/2014 8:50:14 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Pinkbell
Our findings suggest there may be genes at play

Note the verbiage.
6 posted on 02/13/2014 8:50:52 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Pinkbell

It’s inevitable that there will be a Nobel prize for someone can make a convincing case that he/she has found the “gay gene.”


7 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:04 PM PST by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Pinkbell
The confirmation of the existence of a ‘gay gene’ or genes will strengthen arguments that homosexuality is a matter of biology, rather than choice.

While a homosexual attractions might be a matter of biology, homosexual actions are always a matter of choice.

8 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:10 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Pinkbell

I doubt this study. The size of the tests conducted by New Zealand’s top geneticists, collating studies from Sweden to Australia to the USA, spoke for themselves. Conducted on identical twins,less than 10% of cases found both twins to be homosexuals.

There is a double edged sword here for the homosexuals. That being that if they do locate some kind of switch that makes someone homosexual, it really isn’t long before they are able to turn it off, and an even shorter span of time (as alluded to in the article) before there can be prenatal tests and subsequent abortions, inevitable in western society.

And should they discover a gene therapy that cures homosexuality, what will our government do? Ban it?

There are far-reaching implications, but as I say, I think this study will come up bunk.


9 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:11 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Army Air Corps

By forcing marriage onto the unwilling.

Arranged marriages were the historical norm until after the industrial revolution.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:11 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Pinkbell

i read a study that said global warming is genetic


11 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:12 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Army Air Corps

True. The title makes it sound absolute, but the contents of the article let on that this isn’t definite.


12 posted on 02/13/2014 8:52:13 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Army Air Corps

Any real geneticist or population biologist would agree.


13 posted on 02/13/2014 8:53:28 PM PST by Regulator
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To: James C. Bennett

arranged marriages

shotgun

its a nice day for a

white wedding


14 posted on 02/13/2014 8:54:10 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Pinkbell
Our findings suggest there may be genes at play...

Uh huh.

Homosexuality is just as in-born as any other psychological disorder.

15 posted on 02/13/2014 8:54:17 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: Pinkbell

****‘Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, ****

And this will really cause the lib parents to have a conflict. Abort or not. Wonder how the LGBT community will feel when they see their own “kind” being flushed down the toilet.

I can almost see the posts on lib web sites now...”I’m in favor of unlimited abortion, but in this case....”


16 posted on 02/13/2014 8:54:35 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Pinkbell
they used a study group of two gay brothers at a gay free for all......are there other brothers who are not gay?....does this mean ALL gay men will have gay brothers?....

I find lots of questions about this so called study.....

yes, I'm sure nature has its place...nuture has its place too...

learned behavior has its place as well....

personally, I find it hard how a human being born to procreate would have such an abnormality that it would not want to procreate....if this was the animal world, that abnormality would be selected out....

17 posted on 02/13/2014 8:55:37 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Army Air Corps
Outstanding, AAC!



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O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

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18 posted on 02/13/2014 8:56:17 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
we already have proof it isn’t genetic (ie hard-coded).

Identical twin studies have shown when one is gay, the other is only gay about 50% of the time.

If it was hardcoded and immutable, unchangeable, the second twin would have to be gay 100% of the time.

The fact it isn’t shows there is no hardcoding that people simply cannot help but be gay.

It's not the presence of the gene - it's the activation.

19 posted on 02/13/2014 8:57:16 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Pinkbell
will strengthen arguments that homosexuality is a matter of biology, rather than choice.

So, homosexuality is a genetic defect (a defect in the genes which drive us to mate with the appropriate mates in order to keep the species alive and well).

It's a defect which can be overcome with proper parenting and education.

20 posted on 02/13/2014 9:00:23 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Pinkbell

Oh, whatever! And global warming is gonna kill us all ... because science.


21 posted on 02/13/2014 9:00:43 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Viennacon

And should they discover a gene therapy that cures homosexuality, what will our government do? Ban it?”

I can foresee at least THIS government protecting the expression of the homosexual gene. If there are prenatal tests for this that develop, it would most likely be made illegal to abort a baby based on the identification of the homosexual gene.

Homosexuals have been made a protected class, so it only figures that this practice would continue.


22 posted on 02/13/2014 9:00:46 PM PST by MNGal
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To: Army Air Corps; All
Note the verbiage.

Global warming alarmism comes to mind.

23 posted on 02/13/2014 9:02:48 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Steely Tom
It’s inevitable that there will be a Nobel prize for someone can make a convincing case that he/she has found the “gay gene.”

There won't be a "gay gene". It will be a defect in the genes which control our desire to reproduce. The desire to attempt to reproduce with someone of the same gender is obviously a defect, and not a feature.

24 posted on 02/13/2014 9:03:26 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Pinkbell

They have found that with psychopathy, it happens if three conditions exist. The first condition is that you need the brain of a potential psychopath. Then you need the violent experiences that can turn people into more violent versions of themselves. Then you need his inherent nature of not being able to empathize with people. A person who meets these three conditions has a very good chance of becoming a psychopath.

http://www.bubblewrappedchildren.co.uk/blog/q-how-do-you-create-a-violent-psychopath-a-leave-them-with-frozen-terror-created-in-infancy.html

It’s probably similar with homosexuals, because not everybody who was molested by a homosexual will go on to become one themselves.


25 posted on 02/13/2014 9:03:30 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Pinkbell

To what other deviant behaviors — are people genetically predisposed?


26 posted on 02/13/2014 9:04:00 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Army Air Corps

you don’t you’re a genetic dead-end.

but since this isn’t hardcoded it means it’s your learned behavior is why you won’t be poducing babies.


27 posted on 02/13/2014 9:04:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Pinkbell
Dr Michael Bailey from Northwestern University in Illinois, who contributed to the latest study, said it is the biggest of its kind. He added: ‘Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice

This is a political statement, not a scientific conclusion, that goes way beyond the data. An honest scientist would have said, "There is some evidence, that in some cases, homosexuality may have a heritable component."

28 posted on 02/13/2014 9:05:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Amendment10

Indeed.

We all may die a horrible gurgling death by drowning possibly caused by your SUV.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 9:05:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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>> Being homosexual could be in the DNA.

The same could be said for being homicidal.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 9:06:02 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Talisker

but they are exposed to the same stuff livig in the same house with the same parents and such.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 9:06:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Pinkbell

From a religious perspective you can ask for three things on gay...ask for forgiveness...ask for healing....or....ask for blessing. .

So the question is what to ask for..

The world is saying Gay should..ask for blessing... like any other couple....

The world also is saying if you say forgiveness or healing your a bigot guilty of a hate crime..so a genetic or choice is irrelevant to the world. .the world is demanding it be blessed


32 posted on 02/13/2014 9:06:53 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bingo.


33 posted on 02/13/2014 9:07:02 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Pinkbell

“Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, it would not be very accurate, as there are other factors that can influence the outcome.’”

So it is caused by genes but it isn’t really because there are other factors at play, but these factors, by fiat, can’t be anything remotely similar to choices made.

It’s blather.

As far as the actual genetic findings, the article is not published yet.


34 posted on 02/13/2014 9:10:47 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Viennacon

Good comment all the way around.


35 posted on 02/13/2014 9:12:34 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Pinkbell

I have never heard of “Chicago University” but I hope there are no tax payer dollars going to this research as it would violate our religions freedom.


36 posted on 02/13/2014 9:12:41 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Pinkbell

the study appears to be very flawed, only, amazingly not as flawed as what the report says the study means

a genetic study of only admitted “gay” men, cannot prove a genetic cause for being “gay” only because it found certain DNA sequences to have a high degree of commonality among the men in the study

UNLESS it were to also conduct a study in the general population of heterosexual men and NOT find those genetic sequences to be very common among them

otherwise, finding the “common” DNA sequences looking
only at the “gay” men in their study may in fact be a coupled of quite common DNA sequences among MEN, period


37 posted on 02/13/2014 9:13:41 PM PST by Wuli
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By forcing marriage onto the unwilling.

Works for females, not for males. What are you going to do, stand over the bed with a sword and tell him that if he doesn't get it up and ---- the girl you are going to chop him up? Even the most heterosexual of males might find it difficult to perform under those conditions.

38 posted on 02/13/2014 9:14:35 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Army Air Corps

Genetics are more complex than that. Someone can pass down a piece of a code that means certain death for generations and nobody will know until it someday merges (by sex) with another rare code that causes it to be expressed.

That’s why so many debilitating genetic diseases have not been “cleared” from the pool.


39 posted on 02/13/2014 9:14:52 PM PST by varyouga
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To: Secret Agent Man
we already have proof it isn’t genetic (ie hard-coded).

Here's two more pieces of proof: The ex-lebsos Anne Heche and Mrs. Bill DeBlasio.

40 posted on 02/13/2014 9:16:45 PM PST by montag813
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Pinkbell; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Salvation; NYer; Cronos
****‘Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, ****

And this will really cause the lib parents to have a conflict. Abort or not. Wonder how the LGBT community will feel when they see their own “kind” being flushed down the toilet.

I can almost see the posts on lib web sites now...”I’m in favor of unlimited abortion, but in this case....”

I can see GLAAD and NAMBLA and their ilk succesfully lobbying for legislation banning abortion on the basis of that--and only that ONE--genetic test.

41 posted on 02/13/2014 9:17:03 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Pinkbell

Another fake homo-commissioned “study,” no doubt.

How many of these have been debunked so far? Quite a few.


42 posted on 02/13/2014 9:17:08 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: cherry
they used a study group of two gay brothers at a gay free for all......are there other brothers who are not gay?....does this mean ALL gay men will have gay brothers?....

Replace the word "gay" with "red-haired" - do you understand, now?

Mere brothers (as opposed to identical twins) are not genetically identical.

Regards,

43 posted on 02/13/2014 9:18:42 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Pinkbell

If true, 100% of identical twins would share the same sexual predilection.

But they don’t.


44 posted on 02/13/2014 9:19:37 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gene Eric

Don’t know anyone who is, by nature, “hard wired” to NOT sin!


45 posted on 02/13/2014 9:22:51 PM PST by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: varyouga

I understand. Instead of a disease, we are speaking of what would be a code that basically says “Don’t Make More.”


46 posted on 02/13/2014 9:23:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Pinkbell

Science has completely gone off the rails in this brave new political milieu. If it’s not correct, the data will be MADE correct.


47 posted on 02/13/2014 9:23:30 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Also, few people are 100% gay. They may be internally more attracted to men than women but only date women because it is more socially acceptable.

Some very gay men even marry women and have children to avoid social stigma. They imagine they are with a man when having sex. It’s called “staying in the closet”.


48 posted on 02/13/2014 9:24:59 PM PST by varyouga
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To: Pinkbell

I have questions. 1) Does the same gene configuration apply/hold for lesbians? 2) Does the study and authors show/determine that such a gene configuration is a ‘natural’ phenomena? I think about a child that has some deformity; and I think such a deformity might not be a general/genetic trait of the human population yet certainly the child is one of the population of humans.


49 posted on 02/13/2014 9:27:51 PM PST by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: Army Air Corps

Some genetic conditions are recessive in that you need two copies of the gene for it to be expressed. You also have spontaneous mutations which occur at conception, where both parents lacked the gene. You can also have a condition called a mosaic disorder where the defect occurs sometime during development and only some of your genes are effected.


50 posted on 02/13/2014 9:31:37 PM PST by LukeL
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