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Federal judge strikes down Va. ban on gay marriage
The Washington Post ^ | February 13, 2014 | Robert Barnes

Posted on 02/13/2014 11:08:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A federal judge in Norfolk struck down as unconstitutional Virginia’s ban on same-sex marriage Thursday night, saying the country has “arrived upon another moment in history when We the People becomes more inclusive, and our freedom more perfect.”

U.S. District Judge Arenda L. Wright Allen issued a sweeping 41-page opinion that mentioned at length Virginia’s past in denying interracial marriage and quoted Abraham Lincoln. She struck the constitutional amendment Virginia voters approved in 2006 that both bans same-sex marriage and forbids recognition of such unions performed elsewhere.

She stayed her decision pending appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond, meaning same-sex marriages will be not be immediately available in the commonwealth.

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D), who had switched the state’s legal position on the issue and joined two gay couples in asking that the ban be struck down, has said the state will continue to enforce the prohibitions until the legal process is completed.

Wright Allen showed no hesi­ta­tion in overturning the state constitutional amendment, saying none of the reasons proponents offer for denying same-sex marriages make legitimate governmental interests...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; samesexmarriage; virginia
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U.S. District Judge Arenda L. Wright Allen

How many does that make? Obama appointee, of course.

1 posted on 02/13/2014 11:08:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So, states have NO rights?

The US Constitution "guarantees" gay marriage?

Do I have that correctly?

2 posted on 02/13/2014 11:13:23 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Judges. They MAKE laws. Welcome to the New America.


3 posted on 02/13/2014 11:14:42 PM PST by golux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Freedom to create a hell for ourselves?

O-tay.

That was always potentially in the cards when this crazy thing called the USA was launched. There was a lot of liberty in the system because it didn’t need to be a ham handed dictatorship. The Christian gospel (thanks to many Christian societies that fled to the New World to be free of oppression in the Old) took care of most of the moral problems that would otherwise handicap the ability to “pursue happiness.” It wasn’t a perfect implementation. Slavery is one curse that we’d all gladly go back in a time machine and rid from America’s past if we could. But it was still pretty good.

We have a God problem more than we have a judge problem. We’re ignoring Him. He’s getting mad, and is letting such problems start to build up as a warning of what happens when we ignore Him. We aren’t even close to being Sodom to the heart, yet. But we show some outer crusts of it.


4 posted on 02/13/2014 11:15:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you put people with no moral center into positions of power, it doesn’t matter what the law is. To the lawless, the law is what they say it is.

I take the opposite view. Law that is not in harmony with moral law is not law. It is tyranny.


5 posted on 02/13/2014 11:17:48 PM PST by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fed judge just mandated KY must recognize homosexual marriages from other states yesterday.

Genesis 19 will now be done by the force of “law”.

When you are nothing but a serf, you have no say so in what your overlords decide is best for you.

Eat your peas and arugula. Sit down. Shut up. Have homosexual sex and learn to like it.

It’s the new normal.


6 posted on 02/13/2014 11:18:22 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Well, there’s gotta be a God centered rebellion.

If God’s children will stand up and fight.

Now this is not necessarily coterminous with “conservatism.” Conservatism conserves! (duh). Both good and bad equally.

But what liberalism liberates right now looks mostly like hell. We need to allow God, and not politics, the center of our world.


7 posted on 02/13/2014 11:20:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What if there was no “ban”, what if the state just didn’t recognize those unions as marriage?


8 posted on 02/13/2014 11:31:08 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That there is the whole crux of everything that ails us.

A God-centered rebellion was the cause that gave our Founders cause moral justification for war and victory over tyrants.

Putting God first in a Sodom-esque society will result in the ratcheting up of hatred and efforts to squash faith under the color of law.

Then a God-centered people need to stand up and fight, to war until the enemy is defeated.

But this people have thus far decided that nothing is worth fighting for - not even their faith and right to religious exercise, because they bought the Satanic lie that they should not judge or make a stand for what is right if it offends someone.


9 posted on 02/13/2014 11:41:18 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: golux

It’s Acirema, where criminals are rewarded and law abiders are punished. Why bother voting when one judge outweighs the majority?

Upside down flag time.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 11:45:48 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: INVAR

First, “marriage” has always been between man and woman.

What homosexuals want is to change the meaning of the word. They then claim that, under this modified meaning, they are being excluded.

If the meaning of words must be changed it is proof of a lie.

If the meaning of words can be altered then there are no limits. Why stop at “marriage”, why not include other words? They’re all up for grabs when words have no fixed meaning. If the meaning of words can be altered at will then there are no limits, lies become truth and truth becomes a lie.

Altering the meaning of words is how the left re-frames an issue to advance their agenda. Don’t let them get away with it.

Secondly, a “license” to marry is absurd.


11 posted on 02/13/2014 11:49:56 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: boop

The stroke of a pen, and an agenda driven judge supersedes states rights. I’m fairly certain the Framers didn’t allow for gay marriage in the document, so can’t this be challenged with the 10 Amendment..


12 posted on 02/13/2014 11:50:07 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Probaly another AA law school grad, just like Obutthole.


13 posted on 02/13/2014 11:55:04 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another bung dropping of a judicial activist, courtesy of the White Hut.


14 posted on 02/14/2014 12:05:31 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: golux
No Judges only INTERPRET laws. If we, the people, enact laws (or allow to be enacted) that forget God, compromise morality or raise "liberty" onto too high a pedestal, then inevitably Judges will rule like this. How can they do otherwise?

The point is the battle was lost when, in the mind of the citizenry, the institution of marriage went from being "a divine institution, ordained by God", and became only "two people entering and confirming a loving relationship". To be sure, marriage DOES confirm a loving relationship, but if that is ALL it is, then there really is no legal or logical justification for dissallowing same-sex "marriages", or polygamous "marriages", or even incestuous "marriages". I'm quite sure that within fifty years you will be allowed to "marry" your pet dog, your computer avatar, and maybe even your wallpaper.

Personally, I do not accept such "marriages". Period. End of story. I don't care how much snark, peer pressure or legal obligations are layed upon me. I will not recognise a same-sex couple as being "married". No.

15 posted on 02/14/2014 12:26:07 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: boop

The ignorance of certain jurists has me wanting to fling the crap they come up with right back at them.

The gay false marriage is nothing at all like interracial marriage between a man and a woman. The essentials of marriage are not changed if the spouses are of a different race. Also the ban on such marriages was an innovation of the American South for a very short time in history. That can not be said of the prohibition of marriage between those of the same sex.

I shudder to think what these rulings will mean for this and future generations of children. The State governs marriage because of children. But their rights and needs now take second base to the unnatural desires of adults.


16 posted on 02/14/2014 12:26:41 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: boop

Actually, I don’t see how you avoid approving three-person marriages, or guys having five wives at this point. The same logic works in those cases. I’ll make a prediction that some county in Utah approves multiple wives within two years, and a court episode approves it nationwide within the next decade.

In France....they have a law dating back to the 1800s....you can legally marry a ghost. The deal is...if you were engaged, and the guy dies (like in war or such)....and relatives of the guy will vouch for your reasoning...a judge will approve you marrying his ghost and taking up his property. Up until the 1980s....I think it’d only been used one since the turn of the century. Course, I should point this out....France is a fairly progressive society. Plus the positive side of a ghost marriage....you don’t have to worry about divorces much.


17 posted on 02/14/2014 12:28:57 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Ray76

Isaiah 5:20:

“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

This is the time in which we live. When society calls evil good, and good evil. A society that presents sin as righteousness and denounces what is right as a wrong. Who change the meaning of words and call them the opposite of what they are.

Lose a job or your hours due to ObamaCare? It will be called freedom from ‘job lock’. Slavery is freedom. Good is evil. Truth is a lie.

Welcome to a collapsing society at the precipice of annihilation.


18 posted on 02/14/2014 12:32:29 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Okay, the biggest question is that a man or a woman?


19 posted on 02/14/2014 12:43:57 AM PST by DISCO
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To: DISCO

20 posted on 02/14/2014 12:52:02 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

U.S. District Judge Arenda L. Wright Allen

How many does that make? Obama appointee, of course.

Lots of states, lots of judges who all must be Obama appointments.


21 posted on 02/14/2014 1:04:52 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: boop; cardinal4; lastchance; pepsionice

The screws of Police State America 2014 grow tighter every day.

Our sovereign right to make our own laws has been stolen. It is time to reclaim it.


22 posted on 02/14/2014 1:23:32 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V state amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the fedgov can say anything they like, they can only effect their agencies and agents. they have no legal ability to force churches to violate their beliefs and perform marriages between fags.

just like a business, they cannot force you to work.. to perform a service you do not want to do... otherwise it’d be slavery.

and yes, I’m aware of the CO bakery. they should take it straight to the SCOTUS... but they were a small shop and didn’t have the means. so they closed instead... which works in the favor of those pushing this bs

and these same types expect the same outcome for churches.... to fine them or break them by enlongated legal / media battles.


23 posted on 02/14/2014 1:38:11 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: INVAR

Well, the actual core is just to glorify God.

Then comes the consideration of HOW.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 2:17:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: pepsionice
"Actually, I don’t see how you avoid approving three-person marriages, or guys having five wives at this point."

Recognition of Muslim marriages of up to four wives is coming. Obama will be pleased and the Ummah will expand further in the US.

25 posted on 02/14/2014 2:51:58 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lord help me, but could Women’s Suffrage have been the beginning of MUCH of the insanity that passes for constitutional judgment these days?


26 posted on 02/14/2014 3:05:06 AM PST by Tucker39 ("Having their conscience seared with a hot iron.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Decisions that uphold same sex marriage abandon the most fundamental law, natural law, instilled in all of us by our Creator. We inherently know what is natural and what is unnatural. When we as a society abandon natural law as our guide, anything goes in the realm of personal relationships. Next will be polygamy, then pedophilia, then bestiality, and any other unnatural perversion the wicked human mind can conjure up.


27 posted on 02/14/2014 3:26:17 AM PST by iontheball
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To: INVAR

Sadly you are right. Sadly this nation is getting wider bodies all the time. That includes Vets.I wonder how many could even fight?


28 posted on 02/14/2014 3:31:27 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
U.S. District Judge Arenda L. Wright Allen issued a sweeping 41-page opinion that mentioned at length Virginia’s past in denying interracial marriage and quoted Abraham Lincoln.

President Lincoln was pro gay marriage? Who knew....

29 posted on 02/14/2014 3:32:10 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a man, baby!


30 posted on 02/14/2014 3:32:31 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: INVAR
Genesis 19 will now be done by the force of “law”.

While being far from anarchists, both the church and this country were founded in principled dissent. And in which the devout and wise subjects had better judgment than their leaders. These court decisions should summarily ignored. Let them enforce it against our opposition and its costs.

31 posted on 02/14/2014 3:41:41 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

GOD is the beginning and the end... we had better do as you say or it will be the end of us all (as a republic).


32 posted on 02/14/2014 3:43:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: INVAR

>> Lose a job or your hours due to ObamaCare? It will be called freedom from ‘job lock’. Slavery is freedom.

It truly truly is Orwellian.


33 posted on 02/14/2014 4:00:12 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Virginia is going to the dogs. Can’t wait to get out of this state at the first opportunity.


34 posted on 02/14/2014 4:02:35 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: GeronL; Elsie
What if there was no “ban”, what if the state just didn’t recognize those unions as marriage?

See post above. That is what needs to be done.

It is like the homosexual activists are pushing their way into every state in the union, and Lot as the church is outside trying to reasoning with them. Where is a picture with this, but with a clock at 11pm headed to judgment?


35 posted on 02/14/2014 4:07:41 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Ray76

People have bought the gay freedom thing hook line and sinker. The media campaign has been totally successful. In 2011 Obama was against gay marriage and now he’s leading the parade.

Political correctness has silenced us all. You can’t even respond to this without people denouncing you as a bigot. I would get fired if I disagreed with gay lifestyle in front of my coworkers.


36 posted on 02/14/2014 4:16:52 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: Truth29

Sister Wives is already here.


37 posted on 02/14/2014 4:36:22 AM PST by FES0844
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 
 
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.


38 posted on 02/14/2014 4:52:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oliviaforever

The two Bushes also appointed a good amount of these regressive judges.


39 posted on 02/14/2014 4:58:40 AM PST by HawkHogan
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To: bigtoona

“The media campaign has been totally successful.”

Yep. I have to admit, however begrudgingly, that gay activists reframing the argument as a constitutional civil rights/equal protections issue was brilliant. In one fell swoop, legitimate issues such as the staggering STD rates among gay men, the mental health issues associated with the ‘trans’ types, and so on were all swept away for some benighted notion that this was the civil rights challenge for this generation. This seems especially true with younger people, where the pro-gay support even among supposed conservatives can be disturbingly high. Add to that pro-gay images in nearly ever medium (even a stuffy old comic book like Archie has a gay character now), and it’s pretty much everywhere in pop culture.

The worst part, as you point out, is that the deck has been stacked so that no reasonable dissent can be made. Any questioning of the science or reasoning behind any aspect of the gay agenda immediately leads to screeches of homophobe.

Have concerns about a six year old boy being surgically altered into an approximation of a girl, because of some very unsettled science about brain chemistry? Homophobe.

Have concerns about the soundness behind the proposal of lifting the blood donation ban on gay men (who account for 70% of new HIV and syphilis infections, despite being a tiny percentage of the general population)? Homophobe.

Believe in the traditional view of male-female relationships, and have deeply held religious views in that area? Homophobe, and one who doesn’t understand what your faith “really” says, to boot.

It’s maddening. Accept it and shut up is no way for a supposedly free country to function.


40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:02:02 AM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: Oliviaforever
"U.S. District Judge Arenda L. Wright Allen"

Don't focus on the judge.

Read down thru the article and you come to the following statement: "Their cause was joined by last fall by lawyers Theodore Olson and David Boies".

Ultimately, all these cases in all the states will reach the Supreme Court and the case will be argued before SCOTUS by Olson(R) and Boies(D)

41 posted on 02/14/2014 5:09:59 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: daniel1212

Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.

42 posted on 02/14/2014 5:15:11 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LibsRJerks

I understand and it breaks my heart.


43 posted on 02/14/2014 5:16:04 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: FES0844

Next will be sexual acts between “humans” and animals and legalized sexual acts by adults and children. We are not quite at Sodom yet, but you can see it from here. If the Democrat Party has it way, it should take less than three years.


44 posted on 02/14/2014 5:21:20 AM PST by sport
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To: FES0844
"Sister Wives is already here."

Those are Mormons. I was talking about Muslims although the plural wives decision would apply to both. A pro Mormon decision could be the wedge to legal Islamic marriages so Obama could hail a new conquest for his terrorist brethren.

45 posted on 02/14/2014 5:27:27 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will it stand. I hope not, hopefully she is removed after Obama.


46 posted on 02/14/2014 6:27:30 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: INVAR

States should continue to enforce there laws and resist the fed govt. Of course in Virginia the leftist are in the AG spot temporarily. But other states should refuse. The feds dont have the ability to fight 35 states. We give the feds power by consenting. If we dont consent, we over throw their rule. Real simple. Should have been done long ago


47 posted on 02/14/2014 6:31:53 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: Tucker39

No Lincoln was the start of the tyranny


48 posted on 02/14/2014 6:36:10 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: All
As the great Hudson from Aliens stated:

"That's it man, game over man, game over!"

I'm losing track of all the state laws and amendments getting overturned by Federal Courts. ON TOP POLYGAMY!

49 posted on 02/14/2014 6:36:13 AM PST by C19fan
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To: LibsRJerks

This is coming to every state by judges. Virginia didnt do it


50 posted on 02/14/2014 6:38:44 AM PST by Carry me back
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