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Catholic parishes chartering Boy Scout Troops risk scandal
http://www.truthandcharityforum.org ^ | February 14, 2014 | Denise Hunnell, M.D.

Posted on 02/14/2014 5:07:51 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Well, that didn’t take long. On January 1, 2014, the Boys Scouts of America changed their membership policy to allow openly gay youths to be Boy Scouts. Now Pascal Tessier has become the first openly gay Boy Scout to become an Eagle Scout. I know a great many Boy Scouts and Scouting families who are still saying the new policy will change little in their troops or in the Scouting experience. Think again. When Pascal Tessier accepts the award of Eagle Scout he will do so while waving the rainbow flag of the homosexual agenda. As far as the Boy Scouts of America are concerned, homosexuality is now normal and acceptable for their youth members.

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Catholic parishes threading on thin ice supporting the homosexual-friendly BSA. It will only get worse, no matter the denomination of the church.
1 posted on 02/14/2014 5:07:51 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

As I recall, the Scouts weren’t about sex... of any kind.


2 posted on 02/14/2014 5:14:03 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: NKP_Vet

There was one dude on here today bragging that his son’s BSA troop is chartered by the Knights of Columbus.


3 posted on 02/14/2014 5:16:53 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

If the troup is sponsored by a Catholic parish it’s the KoC that do all the sponsoring. But the KoC do what the parish priest tells them to do.


4 posted on 02/14/2014 5:19:57 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Operative word: weren't
5 posted on 02/14/2014 5:21:11 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

There will be merit badges before long.


6 posted on 02/14/2014 5:29:06 PM PST by sphinx
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To: steve86

Is that a problem???


7 posted on 02/14/2014 5:30:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: NKP_Vet

Might be an indicator if the parish priest is too “active” in his support.


8 posted on 02/14/2014 5:49:29 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Anything regarding this administration ..... remember I told you so first!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

0When I was a Scout ,”morally straight” was part of the requirements ;the queers are ruining everything.

Make no mistake,homosexuality is a SINFUL,SELFISH CHOICE by people. It is not good for themselves or society as a whole.

Like abortion it is all about sexual pleasures without responsibility.


9 posted on 02/14/2014 5:55:51 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: NKP_Vet

The liberals are well on the way to turning the Girl Scouts into the democrat party’s equivalent of the old USSR Komsomol (Leninist Young Communist League).

Now they have breached the Boy Scouts defenses and succeeded in pushing the gay agenda on them, the BSA will also be converted into a political tool to poison the minds of America’s youth with leftist claptrap.


10 posted on 02/14/2014 6:22:45 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Iron Munro

Think of all the new badge opportunities:

climate change
gender studies
gun control
community organizing
green energy
animal rights
mass transit


11 posted on 02/14/2014 6:27:23 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: NKP_Vet
About the middle of 2013 there were several intense FR threads discussing the future of the BSA after its National Council voted 61% in favor of changing the Membership Standard to include open homosexual youth. Here we are 8 months after the 5/23/2013 vote and 6 weeks into the new Membership Standard taking effect.

BSA National office sent an e-mail to the AP earlier this week announcing that it had lost 6% membership in 2013 relative to 2012 - a little higher than the declining trend for the last several years. BSA spokesman Deron Smith wrote that with BSA accepting openly homosexual boys it "allows us to serve more kids." The BSA National Executive Committee's APR 2013 survey report had projected a worst case scenario of a 13% membership loss. Clearly they (~23 members heavily represented by Fortune 500 executives) were happy to accept that projection against a best case scenario of 1% membership gain.

Based upon 2012 membership data, churches charter ~70% of all BSA units, i.e., dens,packs,troops,crews. The 6 denominations with the highest number of chartered units in descending order are ...

1. LDS
2. UMC
3. RCC
4. PCUSA
5. ELCA
6. SBC

Of these 6 denominations, only the SBC stood up against the BSA and its new Membership Standard. Now they are off and running with the new alternative program, Trail Life, since its birth in SEP 2013. Trail Life officials claim they have chartered >500 troops in 46 states across the U.S.

A few smaller denominations registered their dissastisfaction with BSA with the result being some have totally quit BSA, e.g., PCA, and others have left it to the individual parishes to make their own decisions, e.g., LC-MS and CoC.

The UMC, PCUSA, and ELCA have elected to go along with BSA. The UMC appears to be headed to a schism with regard to the matter of homosexuality. The PCUSA and ELCA are both bleeding parish membership because of their leadership openly accepting the homosexual agenda.

The LDS are in lock-step with the BSA. They just celebrated 100 years of involvement with the BSA last year. The LDS use the BSA program as its offical male youth program.

I recall several FR Catholics vigorously proclaiming that Pope Francis would not accept the new Membership Standard in Catholic units. The National Catholic Committee on Scouting has abided by their episcopal leader, the Bishop of the Diocese of Charleston (SC). Their statement last June was that they would continue to study the new Membership Standard with regard to how it would impact the RCC's continued involvement with BSA (which just celebrated its centennial with BSA last year). I have yet to read any further statements.

The RCC has certainly been engaged in a fierce fight with the homosexualists over the last several years, i.e., (1) - Father Dariusz Oko's 2012 report entitled, “With the Pope Against the Homoheresy”, (2) the “Vatileaks” scandal, (3)the premature resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, and (4) the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child.

We've read about Pope Francis's interviews with the press this past year on the issue of homosexuality which have left many of us scratching our heads trying to understand what he meant. The homosexualists at The Advocate seized the initiative and declared Pope Francis its "Man of the Year" for 2013 primarily over his 1 press interview where he said, "... who am I to judge?"

All here on FR know that we are living through especially trying spiritual times. I pray there are enough orthodox Christians left to make a difference, but the culture war in the U.S. is definitely surging in the post-modernists/homosexualists favor.

12 posted on 02/14/2014 6:44:42 PM PST by MacNaughton
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I appreciate your informative posts regarding the BSA...I will offer some insight to the LDS scouting program that many may not be aware of.

It is a hollow program...meaning, they register and pay the fees for each and every youth of Scouting age that is on each and every ward roster, regardless of participation in the church or Scouts...unlike “conventional” units where the youth pays his own registration fees or the Troop does so, but out of dues collected [each Troop has their own policies regarding this, our Troop pays for Boys Life magazine but the boys pay the registration.]

The LDS are giving the BSA a lot of “free” money...this is why SLC was consulted personally by Wayne Perry [a mormon]...they knew that unless they had SLC’s approval, they stood to lose million$$$ in “free” registration fees if SLC rejected the policy change and quit the program.

BSA gets the money and don’t have to provide the increased support for Districts or Councils that have a majority of LDS units...they can use that money for other things.

So, although the LDS may be #1 in terms of membership, let’s be clear, those are registrations, not active Scouts.

I would be willing to bet that if you compared each organization and the numbers of ACTIVE Scouts, the LDS would fall down that list quite a bit. I don’t know of any unit that would be willing to pay for registration fees when the boy isn’t even attending services, let alone Scouts.


13 posted on 02/14/2014 7:04:24 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Thanks for that additional insight, to which I can only add 1 further point. The average LDS troop is smaller than the overall average size of troops - the latest statistic I’ve read stated that number is 14. It was 17 in the 1980-1990s. In BSA’s halcyon days of the 1960s, that number was 30+.


14 posted on 02/14/2014 7:16:54 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks for that, the information in your post prompted a question...

When you say “Troop”, are those numbers for the actual “Troop”, 12-14 year old only Scouts [Deacons quorum] or are those numbers including all 4 programs; Blazer (11 year old Scouts), Scouts, Varsity [Teachers quorum] and Venturing [Priests quorum]?


15 posted on 02/14/2014 7:33:41 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Ah, you exceeded my limits of knowledge regarding LDS Scouting. Something I heard along the way and observed at district/council camping events.


16 posted on 02/14/2014 7:38:32 PM PST by MacNaughton
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Oh, ok. No worries, didn’t mean to stump you. I was just trying to run the information down to its logical conclusion and not deal in assumptions...just curious because most don’t know the LDS run their programs like that.

I’ve seen where all the units were registered independently and then dual registered the boys into Scouts so that they could attend Scouting activities and finish up any advancement.

When I was asked to help an an LDS unit, that is what I did since our total numbers never exceeded 12 in the ward I was helping. There was just no real practical way for the older guys to learn and demonstrate real leadership with any where from 1-4 youth in a group.

I combined them so that they functioned and operated like a conventional unit instead of segregated amongst age groups.

I saw the same in other LDS units when we went as a contingent to summer camp one year...although there was a couple of wards that had some numbers in the 12-14 age group (Scouts), it wasn’t the norm. The lack of experienced youth leadership in those units showed and the adults were kept quite busy.


17 posted on 02/14/2014 7:52:13 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: MacNaughton

“which have left many of us scratching our heads trying to understand what he meant”

He meant exactly what he said. If a homosexual is living his life for the Lord, i.e., not engaging in homosexual activity, no one should judge him. Francis’ views are exactly what any other Pope’s views on homosexuality are. It is an intrinsic disorder and engaging in the behavior is a sin.

Catholic parishes are free to cut their associations with the BSA is they so chose or continue to sponsor them. It is left up to the Parish Priest. Some have cut ties with them, some have not.........not yet at least.

Only a matter of time before the BSA is relegated to the ash heap of history.


18 posted on 02/14/2014 10:40:46 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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(i) 17 Oh, ok. No worries, didn’t mean to stump you. I was just trying to run the information down to its logical conclusion and not deal in assumptions...

As you should. I accept the challenge. BSA has the records, they just don't present them to the volunteers at large in an easy way to make comparisons. See below ...

2012 - Overview of Chartered Organizations

The arithmetic I present below is not a perfect presentation. Base upon the data provided, the membership #s are not broken out by program or type unit. So, I just calculated the average # of scouts/unit in the 6 largest denominations and the overall average for all denominations.

Name of Organization Total Units Total Youth #/unit
LDS 37,856 430,557 11.4
UMC 10,868 363,876 33.5
RCC 8,397 273,648 32.6
all Presbyterian 3,597 125,523 34.9
all Lutheran 3,827 116,417 30.4
all Baptist 3,981 108,353 27.2
TOTAL 76,322 1,644,456 21.5

The trend is definitely there. While the LDS have the most # of units, they are definitely smaller than most others.

19 posted on 02/15/2014 11:52:04 AM PST by MacNaughton
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To: NKP_Vet
18 He meant exactly what he said. ...

I don't take issue with what you wrote, but you have to admit the progressives around the globe have been rubbing their hands in glee because they think he is giving them a pass on homosexuality.

Catholic parishes are free to cut their associations with the BSA is they so chose or continue to sponsor them. It is left up to the Parish Priest. Some have cut ties with them, some have not.........not yet at least.

You are correct. A few parishes have elected not to re-new their charters. But the vast majority, at this point, remain engaged with the BSA.

Only a matter of time before the BSA is relegated to the ash heap of history.

It certainly will be a shadow of its former self, but Scouting in post-modern-Christian Europe is still around, as it is in Canada. I imagine BSA's membership numbers will continue to decline but they will eventually flatten out. The adoption of the new Membership Standard will not bring in a surge of new youth members to the "more enlightened" BSA. All I have to do is look at the Episcopal Church. It has been bleeding members at an accelerated rate since 2003 when it consecrated its 1st openly homosexual bishop in the state of NH.

Just waiting to see the other shoe drop when the new BSA National President, former Sec-Def (he who orchestrated the demise of DADT in the DoD which Congress approved in DEC 2010) Robert M. Gates, is elected to a 2-year term in MAY 2014. Many expect the Membership Standard to be revised again on his watch to include open homosexual adult leaders. If not then, it will most assuredly happen on his successor's watch - Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T.

20 posted on 02/15/2014 12:13:23 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks for that, very enlightening.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 7:12:15 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: MacNaughton

The sodomite scout in question also has a sodomite brother, who is also an Eagle Scout. Now they are both pouting because they can’t become Scout Leaders. Stick a fork in the Boy Scouts. They of course will be made scout leaders and here come the sexual assaults and lawsuits all over the Boy Scouts. Chauk up another win for the homosexual gestapo.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/16/gay-boy-scout-eagle-award-unfit-for-troop-leader


22 posted on 02/16/2014 3:53:34 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Thanks for linking this article. Pretty well confirms my last comment regarding former Sec-Def Robert Gates. It was only a matter of time before the homosexualists resumed their tactics against the BSA to advocate for open homosexual adult leaders.


23 posted on 02/17/2014 10:59:28 AM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Robert Gates (closet democrat) is the father of sodomy in the Armed Forces. He is trying to save his reputation by coming out with a book saying it was all Obama that wanted the ban lifted. Anyone that remembers Gates’ last week in office knows better. He did not have to spout off about it being the time to lift the ban. If he was a Christian man that had morals, first there is no way in the world he would have stayed on as Obama’s Sec of Defense, and if did decide to stay on, there is no way in the world he would have been going on the talk shows his last few days in office to say how homosexuals can not continue to be denied their “civil rights”. He even compared sodomite’s “civil rights” to the desegregation of the Armed Force that opened up the ranks to blacks. A man with morals would have have quitely exited and not been an advocate for sodomites to openly serve......unless he didn’t believe what he was saying (which is obvious). He is now in charge of the Boy Scouts and it will be sodomites running the Boy Scouts within the year if it’s not already - courtesy of Robert Gates, and no one else.


24 posted on 02/17/2014 3:22:27 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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