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India bans Book by University of Chicago 'scholar' Wendy Doniger.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-india-book-ban-wendy-doniger-20140213,0,582965.story ^ | bakeneko

Posted on 02/15/2014 1:01:04 AM PST by bakeneko

Wendy Doniger, a 'Hindu Scholar' at the University of Chicago, has had her book banned, or interrupted, by Indian authorities because it denigrates the Hindu religion.

This is a long article and I am still reading it myself, but, having been a UofChicago Student myself in a previous life, I had to go to a 'meet the faculty' dinner and listen to this woman speak; in which, she spent two hours talking about the sexual practices of a village in India she visited. This, I guess, gives her as a UofChicago demigod the capacity to speak for the entire Hindu congregation. I found myself daydreaming all the time of pancakes on bunnies' heads.

As a Marxist, Doniger reduces all of Hindu mythology to a Marxist and homosexual interpretation. She has spawned now two generations of Hindu studies professors at universities who share her deconstructionist view of the world's oldest religion.

And now Real Indian Hindus are mad as hell and are speaking out. Maybe because now the West has abandoned its own moral credibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at rajivmalhotra.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: india; religion; university
As always, this being my first original post, there are more here to enlighten me about Hinduism. I was just the UofC kid who had to sit through Wendy Doniger's drivel.
1 posted on 02/15/2014 1:01:04 AM PST by bakeneko
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To: bakeneko

My original whiff of this came from this Chicago Tribune story. They seemed, as always, to be holding back most of their facts.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-india-book-ban-wendy-doniger-20140213,0,582965.story


2 posted on 02/15/2014 1:05:35 AM PST by bakeneko
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To: bakeneko

Thanks for the insight.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 1:26:16 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: bakeneko

Another useless eater commie (lesbian?) with a very high paying gig. She’s got her story and she is sticking to it because it pays so well

She’s a clone of Mooooooochelle who was also paid by U of Chicago for doing nothing useful. To the tune of 350 thousand a year

..... and Michelle Obama was paid $316,962 to handle community affairs for the University of Chicago Medical Center. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-why-michelle-was-working-mom-316k-year-we-didnt-have-luxury-her-not-work#sthash.LPv5uT51.dpuf


4 posted on 02/15/2014 1:50:11 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: bakeneko
It's interesting that once again, the religion under attack is a peaceful one and not Islam. I wonder the books deconstructing shinto will be released? I don't wonder when the books "deconstructing" Islam will be released, not by a large, mainstream publisher.
5 posted on 02/15/2014 2:08:22 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: bakeneko

Well, peaceful relative to Islam, I should say.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 2:09:08 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel

The devil has begun to spread his hate beyond Judeo-Christianity to anything that even has a suggestion of a peaceful divine touch. I’m not equating the faith systems by any means, and frankly champion God from a Christian perspective, but a certain overlap of principles is an observation that C. S. Lewis made. The bible may have presaged this in its prophecy of the one world government that would be exalted over “God, or anything that is worshiped as God.” And bad-mouthing the latter would be the opening salvos, I figure.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 3:26:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: dennisw

In an earlier day this would have been called farce because there would be nothing else to say.

Maybe there ARE villages in India in which the practice has devolved into sexual obsession... I never say that it could never be, to anything strange... but to characterize the whole bloomin’ Hindu faith system that way is something that not even the most ardent Christian evangelist would ever do. Sounds much more like she has a profane axe to grind, and finds the “exotic” setting a convenient excuse to do it.


8 posted on 02/15/2014 3:31:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In the end leftists piss all over 3rd world cultures due to them being too traditional. As in thinking gay marriage is the most absurd thing they ever heard of. Another reason to hate Euro and American style globalism


9 posted on 02/15/2014 3:52:18 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

It’s a peculiarly Western rot.

One could “blame” Judeo-Christianity for making it possible, but again does one really blame the castle-builders for barbarians moving into castles and trashing them? The better something is, the worse the thing that it can be made into via perversion.


10 posted on 02/15/2014 3:57:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: bakeneko

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3123223/posts

Here’s a thread discussing this situation from the New York Times’ perspective.


11 posted on 02/15/2014 4:07:20 AM PST by Tax-chick (Have a nose.)
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To: bakeneko

Follow the money trail. I’ll wager there’s a Saudi Wahabist prince, somewhere along the line, with too much money on his hands, fueling American academia for propaganda to use in their hot and cold wars on the Indian sub-continent.


12 posted on 02/15/2014 4:47:28 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: bakeneko
Wendy Doniger is an overrated academic who, in my opinion, does not add much to the conversation.

I did not take her classes at U of C, but she was still considered a celebrity professor when I was there - largely because of her obsession with "gender."

At the same time, banning her books is a stupid, stupid thing to do.

If India is going to be considered a legitimate modern republic, it can't go around banning books.

Is there no one in India who is able to refute her work? Really?

13 posted on 02/15/2014 5:53:27 AM PST by wideawake
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To: bakeneko
.. Doniger reduces all of Hindu mythology to a Marxist and homosexual interpretation ..

Now there's a surprise !


                                         


btw, first post = good job

14 posted on 02/15/2014 5:58:36 AM PST by tomkat
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Academentia redux!

Does anyone remember the “HUGH, Series Discoveries” of Margaret Mead in what was announced as a work of sociological breakthrough? Remember “Coming of Age in Samoa”? ? ?

Admit it - we all had it forced on us by a professor or a believing friend, neighbor, whatever. It was sold more widely than hotcakes, caused fat deposition between the ears, and eventually left the bad taste in ones mouth that Liberal excess is wont to do.

Turns out the locals told the “social scientist” what they thought she would believe and they played her credulity for all it was worth.

Now, we have a pervert at the central school of communism blathering about sex once again.

Got mouthwash?


15 posted on 02/15/2014 6:26:40 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: bakeneko

Let me guess; is it another case of truth being called denigration?


16 posted on 02/15/2014 7:21:53 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: bakeneko
I like this: "Maybe because now the West has abandoned its own moral credibility."

Those mired in decadence cannot comprehend what decadence is. There is nothing moral about it. There is nothing good about it. It is abject failure, nothing more.

"Though it is easy for us to perceive the wild instability of the Roman Imperium in its final days, it was not easy for the Romans.”
Thomas Cahill
How The Irish Saved Civilization, pp. 29-30. Doubleday, 1995

Decadents imagine themselves to be all sorts of things: morally superior, intellectually superior, sophisticated--many things.

What they cannot comprehend is that they are none of these things.

They are mired in decadence, groupthink, and a cultural downward-spiral and are morally and intellectually inferior to those who have gone before them. This they simply cannot imagine.

“The true criticism of Neville Chamberlain is that he could not really imagine a man like Hitler or a party like the Nazis.”
Robert Conquest
Reflections of a Ravaged Century. Introduction. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, p. 12.

The true criticism of benevolent Western decadents is the same: a failure of imagination and comprehension.

17 posted on 02/15/2014 7:51:00 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: JimRed

Wendy D is a gender feminist pervert idiot. She doesn’t translate, she just pretends to translate changing the meaning with her perverted sick world view.

I’ve read hertranslation (well, started to, couldn’t finish because it was so bad) Manu Samhita and it was so bad I threw it away. I’ve read a good translation so I know the difference. Look at the info about her above.


18 posted on 02/15/2014 9:05:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: wideawake

Why shouldn’t India ban her books if they want to? If being considered a “legitimate modern republic” means the toilet and sewer culture we have in the US, why would they want that?


19 posted on 02/15/2014 9:07:50 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Totally agree, you read my mind. It’s part of the agenda to destroy anything which might stand in the way of the eventual “one world church” and then easily control the members into the forced worship of the antichrist. Apparently Islam is being saved for last because when you push muslims, they push back. Or rather, they often push first, so you don’t push them.


20 posted on 02/15/2014 1:29:25 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: wideawake

I think at one time, I too might have seen it that way, but with the domination in American culture of certain agendas, people are getting afraid and/or fed-up. We already know that in America, MSM does not allow a real dialogue on the merits or demerits of, for example, the global warming or sodomite agendas. The only time they mention an opposition is to marginalise it, freeze it, demonise it-the Alinsky tactics. They never allow the opposition to speak for itself. People can see what’s going on.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 1:32:55 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: little jeremiah
Do you believe in freedom of speech, or do you believe that governments should arbitrarily decide what people can read, write and say?
22 posted on 02/15/2014 4:03:00 PM PST by wideawake
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To: mrsmel

Why should the aggressiveness of leftists in the US justify the aggressiveness of leftists in India? They are both wrong.


23 posted on 02/15/2014 4:05:48 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I believe in freedom of speech. I also believe that what we have in the US now is not freedom of speech, but licence. For the first 150 years, “freedom of speech” did not cover obscenity, pornography, descriptions of child molestation nor its advocacy, plays about Jesus being a fag, the Vagina monologues, and the like. Nor did it cover naked dancing, women stomping on kittens on youtube, prostitues covering themselves with chocolate on stage, “Gay Pride” parades, and on and on ad nauseum.

It meant “Freedom to express your ideas”.

And that’s the way it should be, and the way the Founders meant it to be. What we have now is utter perversion of freedom of speech. I’m not even touching on ‘hate speech’ and what is forbidden, that’s another topic.


24 posted on 02/15/2014 4:52:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: wideawake

The people who don’t want Wendy’s nasty perverted book sold are not leftists.


25 posted on 02/15/2014 4:53:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
We're not discussing actions like stomping kittens. We're discussing writing books about comparative religious theories.

And yes, the people banning the books are leftists. They are the watered-down Indian equivalent of national socialists.

26 posted on 02/15/2014 6:56:42 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Whatever they may or may not be, the Government of India is not bound by our constitution or bill of rights.

For you to insist upon it makes you just as imperialistic as Wendy.


27 posted on 02/15/2014 7:13:33 PM PST by bakeneko
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To: wideawake

Stomping kittens on youtube was decided by the SCOTUS as falling under freedom of speech.

And according to you, the founders of the country were national socialists because they did not find that blasphemy, pornography or obscenity to be covered under freedom of speech.


28 posted on 02/15/2014 7:40:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bakeneko
Wait 'til BYU gets wind of THIS!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

29 posted on 02/16/2014 4:51:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: little jeremiah
(1) The SCOTUS found no such thing.

(2) The Founders did indeed countenance blasphemy and obscenity, certainly by the definitions operative in their day.

(3) We are not discussing pornography or stomping on kittens. We are discussing a volume of hack comparative religious theory.

30 posted on 02/16/2014 4:06:00 PM PST by wideawake
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To: bakeneko
Of course India is not bound by such concerns as freedom or maturity - the Indian government has the option of suppressing freedom and acting like a primitive tyranny if that's what it wants.

If you think speaking the truth about India's mistakes is "imperialism" then you are clearly an advocate of Marxist-Leninist analysis of international relations.

I don't buy into, nor am I cowed by, socialist rhetoric.

Wendy Doniger is free to write what she likes and Indians have a natural right to read whatever they like, regardless of what their silly government says.

31 posted on 02/16/2014 4:12:21 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

1. Yes they did, I did the Moral Absolutes ping list for about a decade, and I remember that case.

2. Obsenity, pornography and blasphemy such as is tolerated (or celebrated) today would never have been countenanced by them, and the mores of that time (much better than ours today) did no countenance such things even by their more stringent parameters.

3. The hack comparative religious theory is considered by practicing Hindus to be blasphemy and obscenity. Why shouldn’t they forbid it if they want to?


32 posted on 02/16/2014 5:40:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bakeneko

A lot of people just hate India and the Hindu religion.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 5:41:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
(1) You may remember a case that involved that question, but you'll search long and hard before you can find any SCOTUS ruling that says physically torturing animals is free speech.

(2) You are again wrong about the Founders. The works of Thomas Paine were inarguably blasphemous by every 18th century standard. And Titus Andronicus was inarguably obscene - yet was printed at Philadelphia in 1795 even as it was being bowdlerized in its home country.

(3) They shouldn't ban it, because they should value liberty over despotism. They should recognize that all human beings have inalienable rights.

There is also the practical difficulty of allowing governments to devide what can or cannot be said and what does or does not constitute something as amorphous as "blasphemy" and "obscenity."

(4) Why do you strain so hard against the facts to defend the Founders (from something they were right about) when you clearly deplore the Declaration they risked their lives for?

34 posted on 02/16/2014 5:51:05 PM PST by wideawake
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To: little jeremiah; bakeneko
Would someone who hated India expect the best of the Indian people, or would they expect and/or applaud the worst?

I wonder if I'm the only person in this conversation who has actually been to India and visited Hindu holy places.

35 posted on 02/16/2014 5:53:41 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

You think physically having been to India gives you knowledge?

I remember you from previous discussions and it’s pointless to discuss with you.


36 posted on 02/16/2014 6:03:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: wideawake

Have fun discussing with your mind.

I bow out and will leave you with your thoughts.

The SCOTUS did issue a ruling that women in high heels stomping on small animals on Youtube is protected “speech”.


37 posted on 02/16/2014 6:05:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I think going to India on purpose to learn about it indicates a lack of the blind hatred you impute to me. And I did learn some things there that added to my knowledge.

I'm sorry you lack the resources for a reasoned discussion.

38 posted on 02/17/2014 2:47:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: little jeremiah
Again, SCOTUS did not rule that the activity was protected - and anyone who makes or "stars" in such videos is open to full prosecution, and the videos themselves may be used as evidence against them.

The SCOTUS' point was this: banning the videos after the fact can have unintended and unconstitutional consequences - such as exposing people who use the videos as a way to shame, identify and punish the criminals who made them to criminal prosecution themselves.

Life is complicated, lj, and sometimes you actually need to stop and think through the consequences of your actions. Actung rashly can often produce results that are the opposite of what you wanted.

39 posted on 02/17/2014 2:53:16 AM PST by wideawake
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