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'Why Have a Hearing? Just Expel Him' (Dartmouth College)
Minding the Campus ^ | February 13, 2014 | KC Johnson

Posted on 02/15/2014 11:33:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

"Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?" That astonishing question was posed at a conference on how colleges respond to sexual assault issues by Amanda Childress, Sexual Assault Awareness Program coordinator at Dartmouth. According to Inside Higher Ed, Childress continued: "It seems to me that we value fair and equitable processes more than we value the safety of our students. And higher education is not a right. Safety is a right. Higher education is a privilege."

Give Childress credit for candor--even the campus spokespersons for increasing the number of guilty findings in campus tribunals usually aren't so bald in their disdain for basic principles of due process.

Childress' jarring remarks coincided with news that Dartmouth had promoted her, and given her additional power over the college's sexual assault policies. Last Friday, the college announced that Childress will head the newly-created Center for Community Action and Prevention, which Childress said would "be the focal point on campus for Dartmouth's sexual assault and violence prevention initiatives" and "drive the College's mobilization efforts around preventing sexual violence and increasing the safety and well-being of all members of our community." (All members, it seems, except students facing unsubstantiated allegations of sexual assault.) Incredibly, Dartmouth theater professor Paul Hackett suggested that despite Childress' appointment, the college isn't going far enough on the issue.

To reiterate: one of the nation's elite colleges thinks it's a good idea to enhance the power of a figure who wonders about the propriety of expelling possibly innocent students based solely on an allegation.

Childress' remarks doubtless will resurface if Dartmouth, like nearly a dozen colleges and universities, faces a lawsuit from a student railroaded out of school after experiencing his school's brazen procedures. The latest such lawsuit came against Swarthmore, already infamous for a Title IX accusers' complaint on absurd grounds that its procedures (which include a prohibition on accused students from even talking about the case with an attorney) is too unfair against the accusers.

The Swarthmore lawsuit, first reported by Philadelphia, shares similar characteristics to suits filed against Vassar, St. Joe's, and Xavier--but with one interesting twist. According to the filing, the accuser waited 19 months to file her charges (she never went to police or had a medical exam); the weakness of her case was such that even Swarthmore's biased disciplinary system didn't bring charges against the accused students. But two weeks after the Title IX complaints, Swarthmore reopened the case--and within less than a month, had completed its investigation, held a hearing, and completed the expulsion. The lawsuit alleges that Swarthmore failed to respect what passes for due process on the campus; the student's attorney claims that Swarthmore didn't give the student a right to respond in writing to the charges, among other things.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: amandachildress; dartmouth; feminism; kangaroocourt; newhampshire; sexualassault; stjoes; swarthmore; titleix; vassar; xavier
Lunatics.
1 posted on 02/15/2014 11:33:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m always struck by the fact that reported “sexual assaults” at colleges usually exceed actual criminal prosecutions for sexual assaults by about 40 to 1.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 12:30:45 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tell it to the Duke University lacrosse team.
3 posted on 02/16/2014 12:38:34 AM PST by Hugin
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To: zeestephen

Maybe if Dartmouth tried being less licentious, it wouldn’t encourage such assaults so much. An ounce of prevention, and so it goes.


4 posted on 02/16/2014 12:54:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It seems to me that we value fair and equitable processes more than we value the safety of our students.

By "students" you mean female students, not male. You couldn't care less about keeping your male students safe from the false accusers.

5 posted on 02/16/2014 1:04:04 AM PST by TChad
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To: abb

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6 posted on 02/16/2014 1:09:25 AM PST by Ready4Freddy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If safety is to be considered a right it will mean the end of individual liberty.


7 posted on 02/16/2014 1:49:07 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Works for me. If a student doesn’t like a particular professor, just make an allegation and *poof* the professor is gone. Why have a hearing?


8 posted on 02/16/2014 2:19:25 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Idiots like this women make lawyers rich....

Unfortunately the Business Socialist types....who believe no one has the right to sue a business or establishment...foster this kind of hirings like at Dartmouth (and the unfortunate actions)


9 posted on 02/16/2014 2:22:12 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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To: zeestephen

Agreed—the level of claims (and to some degree students putting themselves in situations that make them vulnerable to both SA and claims) on college campuses is way out of control.

All on campus crimes should be reported to and dealt with by the proper local authorities, not some kind of kangaroo process and court.

On the other hand, private schools should have the right to establish their own procedures for expelling students. Perhaps in our modern age there needs to be legal agreement signed by students before they attend schools, but we shouldn’t prohibit schools from including and excluding students as they wish.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 2:46:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fascism is on the rise.Its a definite.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


11 posted on 02/16/2014 3:48:33 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

is it anywonder men are giving up on these o-called higher learning institutions?

women never lie. the allegation is more serious than the truth. we have profs at these places that teach men are evil brutes and all male-female sex is always rape.

if these places taught this stuff about women there’d be open revolt. if they treated women like they do men the feminists would shut em down.


12 posted on 02/16/2014 3:54:13 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would like to see the reaction if they tried to implement a similar policy in say ... downtown Chicago or Detroit.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 4:13:43 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whoever sends their son to Dartmouth or a similarly feminazied campus is crazy.


14 posted on 02/16/2014 4:17:56 AM PST by winner3000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whoever hires women from Dartmouth or a similarly feminazied university deserves what they get.


15 posted on 02/16/2014 4:19:18 AM PST by winner3000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Safety is a right ..

.. in the naive delusions of bleating nanny state sheep.

16 posted on 02/16/2014 4:20:20 AM PST by tomkat
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To: zeestephen

I wonder how many of these sexual assault claims are triggered by morning-after, hangover-induced recriminations. Or feelings of being used because, a few days later, the young man didn’t call, he didn’t text....


17 posted on 02/16/2014 4:20:36 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More proof that the radical feminists who’ve wormed their way into institutions of higher learning are really petty fascists. Enacting a school law that states that someone accused of a crime cannot solicit an attorney is such a gross violation of basic rights as to make the people who enacted the law subject to firing and being prosecuted themselves.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 4:24:21 AM PST by driftless2
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
If safety is to be considered a right it will mean the end of individual liberty.

Right. Why have that pesky Fourth Amendment at all.

19 posted on 02/16/2014 4:24:55 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The woman is guilty I tell you. She is guilty of conspiring to seduce me. She’s your student and you must pay me for damages for attempted seduction


20 posted on 02/16/2014 4:30:04 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

“The woman is guilty I tell you. She is guilty of conspiring to seduce me. She’s your student and you must pay me for damages for attempted seduction.”

I’ll bet Gloria Allred will take your case.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 4:43:44 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Artie

When I was in Nashua I took my niece up to Hanover to tour the campus. One of the distressing events was that in coming out of the Student Union, I was sexually groped by Ms. Childress, right in view of my niece. When I tried to complain I was told there was no one willing to record the complaint.

There! How about this accusation, Ms. Childress?


22 posted on 02/16/2014 4:54:51 AM PST by plangent
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
"I wonder how many of these sexual assault claims are triggered by morning-after, hangover-induced recriminations. Or feelings of being used because, a few days later, the young man didn’t call, he didn’t text...."

In todays America, who says it has to be a guy? After all, if we believe the media, same sex hookups are everywhere. Shouldn't their be equal injustice for all?

23 posted on 02/16/2014 4:55:02 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember Amanda. she did unspeakable things to me after drugging my beer. I’ve lived with the shame and emotional scars for decades.

/allegation


24 posted on 02/16/2014 5:25:04 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They need to run with this: Expel *all* students involved in such incidents.

That is, the accused rapist and their victim.

The justification used is one of “equality”, that women should be treated no differently than men. To do otherwise is “sexist”.

It uses similar logic to what they are proposing.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 6:10:45 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: plangent

I am a witness to your horrible sexual defiling at the hands of that beast. (Even though I can’t prove I was there at the time, or that I was ever actually in New Hampshire.)


26 posted on 02/16/2014 6:17:35 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: winner3000
Whoever hires women from Dartmouth or a similarly feminazied university deserves what they get.

Excellent point. Businesses should red flag all such applicants, for the safety and well being of the work environment. They should also decline business relationships with such people. It's too dangerous.


27 posted on 02/16/2014 6:22:04 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some male student should allege that Amanda grabbed his package.
28 posted on 02/16/2014 10:46:25 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; zeestephen; Hugin; HiTech RedNeck; TChad; winner3000; TruthShallSetYouFree; ...

PIV is always rape, ok?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/3108209/posts


29 posted on 02/16/2014 11:21:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, it looks like humankind “raped” itself into being, huh.

Daft!


30 posted on 02/16/2014 11:24:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Hey that’s the Moose approach.


31 posted on 02/16/2014 11:25:03 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: zeestephen

Golly, might have something to do with putting sexually naive hormone-ravaged singles into high-density unsupervised unrestricted quarters practically promoting frequent sexual contact?


32 posted on 02/16/2014 11:42:16 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This does have a certain logic. When there is a fight at school, both children are punished, because the child who defends himself is engaging in as much violence as the one who started raining down the blows.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 12:56:33 PM PST by tbw2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
"Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?" That astonishing question was posed at a conference on how colleges respond to sexual assault issues by Amanda Childress, Sexual Assault Awareness Program coordinator at Dartmouth.
IOW, she should be summarily fired, and if the Dartmouth despots refuse to do that, [redacted by 'Civ]. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
34 posted on 02/16/2014 1:36:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: tbw2

It’s not intended as a real policy, but to thwart the illogical action of expulsion based solely on unproven accusation. It is just as illogical to expel a victim as it is to expel someone solely because they have been accused of a crime.

Importantly, if someone is *arrested* for a crime, there should be suspension, because the assumption should be that the police have probable cause for the arrest, and as such, the accused should be regarded as of potential danger.


35 posted on 02/16/2014 2:13:59 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remember when liberals cared about civil rights? The Obama Regime Civil Rights Division is promoting this. But where is the ACLU?
Why is no one pulling the race card on this? How many men of color will be expelled on the whims of drunk white girls?
36 posted on 02/16/2014 2:50:03 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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