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Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths
NBCNews ^ | February 15th 2014 | BILL BRIGGS

Posted on 02/15/2014 11:35:27 PM PST by South40

DDuring each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

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1 posted on 02/15/2014 11:35:27 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

...unexpectedly...


2 posted on 02/15/2014 11:37:24 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: null and void

This should be looked at by any state considering the same thing.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 11:39:08 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: South40

4 posted on 02/15/2014 11:45:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: South40

The CHILDREN!!!!


5 posted on 02/15/2014 11:49:59 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: South40

Those who give up freedom for security are bound to be slaves.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 11:50:05 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: South40

I’ll point this out in non-weed states...that you could end up in a serious accident because the other driver is all doped-up on legal prescription drugs....like Oxie. Or you could have some idiot who is wrapping up a high with meth, and he interprets your wave of the hand as being non-friendly and pulls up to shoot you at the next stop-light.

It doesn’t matter what state you reside....you’ve got a threat going on twenty-four hours a day...three-hundred-and-sixty-five days a year.


7 posted on 02/16/2014 12:00:36 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: South40

“As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999...”

Good.

This means that with enough cheap dope, we can rid the nation of these dopers.

Give them all the cheap and powerful drugs they can ingest. Heck, give them pure smack for free.

Get them to kill themselves off as rapidly as possible and clean out the gene pool.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 12:00:59 AM PST by NVDave
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To: pepsionice

Look, I’ve seen brainless blonde twits plow into another car and nearly take out a pedestrian due to texting on her stupid phone. There’s threats everywhere. Banning any of this stuff won’t remove the threat.

The solution is to reintroduce lethal consequences for stupidity into our world, and let evolution do its magic work. Stupid people should have the right and the ability to kill themselves with great ease and a low cost. The only tragedy is that they’re occasionally going to take someone who isn’t stupid with them. But right now, we have so many stupid people breeding like rabbits in this country that we’re being overrun with stupidity.

Time to reinstitute natural selection.


9 posted on 02/16/2014 12:04:17 AM PST by NVDave
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To: riverrunner

I know what you mean. I know exactly what you’re saying.

Here’s one you won’t like: there is no freedom without responsibility.

In other words, we, meaning the majority of folks, should not be required to look out for drunks and stoners killing us or our family members.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 12:04:46 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

No I think personal responsibility is the key.

Making a person responsible for their own actions go’s a long ways to stopping bad behavior.

Instead of allowing them to blame it on some object or thing.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 12:09:28 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: NVDave
Time to reinstitute natural selection.

+1


12 posted on 02/16/2014 12:12:44 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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>> “Nobody hides it anymore when driving,” Cordova said. “They think it’s a joke because it’s legal.”

It’s called Dope for a reason...

And that’s not justification for the WOD.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 12:18:12 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: NVDave

NO, because we still have to be on the roads with these idiots!


14 posted on 02/16/2014 12:29:36 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: South40
But marijuana can be detected in the blood for one week after consumption, perhaps leading chronic consumers to be wrongly arrested, critics of the law assert.

A separate study — also based on FARS data — found that in states where medical marijuana was approved, traffic fatalities decrease by as much as 11 percent during the first year after legalization. Written by researchers at the University of Colorado, Oregon and Montana State University, the paper was published in 2013 in the Journal of Law & Economics.

Those authors theorized pot, for some, becomes a substitute for alcohol. They cited a recent, 13-percent drop in drunk-driving deaths in states where medical marijuana is legal.

“Marijuana reform is associated with … a decrease in traffic fatalities, most likely due to its impact on alcohol consumption,” said Michael Elliott, executive director of the Marijuana Industry Group, a trade association in Colorado.

15 posted on 02/16/2014 12:31:35 AM PST by Hugin
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To: South40

Told you so.


16 posted on 02/16/2014 12:33:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: pepsionice

True. But does that really justify adding to it?


17 posted on 02/16/2014 12:37:52 AM PST by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: SatinDoll

Tis true.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 12:39:31 AM PST by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: kelly4c

It should be as verboten to drive stoned as to drive drunk.

There are measures (how good they are may be under debate, but they at least exist) of what too drunk to drive is.

Are there similar measures of what too stoned to drive is?

Enough carnage and the auto insurers will begin to weigh in.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 12:49:58 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: Hugin
A separate study — also based on FARS data — found that in states where medical marijuana was approved, traffic fatalities decrease by as much as 11 percent during the first year after legalization.

It's those pesky facts again.

20 posted on 02/16/2014 1:21:58 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: South40

Too bad pot heads can’t have dedicated highways just for them. People on drugs should leave normal people alone. They can do what they want with their own marginal lives, but others value life more.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 2:26:25 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: South40
SMILING BOCA RATON WOMAN WAS ALLEGEDLY HIGH ON WEED WHEN SHE SHOT HER FRIEND
22 posted on 02/16/2014 2:41:56 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: pepsionice

“It doesn’t matter what state you reside....you’ve got a threat going on twenty-four hours a day...three-hundred-and-sixty-five days a year.”

Having spent the last 30 plus years in a certain aspect of health care, I can attest that most of driving age Americans are whacked out of their skulls the better part of the day on US Government Certified, FDA approved and DEA sanctioned prescription drugs. They’ve got a drug card and a God given right to take drugs and they’re are not going to be outdone by anyone else.


23 posted on 02/16/2014 3:06:34 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: pepsionice

Drive around the Jersey Shore area any time from 11pm to 4am and it’s a crap shoot. This is more anti-drug bs. Just keep it illegal and keep making criminals rich.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 3:08:04 AM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: South40

Hang in here with me. This is on the subject. In Florida we had mandatory auto inspections for about ten years. The inspectors had all attended a course on how to be rude and take the maximum amount of time. Then, one day, the governor’s wife took their car for an inspection. She got the standard treatment. Two weeks later there were no more inspections.

In Salem the witch trials were making a serious dent in the female population. Then, the governor’s wife was accused of witchcraft. No more witch trials. So until somebody in the governor’s family or in some other powerful politician’s family is killed by a stoned driver, the rest of the populace will have to deal with the day to day tragedy of this situation.

It’s amazing how people with power are separated from the rest of us and can therefore ignore our plight. Back when I owned GM vehicles going to the dealership was a humiliating and painful experience. They were rude, took no account of your time and would lie to your face. (I actually had to go get a newspaper article to prove to the service writer my car had been recalled and then it took several more visits and me paying a couple of hundred to get the problem fixed.) The problem was the top GM brass never dealt with a dealer or kept a car long enough for the problems to manifest.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 4:07:39 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: South40; All

Innocents killed? Collateral damage. The criminals/socialists/totalitarians/banksters are making money from it. The lawyers have more cases for the damage caused. A legislative and agency job/regulation creator. Socialization of risk insurers get to up rate from any carnage (even on the non-smokers). Best of all dopes are euphoric from their substance of choice and are less likely to use their rational faculties to examine the manipulations and plunder of their pushers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN6eTXA0VlI


26 posted on 02/16/2014 4:11:14 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Hugin

I thought CO was the first state. Which states are they referring to?


27 posted on 02/16/2014 4:12:31 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: South40; All

Keep you doped on dope and sex and t.v.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKwXwU5iWs


28 posted on 02/16/2014 4:17:57 AM PST by PGalt
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Colorado DOT (Department of Transportation)

Traffic Safety - Colorado DUI Laws Include Marijuana Impaired Driving.
January 3, 2014

(excerpt)...
Similar to alcohol, there is an established impairment level in Colorado of five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)—the active psychoactive component of marijuana—per milliliter of whole blood. Driving while impaired by any substance is illegal and unsafe.
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“Marijuana affects reaction time, short-term memory, hand-eye coordination, concentration and perception of time and distance. And just like alcohol, people driving while impaired by marijuana can receive a DUI.”
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In addition to driving impaired, it is also illegal to consume or display marijuana on any public roadway, to have marijuana in the passenger area of a vehicle in an open container, container with a broken seal, or if there is evidence marijuana has been consumed.

http://www.coloradodot.info/news/2014-news-releases/01-2014/recreational-marijuana-legal-impaired-driving-not


29 posted on 02/16/2014 4:21:34 AM PST by deks (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: South40
I think people forget that the legal definition of driving under the influence is more than just alcohol--it includes many prescription drugs and definitely all mind-altering substances like higher-THC cannabis, cocaine, "magic" mushrooms, methamphetamine, opiates and certain inhaled substances like specific types of glue.

In short, that's why many prescription drugs have specific warnings against operating machinery.

30 posted on 02/16/2014 4:21:52 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nope.

There is no forensic test for marijuana intoxication. In a case where a subject failed a field sobriety test, the judge threw out the case because there is no laboratory test to confirm, thus legalizing driving while stoned in that state.

Coming to a state near you.


31 posted on 02/16/2014 4:30:21 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Are there similar measures of what too stoned to drive is?

Car and Driver has a good article on this very topic for the March issue. The quick answer is, not really. Check the article for more details. They really do cover it from all sides, IMHO.

32 posted on 02/16/2014 4:46:32 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Ken H
A separate study — also based on FARS data — found that in states where medical marijuana was approved, traffic fatalities decrease by as much as 11 percent during the first year after legalization.

"It's those pesky facts again".

Can you tell me which states the author was referring to? I'm quite sure CO is the first state to legalize, so the facts you are referring to may be made up 'facts'.

33 posted on 02/16/2014 5:12:14 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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As coincidence…FYI

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-15/drugging-america-summarized-19-mind-altering-facts#comments


34 posted on 02/16/2014 5:30:49 AM PST by PGalt
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To: All

Legalized theft.

Legalized corruption.

Legalized drugs.

It all fits.

(from zh poster “No Debt” in above link)


35 posted on 02/16/2014 5:48:51 AM PST by PGalt
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To: NVDave

I agree totally with your post 9. The problem is that our overload of dumb s**ts know how to vote and they’ll put in office—and keep in office—the politicians who will do just what they want them to do.

This observation, of course, applies to just about anything currently on the American political scene.

I think it’s a hopeless situation.


36 posted on 02/16/2014 5:52:47 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: South40

Because a head-in-rectum public allowed laws to be passed to make this stuff “legal” the same public is reluctant to admit that their stupidity led to accidents.

It was predictable! Anybody with a functioning brain could have known.


37 posted on 02/16/2014 6:03:30 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: South40

President Obama proved right once again, no more dangerous than alcohol.


38 posted on 02/16/2014 6:03:59 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: pepsionice

So let’s add another threat.


39 posted on 02/16/2014 6:04:35 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: South40

Don’t let politics overcome your junk-science detector.

There is nothing in this article to suggest that the pot is actually causing an increase in accidents (making the headline unsupported).

Let’s be calm and realize that one can look at fatality rates for states where pot was made legal, and compare the trends with states that keep it illegal.

Pointing out that more people who die are found to have pot in their bloodstream is one thing, but suggesting that it is causing them do die is another. It’s like suggesting that because an increased percentage of blacks are among the fatalities means that blacks are dangerous drivers.

Of course, I accept the hypothesis that pot impairs ability to some degree. it’s just that the facts reported in this article don’t support the hypothesis.


40 posted on 02/16/2014 6:10:10 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Ummm...simple logic would tell you that being stoned impairs your ability to drive. And since it is virtually undetectable, they have little fear of getting caught.


41 posted on 02/16/2014 6:14:18 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Look at this study:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/bchansen/MML_Alcohol_Consumption.pdf

It looks like VERY responsible science and statistics. It explains:
“[unlike alcohol] neither simulator nor driving-course studies provide consistent evidence that these [marijuana] impairments to driving-related functions lead to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009)”

And Figure 2 on page 55 tells the whole story.


42 posted on 02/16/2014 6:34:51 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Can you tell me which states the author was referring to? I’m quite sure CO is the first state to legalize, so the facts you are referring to may be made up ‘facts’.


The study, from a respected CONSERVATIVE legal journal is linked above. It is about the effects of a medical marijuana law reform. 17 states implemented such laws, and the control group are the remaining states. This appears to be responsible science.


43 posted on 02/16/2014 6:38:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: I want the USA back

Because a head-in-rectum public allowed laws to be passed to make this stuff “legal” the same public is reluctant to admit that their stupidity led to accidents.

It was predictable! Anybody with a functioning brain could have known.


Except that the data are contrary to the headline and to your assumptions:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/bchansen/MML_Alcohol_Consumption.pdf


44 posted on 02/16/2014 6:40:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: AppyPappy

Ummm...simple logic would tell you that being stoned impairs your ability to drive.


Yes, simplistic logic tells you that. But if you read the study, they report:
“Laboratory studies have shown that cannabis use impairs driving-related functions such as distance perception, reaction time, and hand-eye coordination (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). However, neither simulator nor driving-course studies provide consistent evidence that these impairments to driving-related functions lead to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009) perhaps because drivers under the influence of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive substance in marijuana, engage in compensatory behaviors such as reducing their velocity, avoiding risky maneuvers, and increasing their “following distances” (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009).
Like marijuana, alcohol impairs driving-related functions such as reaction time and hand-eye coordination (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). Moreover, simulator and driving-course studies provide unequivocal evidence that alcohol consumption leads to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). Even at low doses, drivers under the influence of alcohol tend to underestimate the degree to which they are impaired (MacDonald et al. 2008; Marczinski et al. 2008; Robbe and O’Hanlon 1993; Sewell et al. 2009), drive at faster speeds, and take more risks (Burian et al. 2002; Ronen et al. 2008; Sewell et al. 2009). When used in conjunction with marijuana, alcohol appears to have an “additive or even multiplicative” effect on driving-related functions (Sewell et al. 2009, p. 186), although chronic marijuana users may be less impaired by alcohol than infrequent users (Jones and Stone 1970; Marks and MacAvoy 1989; Wright and Terry 2002).4

Yet the study isn’t advocating, and concludes (with rare scientific restraint):

“However, because other mechanisms cannot be ruled out, the negative relationship between medical marijuana laws and alcohol-related traffic fatalities does not necessarily imply that driving under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving under the influence of alcohol. For instance, it is possible that legalizing medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through its effect on substance use in public. Alcohol is often consumed in restaurants and bars, while many states prohibit the use of medical marijuana in public.35 Even where it is not explicitly prohibited, anecdotal evidence suggests that public use of medical marijuana can be controversial.36 If marijuana consumption typically takes place at home, then designating a driver for the trip back from a restaurant or bar becomes unnecessary, and legalization could reduce traffic fatalities even if driving under the influence of marijuana is every bit as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol.”


45 posted on 02/16/2014 6:44:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: South40

the entire drug issue can be solved right here..www.fhu.com
Period.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 6:48:32 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: South40

Never met a stoner I could trust.


47 posted on 02/16/2014 7:34:35 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: AppyPappy
"being stoned impairs your ability to drive"

For sure, it makes it a lot easier to get lost.

Dang, I spaced out and forgot to turn back there.

48 posted on 02/16/2014 7:37:38 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: South40
Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one.

Oh Honey, tens of thousands can be killed and they still won't take it seriously.

49 posted on 02/16/2014 8:08:41 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Veggie Todd

You didn’t read the study, did you?

It appears that the stoners are smoking instead of drinking now, r may even just be staying home instead of going to bars.

The best information shows that relaxing pot laws makes the rest of us SAFER.


50 posted on 02/16/2014 8:16:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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