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World's largest solar plant scorching birds in Nevada desert
Fox News ^ | 02/15/2014 | Fox News

Posted on 02/16/2014 2:30:44 AM PST by Fzob

A stretch of the Mojave Desert has been transformed by hundreds of thousands of mirrors into the largest solar power plant of its type in the world, but the milestone is being met with criticism from environmental groups concerned about the effect of solar energy on desert wildlife. The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, sprawling across roughly 5 square miles of federal land near the California-Nevada border, formally opened Thursday after years of regulatory and legal tangles ranging from relocating tortoises to assessing the impact on plants. The $2.2 billion complex of three generating units, owned by NRG Energy Inc., Google Inc. and BrightSource Energy, can produce nearly 400 megawatts — enough power for 140,000 homes. It began making electricity last year.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; brightsource; ivanpah; solarpower
2.2 Billon for a 400 Megwatt power station is just asinine. A fossil fuel generators is around 1 mil per megawatt, about 1/5th the capital cost.
1 posted on 02/16/2014 2:30:44 AM PST by Fzob
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To: Fzob

I think that might be off. in the last five years we rewired our plant, installed a scrubber on our 260MW unit, installed SNCRs on both units at a cost of 450 million. The unit total output is about 720MW gross.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 2:42:12 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Fzob

The environmental controls at the 385MW Dry Fork Station cost 336 million. The plant was built in 2011.

http://www.poweringthewest.org/2011/08/17/dry-fork-station-dedication/


3 posted on 02/16/2014 2:46:42 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Fzob

Total cost of The Dry Fork Station was 1.3 billion.


4 posted on 02/16/2014 2:51:23 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: y'all
World's largest solar plant scorching birds in Nevada desert - FOX News

Except that it's located in the Mojave Desert in San Bernardino County, California.

5 posted on 02/16/2014 3:29:15 AM PST by deks (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Fzob
The $2.2 billion complex of three generating units, owned by NRG Energy Inc., Google Inc. and BrightSource Energy, can produce nearly 400 megawatts — enough power for 140,000 homes.

Google KILLS birds?

6 posted on 02/16/2014 4:05:10 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

There was a discussion on this impressive array of panels, earlier in the week. Not sure if it was you who posted it.

7 posted on 02/16/2014 4:16:26 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: Fzob

It should be scorching global warming idiots like Algore.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 4:17:31 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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If anyone is interested, we have several articles about it here. . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/ivanpah/index


9 posted on 02/16/2014 4:26:23 AM PST by deks (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Fzob

If a developer had built that equivalent of homes in the desert the howls from liberals would have been heard all the way to Charlotte, NC. Since it’s a bunch of solar panels, they’re doing Gaia’s (liberals’ Earth goddess) work.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 4:28:52 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Fzob
I like and sometimes feed birds leftover bread/pastry, but this is more tree-hugger worship. The birds will learn to avoid this, and can past this on offspring such as mice can do to trauma: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/11/15/mice-inherit-the-fears-of-their-fathers/
11 posted on 02/16/2014 4:44:16 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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The point is, this environmently pushed plant does more damage tot he environment than 10 fossil fuel plants. It’s like the wind farms, incredibly ugly, and doesn’t put out near what a smaller nuclear or fossil fuel plant can provide.


12 posted on 02/16/2014 4:52:28 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Fzob

Tree huggers hands over ears moving head side to side rapidly saying “La La La La La La.....” Loudly and with feeling.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 4:56:43 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: McGavin999
And, it will a ton of Windex to keep the glass clean in order to get maximum output.
14 posted on 02/16/2014 5:02:49 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

Another interesting point


15 posted on 02/16/2014 5:05:32 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Gaffer

Tastes like chicken


16 posted on 02/16/2014 5:09:38 AM PST by refermech
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To: Coldwater Creek

These are the high technology jobs that kids coming out of college need! Wiping the mirrors at the powerplant, much like being a barrista at Starschmucks requires a Bachelor degree.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 5:31:43 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: McGavin999
The point is, this environmently pushed plant does more damage tot he environment than 10 fossil fuel plants. It’s like the wind farms, incredibly ugly, and doesn’t put out near what a smaller nuclear or fossil fuel plant can provide.

Got it. I was addressing the reason why libs object to this, even though it is a treehugger project itself. "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 1:25)

18 posted on 02/16/2014 5:56:31 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: refermech

http://happyplace.someecards.com/3347/cocker-spaniel-found-poster-tastes-like-chicken


19 posted on 02/16/2014 6:04:23 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Coldwater Creek; McGavin999; Rodamala
You can find articles and YouTube videos on the cleaning process, but I doubt that the low information and mis-information voters really want to know. Demagoguery rules supreme.

They have repellent coatings on them. We have had Teflon and repellent fabrics for decades.

There is not much difference in output between dirty and clean, but dust does lower output.

20 posted on 02/16/2014 6:04:23 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Fzob

I knew that they would burn birds. It was obvious. And I’m not getting paid to know. The idiots who run the show are paid to know, and they failed.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 6:05:18 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Fzob
the milestone is being met with criticism from environmental groups Whose idea it was in the first place!!
22 posted on 02/16/2014 6:15:22 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Fzob

” relocating tortoises “

It’s always something with the environmentalist kooks. Most people haven’t thought through that our nation would have never been settled is this garbage had happened 150 years ago.
Land would have never been (allowed to be) cleared and farmed; etc..


23 posted on 02/16/2014 6:55:45 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Desert=Dust


24 posted on 02/16/2014 7:15:57 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Fzob

Well if it fries birds maybe somebody will finally get to eat crow.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 7:21:35 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You’re right, every one I saw said mix with water, rinse, and if you live in a hard water area (like the Mohave Desert) you should use DI water. That’s interesting


26 posted on 02/16/2014 4:13:12 PM PST by McGavin999
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