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Republicans: Obama violating Constitution, but little can be done about it
foxnews.com ^ | February 16, 2014

Posted on 02/16/2014 10:39:27 AM PST by ilovesarah2012

Washington Republicans on Sunday restated their argument that President Obama has violated the Constitution by using executive orders to alter the Affordable Care Act, but acknowledged they likely have no recourse or ability to stop another incident.

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, told “Fox News Sunday” that congressional Republicans think the president abused the government’s separation of powers by using the executive orders to sidestep Congress and delay the law’s employer mandate.

However, he said critics would have a tough time winning in court because Congress lacks the so-called “legal standing” to present the case and they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.

“The president knows this is wrong,” said Lee, among the most outspoken ObamaCare critics. “What gives him the ability to rewrite the law?”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; democratcare; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 02/16/2014 10:39:27 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

It’s really quite simple: Impeach, indict, arrest, convict, sentence.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 10:42:55 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It’s going to go both ways if we ever get into the white house again


4 posted on 02/16/2014 10:44:20 AM PST by Principled
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To: dainbramaged

Impeach and remove (if you have the votes). The rest of your list is a pipedream.


5 posted on 02/16/2014 10:45:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ilovesarah2012

The House gave away what power it had and now the GOPe is in the comfortable position of complaining and saying they don’t have the Senate so send money.


6 posted on 02/16/2014 10:45:23 AM PST by Truth29
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To: dainbramaged
It’s really quite simple: Impeach, indict, arrest, convict, sentence.and imprison.
7 posted on 02/16/2014 10:45:35 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Waaa, waaa, waas…


8 posted on 02/16/2014 10:45:48 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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9 posted on 02/16/2014 10:46:01 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ilovesarah2012

There is no law in this country anymore. Law enforcement, the “courts”, “judges”, the DOJ are all totally worthless. Just a bunch of slugs drawing paychecks and harassing law abiding Americans. IMHO.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 10:46:03 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As government expands, liberty contracts. - President Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Only the voters can fix this problem. We is doomed.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 10:48:25 AM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: ilovesarah2012

One thing we can do is strengthen the laws once we get in power


12 posted on 02/16/2014 10:49:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Seems to me that "violating Constitution" is grounds for impeachment.
What am I missing here?
I suspect what's missing is cojones by the effete RINOs.
13 posted on 02/16/2014 10:50:12 AM PST by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

The problem is, in the event Republican elites ever manage to win the presidency again, they can’t wait to do all the s**t Obama has been getting away with.


14 posted on 02/16/2014 10:50:33 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: ilovesarah2012
However, he said critics would have a tough time winning in court because Congress lacks the so-called “legal standing” to present the case and they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.

So the Executive usurps powers reserved to the Legislature and the Legislature doesn't think they have standing to go to court?

15 posted on 02/16/2014 10:50:38 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ilovesarah2012

So let me get this straight, Mr. Lee, The president can make Law for which we the People have no say or representation? That about it? We do need to be clear on this.


16 posted on 02/16/2014 10:50:51 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Republicans: Obama violating Constitution, but little can be done about it

Feckless Republicans: Obama violating Constitution, but little can be done about it, because the GOP is too comfortable with the status quo, and Republicans do get their turn at the money troughs.

Mark Levin keeps staying 'we need a new Republican party'.

The trouble with that is voting for the same and expecting a different result. It ain't gonna happen. There are a few rebels in the GOP, but they seem to be culled out quickly.
17 posted on 02/16/2014 10:51:17 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: ilovesarah2012

These guys apparently need some sheesh to go with that whine.

Sheesh.

Grow up and be men. Do your jobs and live up to your responsibilities.

IMPEACH.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 10:51:17 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.

"Hurt enough?" Are you kidding?

Who determines what's "enough?"

Throw lawyers and accountants at them, clog up the courts with lawsuits up the whazoo and take a shot. How about cancer patient or dialysis patients or MS patients who've been already documented as suffering?

And Lee is supposed to be one of the "fighters" for our side?

Is there anyone left in Congress who has even a scinitilla of balls?

19 posted on 02/16/2014 10:51:49 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: ilovesarah2012

” Congress lacks the so-called “legal standing” to present the case and they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.”

Standing! Why doesn’t Congress itself have “legal standing” if the separation of powers is being violated?


20 posted on 02/16/2014 10:52:54 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Patients dying from cancer get refused treatment.

They should have ‘standing’.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 10:53:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

It’s called ‘no cahonies’.


22 posted on 02/16/2014 10:53:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I doubt even one Freeper here can name one thing the GOP has promised
to do if they take the senate and maintain the House, because I have not
heard or read what they plan to do with the power they may be given.


23 posted on 02/16/2014 10:55:29 AM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Amagi

every couple of weeks some repub comes out and claims Obama is violating the law, but they don’t have the balls to do anything.

At breakfast, I grabbed the front section of the LA Crimes at the cafe. They had a puff piece on Holder. This is the guy that fired the investigator who had the mayor of Sacramento, Kevin Johnson, dead to rights. But Johnson was an Obama supporter and one of Holder’s people. Then he applied racial differences to prosecutions and then fast and furious and on and on. Has Holder been removed, of course not.

And some say he’s on his way to the USSC. How will the republicans stop that? They won’t.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 10:56:32 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: tennmountainman

If the repubs had leaders in congress. they would mount a national campaign showing what will happen with a senate GOP majority.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 10:58:06 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: ilovesarah2012

“...critics would have a tough time winning in court because Congress lacks the so-called “legal standing” to present the case and they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.”

Pathetic! Stupid!

This notion of standing has to have a limit, surely. If the American taxpayers don’t have standing to challenge fedgov, we are lost. It is, after all, the taxpayers who fund the government, ultimately; whether operating funds or debt service.


26 posted on 02/16/2014 10:59:27 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Get his many violations on record by impeaching him. And get his co-conspirators in treason on record too, when they (the senate democrats) refuse to remove him for high crimes and treason.


27 posted on 02/16/2014 11:04:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
he said critics would have a tough time winning in court because Congress lacks the so-called “legal standing” to present the case

In the case of usurpation of powers not granted, Congress IS the court.

28 posted on 02/16/2014 11:05:27 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Why doesn’t Congress itself have “legal standing” if the separation of powers is being violated?

... and it's a law passed by Congress that is being illegally changed!!

This has nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to do with "standing". It's that no one in a position of authority -- no judge and certainly no politician -- wants to go down in history as the one responsible for impeaching or removing the first "black" president (even though, of course, the petty tyrant is only fractionally "black" and, more importantly, what is being attacked here by the petty tyrant is the U.S. Constitution itself!)

29 posted on 02/16/2014 11:05:46 AM PST by glennaro
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To: dainbramaged

And execute.


30 posted on 02/16/2014 11:10:37 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: glennaro

Maybe if the MAJORITY (i.e., repubs) in the House would stop funding these illegal moves (and others) they could “do something.” They won’t, however, because they are weak, feckless, spineless, leaderless, ba**less, gelded, whiny, insipid and timid. Whatever happened to the “power of the purse”?


31 posted on 02/16/2014 11:10:51 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: PubliusMM

Why not try impeachment? What have they got to lose? Oh, he’s black.

I am very discouraged. Can you imagine the damage Obama will do in three more years?


32 posted on 02/16/2014 11:12:20 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Interesting that Mr. Lee is so resigned over this.

You can only try.

Write up articles of impeachment. Give it a try. What are they afraid of?

Riots by the Angry Black supporters of the Thug?

Who cares?

Other men fight and die in places like Afghanistan and Iraq over far less, sent there by “men” like Mr. Lee...who I thought had something going.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 11:13:27 AM PST by Regulator
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To: hal ogen

Yeah ... you’d think the timid members of the GOP caucus would be able to deal with something they undoubtedly know a lot about ... Purses!


34 posted on 02/16/2014 11:14:59 AM PST by glennaro
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To: ilovesarah2012

He should be hanged for treason.


35 posted on 02/16/2014 11:15:50 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: dainbramaged

No, it’s simpler than that. Just cut off the money. God loves Lee and Cruz and ao do I, but “Republicans” COULD STOP THIS if they had the balls to do it!

And , I mean ALL OF IT!!!

Call the bastards bluff and “shut er down”. Approve only payments for which there is money in the bank! That’s about 80%. So be it!!

So, pubbies are just as much to blame “as a party” as the democrats. Period!


36 posted on 02/16/2014 11:17:48 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: TalBlack
I think what Senator Lee is saying is that to challenge Obama in court, there has to be someone who has standing on that issue. That would be a specific situation in which someone's rights were violated by Obama's actions.

He's not saying it shouldn't be done if such a viable legal situation happens.

37 posted on 02/16/2014 11:18:29 AM PST by grania
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To: ilovesarah2012

So does this mean that ‘Washington Republicans” think we have a faulty Constitution? Maybe they should join The Bozo in overturning it.


38 posted on 02/16/2014 11:20:38 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: dainbramaged

We can’t impeach 0bama until we take the Senate back. Currently, 0bama could throw live babies into a wood chipper on prime time TV and the Senate would still do nothing.


39 posted on 02/16/2014 11:20:57 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“... and they would have a “tough time” finding somebody hurt enough by the delays to be a good plaintiff.”

It would be easy to find a plaintiff.

Find an employer with 110 employees forced to provide insurance, to sue over his disadvantage competing with an employer with 95 employees that doesn’t have to provide insurance.

Or...

Find an employee in a 90 employee company, in a state with no Medicaid expansion, that doesn’t get insurance, and makes too much for Medicaid.

Both cases should be easy to find.


40 posted on 02/16/2014 11:22:32 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SVTCobra03

If the senate remains democrat majority, the house should still initiate impeachment. It is better to initiate the process and let the dems be on record as supporting the criminal as they did Clinton. And drag him through his own feces for 2 years.


41 posted on 02/16/2014 11:23:29 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grania

“He’s not saying it shouldn’t be done if such a viable legal situation happens.”

Quite right, Lee is not saying this BUT HE IS DOING IT. Very “smart”.


42 posted on 02/16/2014 11:26:30 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 1rudeboy
The rest of your list is a pipedream.
I know, but one can dream to help treat a nightmare.
43 posted on 02/16/2014 11:33:07 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The pubs are loathe to pursue challenges because they fear domestic unrest. They hope to undo the damage after o is gone. Not realistic.
The bottom line is that congress is full of very wealthy men; and rich conservatives are financially at risk if society goes boink.....if they are pauperized with hiring attorneys to defend themselves from federal agencies whose heads are committed to revolution.....if the banks close...if they are detained......if the EPA and NLRB war against their businesses or those in which they have interest.

The situation is not quite bad enough for then to pledge their sacred honor and fortunes....their lives. They, rather, think wishfully for devine Intervention.....or simply to be on the suriving side at the end of this ague.

They have allowed o to proceed unchecked too long. Critical mass is close or past. We descend, I think.
My unlearned opinion.


44 posted on 02/16/2014 11:33:49 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Cen-Tejas

Agree 100%.


45 posted on 02/16/2014 11:34:09 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It is no skin off Valerie’s nose, she is not going to be impeached.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 11:40:44 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Principled
It’s going to go both ways if we ever get into the white house again

No it won't. Republicans never play hardball like the RATS. When the RATS run the House they demand party unity, and take away committee posts if members buck the speaker. The Pubs don't. The Senate pubs refused to use the "nuclear option" to get judges voted on. Harry Reid had no such qualms.

47 posted on 02/16/2014 12:01:59 PM PST by Hugin
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To: ilovesarah2012; All

As a side note to this thread, did anything prevent patriots from electing 2/3 conservative majority control of both Houses of Congress by the 2012 elections, such a possibility evidenced by RINOs taking back the House in 2010? I ask this question because, if this scenario had taken place, then Congress would have had the power, under the Constitution’s Clause 2 of Section 7 of Article I, to override presidential vetoes, and we probably wouldn’t be in the mess that we are now in with Obama, Democrats and RINOs.


48 posted on 02/16/2014 12:03:05 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: ilovesarah2012

With a complicit media, and a public with its head up its anal passageway, there is not much chance for anything to be done about it.


49 posted on 02/16/2014 12:03:44 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The House has the power of the purse and they should use it to defund Obamas pet projects immediately.


50 posted on 02/16/2014 12:04:16 PM PST by jwalsh07
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