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Protest to Vatican over intent to declare Stepinac saint
TANJUG ^ | February 14, 2014 | Tanjug

Posted on 02/16/2014 4:18:32 PM PST by Ravnagora

ZAGREB - Alen Budaj, an associate of the Jerusalem-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, has said that the coutries that are legal successors to the former Yugoslavia, Serbia in particular, must send a strong diplomatic protest to the Vatican over its intention declare Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac a saint.

The Vatican has officially confirmed that Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac will soon be declared a saint.

Immediately upon the entering of the Germans in Zagreb, on April 10, 1941, Stepinac supported the establishment of the Independent State of Croatia (ISC), which was declared a state by the Ustasha (Croatian fascist movement), and in 1945, he fought for the preservation of the regime headed by Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic.

Budaj believes that a protest against sanctifying Stepinac, who took part in the creation and implementation of NDH ideas during World War II, needs to be made even at the cost of breaking off diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

“I hope that the Serbian Orthodox Church will react, since this particular decision made by the Vatican is also undermining the ecumenical relations between the two churches,” Budaj said, stressing that Israel and many Jewish institutions in the territory of the former Yugoslavia should react to this strongly and immediately.

It is not at all surprising that the new Pope Francis is proclaiming Stepinac a saint, as that road was mapped by the Catholic Church in Croatia immediately after the verdict against Stepinac had been delivered, said Budaj, who is also director of the Margel Institute, a Jewish NGO in Zagreb.

On October 11, 1946, Stepinac was found guilty of high treason and war crimes - for his relations with the Croatian Ustasha and collaboration with the occupation forces - and was sentenced to 16 years in prison.

In 1951, he was transferred to his native village of Krasic, where he spent the remainder of his life confined to his home parish until his death on February 10, 1960. As a sign of support, the Vatican awarded Stepinac the title of cardinal in 1952.

Budaj pointed out that already during his trial, the West and the Catholic world considered Stepinac to be a martyr and innocent victim of Communist persecution, that Stepinac has been made a cardinal while alive and beatified after death, and is now to be declared a saint of the Roman Catholic Church.

He would be the only saint to receive a high distinction from the Ustasha headman, and that while being the Archbishop of Zagreb, for a merit he earned as a helper of a fascist, criminal regime, Budaj said, adding that a report about it appeared in Narodne Novine, the official mouthpiece of the NDH.

“While Monsignor Svetozar Ritig, prebendary of the Zagreb Chapter (Kaptol), saw in Pavelic an evil in the making as early as in 1929, Stepinac wholeheartedly greeted and served Pavelic. Ritig has no street (named after him) in Zagreb, as he was an anti-fascist, while Stepinac has all the honors as a clerical fascist,” said Budaj.

Budaj said it is no big wonder that Stepinac will be canonized, as the Vatican was recognized as a state by fascist Benito Mussolini's Lateran Treaty in 1929.

“I do not want to hear about Stepinac’s great merit in ‘saving’ Jews, because he was all the while drawing up in the official Catholic press Pavelic’s racial provisions by which the Jews were taken to concentration camps.

I do not want to hear about his efforts to save certain Serbs, because he was on the Committee of Three in charge of conversions to Catholicism and I do not want to hear about his being a martyr and saint because he left his own Catholic priests to be tortured by the Ustasha in Jasenovac (Ustasha concentration camp) just because they were under suspicion of being opponents of the regime,” Budaj said.

He pointed out that Stepinac never regretted over violent conversion of Serbs into Catholicism or over Jews being forcibly taken to be baptized, even though he knew it would not save them from being taken to the camp.

“He never repented his Catholic ‘baptized souls’ burning Jewish and Serbian churches, plundering around as wild hordes, raping and killing as crusader armies once did across the Holy Land,” Budaj said in an interview for SRNA news agency that was published in Banja Luka-based Nezavisne Novine.

He added that Stepinac knew about it all, but nevertheless bestowed blessings on the NDH and served it, even after its collapse, hiding Ustasha criminals, stolen Jewish gold and Ustasha state archive in the Zagreb Kaptol.

“To me, as a free man, Stepinac will never be a saint, as I am not bound by decisions of the Pope, nor have I lost my mind to believe in that fraudulent alchemy of miraculous transformation of a criminal into a saint,” said Budaj.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alojzijestepinac; antepavelic; croatia; croatians; stepinac; ustashe; vatican; wwii

1 posted on 02/16/2014 4:18:32 PM PST by Ravnagora
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2 posted on 02/16/2014 4:20:10 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

A fascist collaboration with the Germans. Its a shame the Partisans never hanged him.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 4:27:06 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Do you believe the verdicts of all show trials, or just Stepinac’s?


5 posted on 02/16/2014 4:29:34 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Mount Athos

Woe to those who swallow Communist propaganda.


6 posted on 02/16/2014 4:30:17 PM PST by wideawake
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To: goldstategop

The Yugoslav Partisans (communists) did not hang Stepinac because the Yugo Partisans were collaborating with the Fascist Croatian Ustashe.

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7 posted on 02/16/2014 4:34:51 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
Alen Budaj, an associate of the Jerusalem-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, has said that the coutries that are legal successors to the former Yugoslavia, Serbia in particular, must send a strong diplomatic protest to the Vatican over its intention declare Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac a saint. The Vatican has officially confirmed that Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac will soon be declared a saint.

Immediately upon the entering of the Germans in Zagreb, on April 10, 1941, Stepinac supported the establishment of the Independent State of Croatia (ISC), which was declared a state by the Ustasha (Croatian fascist movement), and in 1945, he fought for the preservation of the regime headed by Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic. Budaj believes that a protest against sanctifying Stepinac, who took part in the creation and implementation of NDH ideas during World War II, needs to be made even at the cost of breaking off diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

PFL

8 posted on 02/16/2014 4:36:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Ravnagora

Much ado about nothing. All Christians are saints. Nothing special about proclaiming some better than others. Hocus pocus I say.


9 posted on 02/16/2014 4:37:16 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Ravnagora

Isn’t this the same Simon Weisanthal Center whose Rabbi Abraham Cooper boycotted Pope John Paul II’s trip to Los Angeles?


10 posted on 02/16/2014 4:38:49 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: All

Despite initially welcoming the Independent State of Croatia, Stepinac subsequently condemned the Nazi-aligned state’s atrocities against Jews and Serbs. He objected to the persecution of Jews and Nazi laws, helped Jews and others to escape and criticized Ustaše atrocities in front of Zagreb Cathedral in 1943.

After the war he publicly condemned the new Yugoslav government and its actions during World War II, especially for murders of priests by Communist militants.

-wiki


But feel free to keep buying the BS communist show trial.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 4:42:34 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: All

The trial was immediately condemned by the Holy See. All Catholics who had taken part in the court proceedings, including most of the jury members, were excommunicated by Pope Pius XII who referred to the process as the “saddest trial”

In the United States, one of Stepinac’s biggest supporters was the Archbishop of Boston, Richard Cushing, who delivered several sermons in support of him. U.S. Acting Secretary of State Dean Acheson on October 11, 1946 bemoaned the conditions in Yugoslavia and stated his regret of the trial.

Support also came from the American Jewish Committee, who put out a declaration that On October 13, 1946, The New York Times wrote that,

The trial of Archbishop Stepinac was a purely political one with the outcome determined in advance. The trial and sentence of this Croatian prelate are in contradiction with the Yugoslavia’s pledge that it will respect human rights and the fundamental liberties of all without reference to race, sex, language and creed. Archbishop Stepinac was sentenced and will be incarcerated as part of the campaign against his church, guilty only of being the enemy of Communism.

The National Conference of Christians and Jews at the Bronx Round Table adopted a unanimous resolution on October 13 condemning the trial:

This great churchman has been charged with being a collaborator with the Nazis. We Jews deny that. We know from his record since 1934, that he was a true friend of the Jews...This man, now the victim of a sham trial, all during the Nazi regime spoke out openly, unafraid, against the dreadful Nuremberg Laws, and his opposition to the Nazi terrorism was never relaxed.

In Britain, on 23 October 1946, Mr Richard Stokes MP declared in the House of Commons that,

[T]he archbishop was our constant ally in 1941, during the worst of the crisis, and thereafter, at a time when the Orthodox Church, which is now comme il faut with the Tito Government, was shaking hands with Mussolini....

On November 1, 1946 Winston Churchill addressed the House of Commons on the subject of the trial, expressing “great sadness” at the result.

This trial was prepared in the political sphere. It was for the purpose of dividing the Catholic Church in Croatia from its leadership at the Vatican. Tito has openly expressed this purpose....The trial was not based on justice, but was an outrage on justice. Tito’s regime has no interest in justice. It seeks only to stifle opposition....

[Stepinac] was one of the very rare men in Europe who raised his voice against the Nazis’ tyranny at a time when it was very difficult and dangerous for him to do so.


I’ll go with Winston Churchill on this one. You can go with Tito and the communists.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 4:53:49 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

Credit to wiki


14 posted on 02/16/2014 4:54:39 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

Who is Alen Budaj? Other that this same article repreinted in various outlets, the name doesn’t exist.

The attacks on the Catholic church are amazing. Prayers friends.


15 posted on 02/16/2014 4:56:32 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: faucetman
All Christians are saints.

Amen, brother, amen.

16 posted on 02/16/2014 5:01:44 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Welfare is a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. F.D.R.)
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To: Ravnagora

Stepinac was Beatified in 1998. He was jailed and poisoned by communists. That is as saintly as it gets. May God be merciful and bring justice to those who spread calumny, lies, against those who serve Him and His church, and all Christians being persecuted. God’s justice is swift, that’s all we need to remember.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 5:03:26 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: Mount Athos
Detraction is a sin.

The article above basically adopts the Communist line entirely: Stepinac "fought for" the Pavelic regime "in 1945"?

Pavelic didn't even fight for his own regime in 1945. By spring he fled Croatia for the US Occupation Zone.

All of his actual supporters scattered like roaches.

Why did Stepinac stay behind? He certainly could have fled.

Pavelic ran and hid, because he knew what he had done.

Stepinac stayed to face down the Communists. He endured a show trial. He didn't have to. He stayed for his flock, not for the coward Pavelic.

Oh, and I know that not only Communists lie about Stepinac.

So do socialists. And other leftists. And Serbian nationalists. And anti-Catholics of all stripes.

It was always that way.

18 posted on 02/16/2014 5:04:24 PM PST by wideawake
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To: mgist

In 2004 (age 27) he was researching family history and discovered a war criminal and got a $5,000 reward.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=12463


19 posted on 02/16/2014 5:09:49 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

That link balkanpeace.org you reference has dubious ties.
“THE CENTRE FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS”

BEWARE: This organization was established by the Serbian nationalists in Toronto (Canada) and serves as an extended hand of Belgrade propaganda

Above: Screenshot of “The Centre for Peace in the Balkans” promoting Srebrenica genocide denial material with Edward Herman’s article: “The Politics of the Srebrenica Massacre.” Many similar articles (written by infamous genocide deniers) can be found on their site. To read response to Herman’s denials and conspiracy theories, click here.
Full article continues below...
The Centre for Peace in the Balkans (balkanpeace.org) is a Serbian propaganda media outlet based in Toronto, Canada. Here is a quick overview of this organization:

Objective

This organization presents itself as “balanced and accurate,” “non-profit corporation” with appealing ‘non-partisan’ name working for “peace” and against “the West’s flawed Balkan strategy” in the Balkans, “striving to advocate a balanced and accurate presentation” of the situation in the Balkans and to bring “NATO and military political leaders to stand trial.”

The main objective of this Serbian organization is to manipulate the public opinion with misinterpretation of facts concerning the recent conflict in the Former Yugoslavia. While there is plenty of material on their website portraying Bosniaks, Croats, and Albanians as “terrorists”, there is not a single piece of material on their web site condemning widespread human rights violations and massacres committed by the Serbs. In fact, this seemingly “peace-oriented” web site contains Srebrenica genocide denial material from many disgraced conspiracy theorists (see screenshot).

Who is behind ‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’?

‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ was founded by a young Serbian nationalist - Nikola Rajkovic - who was (according to the Serbian Unity Congres) “born in Montreal, but now permanently resides in Toronto, Canada.” Rajkovic is actively involved in regularly updating the site with copyrighted material lifted from the Reuters, Associated Press, and other stories he finds interesting.

In January 2002, Nikola Rajkovic was elected to serve as a member of FR Yugoslav Council of Diaspora by then Serbian-run Government in Belgrade. The Council is better known as the Canadian-Serbian Council. Nikola Rajkovic is also a Vice-President of Serbian National Shield Society in Canada - an organization run by Serbian immigrants.

According to the Serbian Unity Congress, “Council members from the Motherland have been named on the basis of recommendations received from the Holy Synod of Bishops of the Serbian Orthodox Church.”

This same Church - namely the Serbian Orthodox Church - has been actively involved in encouraging their own people to support imprisoned Serb war criminals at the International Criminal Court for the Former Yugoslavia at the Hague. The Orthodox priest, Father Vojislav Bilbija, even laughed at their indictments for genocide and human rights violations, quote: “[the] individual prisoners have told him that their indictments are so unbelievable that the only thing left for them to do during court trials is smile bitterly.” (See “Loneliness worse than imprisonment for Hague prisoners,” The Path or Orthodoxy, January 2002)

‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ & Srebrenica Genocide Denial

The interesting aim of ‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ seems to be the creation of an atmosphere of exaggerated and false messages of pure Serbian ‘innocence’ in the conflict. Those views deemed to be fit to serve Serbian propaganda are gladly published on their web site. Their favorite essays are republished from such widely circulated Srebrenica genocide denial sources as Edward S. Herman, Stella L. Jatras, Jared Israel, Diana Johnstone, George Pumphrey, Milivoje Ivanisevic, Yossef Bodansky, Nebojsa Malic, David Peterson, and other conspiracy theorists (see here).

As respected British historian Marko Attila Hoare noted:

Quote: “Not a single respectable work of scholarship has been produced by any member of this political category in the West, though they have produced an enormous quantity of what can most charitably be described as extended political tracts, based...largely on other political tracts by other Balkan genocide deniers.... the ‘anti-war’ people in the West write propaganda rather than history about the Balkans; necessarily so, since they believe Yugoslavia was destroyed by a Western or German imperialist conspiracy, and this is not a viewpoint that anyone who actually does research on the subject can sustain. The average MPhil student here at Cambridge would be embarrassed to produce the sort of rubbish churned out by Michael Parenti, Diane Johnstone, Kate Hudson and other ill-informed genocide deniers, whose sole purpose is to confirm other lefties in their anti-Western prejudices.” End Quote (Srebrenica and the London Bombings: The ‘Anti-War’ Link)

The one of the saddest activism by this ‘Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ is the denial and manipulation of Srebrenica genocide. Even though more than 6000 bodies were recovered from Srebrenica’s mass graves and await DNA identification, Serbian propagandists and their revisionist friends hold onto their fictious belief that the number of killed was actually less than 2,500 and that Srebrenica genocide never happened. They even refuse to acknowledge the term Genocide when refering to the Srebrenica massacre and they regularly quote each other in every source they publish (it’s a well established circle of conspiracy theorists drawing opinions from each others’ pre-determined conclusions).

New York - Srebrenica Sisterhood: 7/11 and 9/11

The friendship between the New York and Srebrenica was viewed as a main threat to the twisted nationalist minds running this, so called, ‘Centre for Peace in the Balkans.’ As a result, ‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ voiced its anger against the Srebrenica-New York sisterhood proposal - a symbolic link between Bosnian and American tragedy (9/11 and 6/11). In fact, according to Nikola Rajkovic’s logic published on his web site:

Quote: “Implying that the terror suffered by 9-11 victims in New York is similar to civil war suffering in Srebrenica is factually wrong. As such, a sister-city relationship between New York City and Srebrenica should not be established since it would be an insult to the memory of 9-11 victims.” End Quote

Of course, Nikola Rajkovic and his make-belief “Centre for Peace in the Balkans” fail to grasp that Srebrenica massacre is not just a “civil war suffering” - it’s a genocide. More clearly, it’s a genocide perpetrated by the forces under the command of former Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his war-time General Ratko Mladic. Both of these fugitives from justice succeeded in executing planned genocide (read Karadzic’s words) with full logistical support of Serbia. Therefore, Nikola Rajkovic’s hate-inspired statements are insult not only to the victims of 7/11 and 9/11, but also step back for any chance of lasting peace and ethnic reconciliation. As of today, Rajkovic’s “Centre for Peace in the Balkans” still refuses to call for an arrest of indicted Serb war criminals who committed genocide in Srebrenica.

Nikola Rajkovic Fears Serb Children Will Learn About Genocide

The founder of ‘The Centre for Peace in the Balkans’ - Serbian nationalist Nikola Rajkovic - is obsessed with perceived bias of anything “Western” against Serbia. One has to glance over his article, “Serbdom in the 21st Century” (which he published at Serbian Unity Congress web site), to understand the level of his obsession against Western influence on Serbs and Serbia:

Quote: “...the Serbian name and identity has been under a constant media and public relations attack... there is an identifiable group of foreign journalists and foreign policy makers who have built their entire careers on denigrating the Serb name and reputation.... Serbdom will continue to suffer catastrophic consequences... Are the Serbs of Yugoslavia prepared to be made the scapegoats for the wars of the 1990s? ...picking up the local (foreign) newspaper or turning on the television usually means enduring the following headline, Evil Serb convicted of genocide. What kind of effect will such unchallenged propaganda have on Serbian children living abroad? What will Serbian children say when they are asked to identity their heritage? ...the long-term consequences of unchallenged propaganda and racism in foreign languages will be catastrophic to our identity and culture. If you need more proof, just read the foreign newspapers of the last ten years.” End Quote

And again, ‘The Center for Peace in the Balkans’ founder, refuses to challenge his own logic. He plays innocent card by suggesting that he does not understand why his people were in the news and why individuals from his people were accused and convicted of genocide, wide scale massacres, ethnic cleansings and other evils. For him, Serbs and Serbia are pure victims and he is more frustrated about Serb children learning that individual Serb people committed genocide against Bosniaks, than condemning those same crimes of genocide (let alone calling for war criminals hiding in Serbia to be arrested).

Rajkovic is disturbed by “foreign newspapers” for documenting wide scale massacres in Bosnia and Kosovo; these massacres were overhelmingly committed by the Serb (para)-military forces under the leadership of indicted war criminal Radovan Karadzic and his indicted partner in crime General Ratko Mladic, both wanted on genocide charges and both fugitives from the international justice. He avoids condemning them or publishing any material criticising Serbs or Serbia.

Recommending Denial of Reality

‘The centre for Peace in the Balkans’ does not hide it’s bias; it recommends links to other web sites containing Srebrenica genocide denial material, and some of them include “Emperor’s Clothes,” “AntiWar,” “CounterPunch,” “ZNet,” “FrontPage Magazine” and sources of fiction and conspiracy.

Five Principles by De La Brosse

The fundamental principles of Serbian propaganda, highlighted by de la Brosse, haven’t changed. Five key principles are:

1. Keep it simple;
2. Project one’s own faults onto the enemy;
3. Use the news to one’s own advantage through exaggeration, distortion and omission;
4. Repeat the message endlesly; rely on myths and (revisionist) history; and
5. Create a national consensus.

The Serbian propaganda has been based on the same techniques as used by Adolf Hitler, with the added power of television and the Internet. To weld the population together, official propaganda draws on the sources of the Serbian mystique, that of a people who are ‘mistreated’ victims and ‘martyrs’ of history and that of Greater Serbia, indissolubly linked to the Orthodox religion and Eastern-Orthodox allies (e.g. Russia, Greece).

This type of propaganda clearly operates as a denial movement whose real aim is to fully absolve Serbia and Serbs of any responsibility for widespread war crimes, ethnic cleansings, and genocide in Srebrenica perpetrated for the sake of unfulfilled “Greater Serbia” dream.

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2007/11/centre-for-peace-in-balkans.html


22 posted on 02/16/2014 5:19:08 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: Ravnagora

Communist + Anti-catholic propaganda = a winning combination!


23 posted on 02/16/2014 5:23:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: mgist

Thanks for the tip.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 5:27:51 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: mgist
The Serbian propaganda has been based on the same techniques as used by Adolf Hitler,

As opposed to the Catholic Croatians, who actually were allied with Hitler and the Nazis and ran death camps akin to Auschwitz that mass murdered Serbs and Jews.
25 posted on 02/16/2014 5:34:19 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: wideawake; Mount Athos

Did a little more digging and found this:

In 1985 Jakov Blazevic, the man who conducted Stepinac’s trial, admitted that the cardinal had been framed.

Kind of changes things a bit don’t you think?


26 posted on 02/16/2014 5:38:01 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Mount Athos; mgist
MA conveniently forgets those among Serbian Orthodox who were allied with Hitler, and the collaborationist fascist leader of Serbia, Milan Nedic.

What? Serbia had its own Pavelic? Serbs collaborated with Nazis too? Orthodox clergy helped the Nazis also - and then collaborated as spies for the Communist government after the war?

We'll wait a long time before any of the Milosevic fans on FR admit the truth.

27 posted on 02/16/2014 5:40:10 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Mount Athos

PFL


28 posted on 02/16/2014 5:41:54 PM PST by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: wideawake

“After the war, Marshall Tito demanded that Stepinac break with Rome and establish a new “patriotic church.” Stepinac refused. Hence, he was the subject of trumped up charges of collaborating with the Nazis.

The show trial was so farcical that Louis Brier, president of the American Association of Jews, said at the time that “This great man [Stepinac] was tried as a collaborator of Nazism. We protest this slander. He has always been a sincere friend of Jews and was not hiding this even in times of cruel persecution under the regime of Hitler and his followers. He was the greatest defender of the persecuted Jews.”

Further proof that Cardinal Stepinac was not guilty of working with the Nazis came in 1985. That was the year that the man who originally tried him, Jakov Blazevic, admitted publicly that Cardinal Stepinac’s trial was framed from beginning to end and that the only reason he was tried was his refusal to break with the Roman Catholic Church.

It is for these reasons that the Catholic League contacted Rabbi Abraham Cooper, editor-in-chief of Response, asking him to comment on these facts. We also asked him, “Are you similarly quiescent in accepting the convictions of Jewish dissidents, like Natan Sharansky, by Soviet courts?”

http://www.catholicleague.org/slandering-stepinac/


29 posted on 02/16/2014 5:44:02 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Ravnagora

Sainthood is not like the Nobel Peace Prize which is given to any dog that meets the favor of the left. There’s a lot of waiting and research completed before someone is given sainthood to make sure the person is worthy. I have doubts about the legitimacy of the protest.


30 posted on 02/16/2014 5:50:07 PM PST by virgil
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To: Mount Athos

Matthew 12:36

I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

Proverbs 10:18 ESV

The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

1 Peter 3:16

Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

Psalm 101:5

Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly I will destroy. Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart I will not endure.

James 4:11

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Proverbs 16:28

A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends.

Titus 3:2

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Luke 6:45

The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Matthew 5:11

“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.

1 Peter 2:1

So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander.

Exodus 20:16

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

1 Corinthians 4:13

When slandered, we entreat. We have become, and are still, like the scum of the world, the refuse of all things.

Matthew 7:12

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Proverbs 11:9

With his mouth the godless man would destroy his neighbor, but by knowledge the righteous are delivered.

1 Peter 3:10

For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit;

Proverbs 20:19

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.

Exodus 23:1

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Mark 7:20-23

And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Psalm 109:3

They encircle me with words of hate, and attack me without cause.

James 1:19-20

Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

Ephesians 4:32

Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Psalm 50:20

You sit and speak against your brother; you slander your own mother’s son.

1 Corinthians 6:10

Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 3:1-5

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

Ephesians 4:31-32

Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Proverbs 26:28

A lying tongue hates its victims, and a flattering mouth works ruin.

Proverbs 17:9


31 posted on 02/16/2014 6:02:24 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

Pope Francis: “where there is calumny, there is the devil”

God tells how we respond to calumny. Leave it in God’s hands. His justice is swift.
Romans 12:
Rejoice in hope, endure in affliction, persevere in prayer.i
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Contribute to the needs of the holy ones,j exercise hospitality.
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* Bless those who persecute [you],k bless and do not curse them.l
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Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.m
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Have the same regard for one another; do not be haughty but associate with the lowly; do not be wise in your own estimation.n
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Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all.o
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If possible, on your part, live at peace with all.p
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Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”


32 posted on 02/16/2014 6:13:02 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

Titus Chapter 3:8

Advice to Titus.* I want you to insist on these points, that those who have believed in God be careful to devote themselves to good works; these are excellent and beneficial to others.g
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* Avoid foolish arguments, genealogies, rivalries, and quarrels about the law,h for they are useless and futile.
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After a first and second warning, break off contact with a heretic,i
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realizing that such a person is perverted and sinful and stands self-condemned.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 6:35:53 PM PST by mgist (.)
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To: Ravnagora

It looks like a political canonization to me. A controversial person, his martyrdom is highly questionable. A martyr is someone who was killed for refusal to renounce the faith, in the Stepinac’s case this is not a proven fact.


34 posted on 02/16/2014 10:29:57 PM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
Two points of fact, that some on this thread are unclear about:

(1) One does not need to be canonized to be a saint.

(2) Not everyone who is canonized is a martyr - canonization does not equal martyrdom.

A question: why would this canonization be political? Clearly the forces of political correctness are marshaled against it, and there is little political advantage to canonizing a man the mainstream media are bent on demonizing.

Stepinac was an anti-Communist because he was a Christian believer and pastor. He was put on a show trial because he refused to join the Communists in subverting the Church. I suppose this was a political act from a Communist perspective, but from a Christian perspective it was the only thing to do.

35 posted on 02/17/2014 3:04:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
1. I agree that martyrdom isn't the only reason for making a person a saint. Anyway it was the reason for the beatification of Stepinac - as I've learned from Wikipedia.

2. Stepinac is an icon of the Croatian nationalism, as well as Catholicism is a part of it. Croation nationalists are eager for Stepinac to be canonized, it's issue of their appeasement, which would bring a political gain for Vatican in Croatia. The "PC forces" you mentioned are Serbs, who are Orthodox and are unlikely to convert to Catholicism, so their voices may be ignored.

3. Stepinac supported the Croatian Nazi state which existed during the WWII. While there's no evidence he was responsible for any nazi crimes himself. This makes him a controversial person.

36 posted on 02/17/2014 3:46:08 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Mount Athos

The Orthodox Christian Church usually doesn’t comment on what occurs outside of the One holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. This is clearly one of those times.


37 posted on 03/02/2014 8:00:28 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

I’m bowing out of this discussion


38 posted on 03/02/2014 9:36:23 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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