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Why Lewinsky Shouldn't Be a GOP Talking Point (Barf alert)
The National Journal ^ | Sunday, February 16, 2014 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 02/17/2014 8:34:52 AM PST by kristinn

Bill Clinton uses a car-racing metaphor to explain the difference between rash and calm decision-making in politics. “The great drivers, when the cars get close, the turns get hairy, they calm down, and they see everything, and they act,” he says. “The ones who are fearful and can't concentrate and can't calm down, run into the wall.”

Republican leaders should pay attention, because on the issue of whether Clinton’s sex life is relevant 14 years after he left office, they’re once again careening toward a wall.

Sen. Rand Paul dredged up Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky and his subsequent impeachment, telling an interviewer last month that Democrats don’t have the moral high ground on women’s issues because the former president’s “predatory” behavior toward the White House intern.

“One of the workplace laws and rules that I think are good is that bosses shouldn’t prey on young interns in their office. And I think the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this,” the Kentucky Republican said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

SNIP

I’ll add one more reason. Focusing voters on the past may be a subtle way to argue that Hillary Clinton is not about the future.

Here’s the problem: While Clinton bashing may be a good pre-primary tactic, it’s a lousy politics for the Republican Party in general. We know that because Clinton registered the highest approval ratings of his presidency during the period between the January 1998 exposure of his affair and February 1999, when the Senate voted to acquit him.

In July 2012, Clinton’s approval rating registered at 66 percent, higher than any time since he left office. Two-thirds of women gave him high marks, as did 44 percent of Republicans.

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Being a sexual predator is no big deal when you're a liberal Democratic ex-president trying to get your enabling, predatory wife elected president.
1 posted on 02/17/2014 8:34:52 AM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

OK. Let’s talk about Vince Foster. Brown or any of the others on THE list!


2 posted on 02/17/2014 8:39:22 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: kristinn

For Ron, it’s bad form - not cricket, to bring up events for which Hillary and Bill have no defense except “BJs aren’t sex” and what the meaning of “is” is.

You have to only bring up Hillary’s record! No, er wait. Anything but BENGHAZI! Anything but what she didn’t do as SoS, anything like that.


3 posted on 02/17/2014 8:39:42 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: kristinn
RE :”Here’s the problem: While Clinton bashing may be a good pre-primary tactic, it’s a lousy politics for the Republican Party in general. We know that because Clinton registered the highest approval ratings of his presidency during the period between the January 1998 exposure of his affair and February 1999, when the Senate voted to acquit him.
In July 2012, Clinton’s approval rating registered at 66 percent, higher than any time since he left office. Two-thirds of women gave him high marks, as did 44 percent of Republicans.”

Explains why there are so many single Mom families today, they didn't have stable Mom's and Dads to teach them right from wrong.

4 posted on 02/17/2014 8:39:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: kristinn

Sadly, Americans no longer seem to care about the sexual morality of their leaders.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 8:41:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kristinn

Was it Steinem who said every man gets one free grope. Or something disgusting to that effect?


6 posted on 02/17/2014 8:42:27 AM PST by DManA
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To: kristinn

Anything that does political damage to Hillary must be taken off the table. Lewinsky is bad enough. Don’t even mention Juanita Broaddrick.


7 posted on 02/17/2014 8:43:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: kristinn

Wonder who got the most women Bill or Hillary?.


8 posted on 02/17/2014 8:43:24 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: kristinn

The libs, and many of the GOP as well, are missing a key point. The left has declared that the GOP is guilty of a “war on women”. In fact, most of the perpetrators of any such war are Democrats. By bring up all of the crimes of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Republicans inoculate themselves from such attacks. Any attack can easily be repelled by turning the tables on the Democrats by bringing up the truth. The “war” will be over.


9 posted on 02/17/2014 8:47:17 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: kristinn

Mr. Fournier may be tactically correct. When Republicans start talking about women, they sound like textbook misogynists. Calling women - even Hillary - sluts, ugly, whores, fat, c***s, dykes, and so on is not going to win votes.


10 posted on 02/17/2014 8:47:27 AM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: kristinn

Clinton lied.
Clinton paid an intern to lie under oath.
Clinton engaged in workplace sexual harassment.
Clinton’s wife engaged in a campaign of terror and smears against those who might speak out (including the victims).

NOW feminazis don’t give Rat’s a$$ about women.

The War on Woman is being waged alright and the Democrats are the ones against them!


11 posted on 02/17/2014 8:48:13 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kristinn
telling an interviewer last month that Democrats don’t have the moral high ground on women’s issues because the former president’s “predatory” behavior toward the White House intern.

What he said was a little more complicated than this. But don't let that get in your way, Ron.
12 posted on 02/17/2014 8:49:30 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: kristinn

Everyone should read Kathleen Willeys commentary, linked at DRUDGE today.

She’s given us the ultimate talking point:

Whenever the RATs say “War on Women”, we respond by saying:

“Hillary Clinton IS the War on Women!”

Repeat until Nov. 2016.


13 posted on 02/17/2014 8:49:56 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Tax-chick

Democrats were misogynist towards Hillary and even called Bill and Hillary racists during the 2008 primary when she was challenging the Golden Child Barack Hussein Obama. Even Bill spoke out about being called a racist.

After she negotiated a cabinet position, all was forgiven.

The Democrats then doubled up on their misogyny against Sarah Palin (calling her a c**t, a b***h, lynching her in effigy, making rape jokes about her and her daughter on national television).

I ain’t buying it.

The Rats are anti-woman.


14 posted on 02/17/2014 8:51:05 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kristinn
Back in the day the Republicans were dragged kicking and screaming to impeachment. They didn't to do it but what happened with Lewinisky, the coverup and the hypocrisy was so blatant that it couldn't be ignored. So the ramifications of exactly what happened never got out thanks to the press.

The left is screaming about this because they're trying to rewrite history. In reality Hillary aided and abetted a serial sexual predator. She is the anti-women candidate and that point needs to be hammered home.

15 posted on 02/17/2014 8:54:47 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: kristinn

Personally, I thought the whole thing stunk.

Kenneth Starr was named with the expectation that he would waste vast amounts of money and importantly, time, yet would not seriously investigate any the really illegal crap the Clintons had done. And he did exactly what they wanted him to.

Bill and Hillary were facing dozens of serious felony accusations, none of which were investigated. But to put a final nail into the coffin, to demonstrate that the POTUS is indeed “above the law”, Starr finally took a petty charge, pretended that it mattered, and presented it to the Republican house, knowing full well that the embarrassed senate would never convict.

And they didn’t.

As such, the impeachment was made into a joke, and the Republicans suffered for it, even being berated by their RINO leadership in the senate. The end result was “How DARE you peasants question your betters?”

And that is what the Lewinsky affair amounts to.

It is only being brought up now because both the RINOs and the Democrats think of it as an embarrassment to the conservatives. Like a parent at a dinner party, telling their family friends about embarrassing things their now adult children did when they were young. In front of their adult children.

“Well, little Bobby had just reached puberty and was confused about his sexuality, which explains ‘the monkey incident’ at the zoo.”

Such a display of meanness is not done for Robert’s benefit, but to humiliate him by reminding him of his humiliation.

And by bringing up the Lewinsky affair, that is exactly what the RINO leadership and the Democrats want to happen.

They are once again spitting on us.


16 posted on 02/17/2014 8:55:53 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: kristinn

I’m a whole lot more worried about Hill’s pro-Islamicist ties than anything Billy might get into (so to speak)...

another 8 years of sell-out to our enemies may very well leave America so weakened as to be unable to ever recover


17 posted on 02/17/2014 8:55:53 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: a fool in paradise
The Rats are anti-woman.

I agree. However, the MSM conspires to hide a lot of it, while shining a bright light on the attitudes of Republicans.

I don't think that emphasizing Bill Clinton's sexual history is a winning tactic. However, I could be wrong; time will tell.

18 posted on 02/17/2014 8:57:23 AM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: kristinn
In 1992, Clinton Conceded Marital 'Wrongdoing'
19 posted on 02/17/2014 8:58:11 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: kristinn

Frankly, his lying to a Federal grand jury and the raping of Juanita Broaddrick is what is the most important point. Broaddrick can;t bring a case to court, but she can really destroy HC (if Broaddrick does not get destroyed first).


20 posted on 02/17/2014 8:58:33 AM PST by celmak
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To: kristinn
Clinton on Flowers '92
21 posted on 02/17/2014 8:59:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: kristinn
Hillary on 60 Minutes: 'Voters Are Tired of People Who Lie to Them'
22 posted on 02/17/2014 9:02:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Tax-chick

It is about exposing hypocrisy. Hillary was NOT in the dark as she pretends.

She said in 1992 that Gennifer Flowers was a fraud and that Hillary wasn’t some little woman standing by her cheatin’ man.

O really?

She is a thug. Even if the Lewinsky affair was consensual and without “coercion”, in the 60s, 70s, and 80s NOW said it was an abuse of power for a boss to hire a pretty secretary and take her willingly for overnight weekend trips for sexual encounters.

And there were plenty of allegations by women who were disgusted by his workplace harassment of them (at least one alleging rape).

This is why the whole issue of whether Bill was engaging in workplace affairs was germane to the Paula Jones’ lawsuit.

Bill Clinton was a sexual predator making unwelcome advances and used police intimidation to get his encounters and keep those who held information quiet.


23 posted on 02/17/2014 9:05:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kristinn

The problem with Lewinski is it was Bill’s problem.

The only way to make an issue of it is to point out that Hillary was either deliberately covering for Bill, or was ignorant of the relationship. Given Bill’s track record, the latter is hardly possible.

It is more important to go after Hillary’s problems as a policy maker - her catastrophic HEALTH PLAN, her propensity for lying (the “lost” IRS documents and her idiotic statements about Bosnia) and her miserable failure as head of the State Department. The issues with Vince Foster, etc. are also fair game.

But HILLARY should be the target, not Bill. HILLARY is running.


24 posted on 02/17/2014 9:05:29 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The War on Woman is being waged alright and the Democrats are the ones against them!

This war on women meme is really off base when you look at the 2012 exit polls. Romney won the white women's vote 56% to 42%. He won the married women's vote 53% to 46%'

What skews the women's vote is race and ethnicity. Obama won the women's vote 55% to 44% largely due to the fact he won the black women's vote 96% to 3% and the latina vote 76% to 23%. All others (excluding whites) including Asians 66% to 31%. Taken together, blacks, latinas, and others constitute 19% of the electorate while white women were 38% of the electorate.

The GOP should be pointing this out.

25 posted on 02/17/2014 9:07:51 AM PST by kabar
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To: kristinn

There really does seem to be a concerted push to MAKE Monica a prime issue agains the Hildabeast.

Not her getting kicked off the Nixon impeachment team for corruption, being disbarred, her roll in the Whitewater scandal, not even her role in the Benghazi cover-up...

Ignore decades of corruption.
Bury those issues.

Make it about sex and her Liberal talking heads can turn it into a “Republican attack on women”/”Hillary was a brave Victim”.


26 posted on 02/17/2014 9:12:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: kristinn
“whether Clinton’s sex life is relevant 14 years after he left office”

Ron must have missed lying under oath and disbarment for doing so and also disgracing the office of the President. But Ron has always been a Clinton *ss kisser from his Arkansas days, no big surprise.

27 posted on 02/17/2014 9:12:49 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kristinn
FOCUS LIKE A LASER! The key for any Republican to gain traction is to stay focused on a single talking point when it comes to the Rat "War on Women" talking point.

Rand Paul has a great idea. Bill Clintoon is the leader of the Rat party. Bill Clintoon IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR. So anytime the conversation comes up about the "War on Women" then there should be a strict adherence to hoisting up the Rat party icon and reminding people of his sexual harassment of a young woman college intern!

28 posted on 02/17/2014 9:15:34 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: kristinn
Republican leaders should pay attention, because on the issue of whether Clinton’s sex life is relevant 14 years after he left office, they’re once again careening toward a wall.

I would not in general hold it against a woman if her former husband had been a sexual predator; it's easy for a naive young woman to fall for a charming rogue. When a woman has the poor judgement or the lust for power to stay with a known serial predator because of his influence, it reflects on her character. When that woman (as with Hillary) leads the war against those women who tell the truth about a sexual predator and coordinates a "nuts and sluts" campaign to demonize women whose only offense is telling the truth, I consider that to be a central issue. We should attack Hillary because she is a bully, because her actions were evil, and because her conduct was inexcusable, not merely "because of her husband's sex life". The key is to clarify the nature of her offense and not permit the liberal media to make it "just about sex".

29 posted on 02/17/2014 9:15:50 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Re:Fornigate, Hillary would just shrug and say “WHATEVER.”

But then again, she does that with every scandal.


30 posted on 02/17/2014 9:18:25 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: kristinn

Will we ever again get to the point of talking freedom, liberty, respect of the Constitution, private property, true prosperity, equality of opportunity vs equality of outcomes, and the joys of being a sovereign nation?

Or is that a hard concept for the party bosses to grasp?


31 posted on 02/17/2014 9:22:08 AM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: kristinn

we learned from Sarah Palin that McCains campaign people told her “hands off Obama” and his background.

Rush said today that Romney people told him that the GOP strategy during that campaign was “hands off Obama”.

and now the GOP is telling everyone it’s “hands off Hillary and Bill” and their history.

OK, and we are supposed to think there is NOT a Uniparty??


32 posted on 02/17/2014 9:26:38 AM PST by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: Gaffer
For Ron, it’s bad form - not cricket, to bring up events for which Hillary and Bill have no defense except “BJs aren’t sex” and what the meaning of “is” is.

Just as Mitt Romney apparently thought it was "not cricket" to bring up Benghazi during the debates in 2012. Romney was playing cricket while Obama played hardball.

33 posted on 02/17/2014 9:29:35 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

True....disgusting RINOism


34 posted on 02/17/2014 9:30:25 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: kristinn

By all means let’s take advice from an Obama house journalist.


35 posted on 02/17/2014 9:32:16 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: ZULU; a fool in paradise
To quote ZULU in post 24:

It is more important to go after Hillary’s problems as a policy maker - her catastrophic HEALTH PLAN, her propensity for lying (the “lost” IRS documents and her idiotic statements about Bosnia) and her miserable failure as head of the State Department. The issues with Vince Foster, etc. are also fair game.

I agree that Hillary is hypocritical, and that blaming the women instead of Bill for his behavior is pretty obviously anti-women. However, I don't believe this is the message that will reach the potential voters.

36 posted on 02/17/2014 9:39:30 AM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: kristinn
www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/clintonfriends.htm‎ This a list of people associated with Bill Clinton...all of whom have died, some of them under mysterious circumstances.
37 posted on 02/17/2014 9:51:03 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: kristinn
Hill said that the Lewinsky charges would "...slowly dissipate over time under the weight of [their] own insubstantiality."

Didn't happen did it Hill?

38 posted on 02/17/2014 10:01:37 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Phlap
She made that statement in February, 1998. It is obviously taking longer than she thought.lol
39 posted on 02/17/2014 10:05:08 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Tax-chick
I don't believe this is the message that will reach the potential voters.

It won't come from your "free" press that is for sure.

40 posted on 02/17/2014 10:07:28 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: bigbob
Whenever the RATs say “War on Women”, we respond by saying: “Hillary Clinton IS the War on Women!”

It's a great start, but it needs to be wrapped around the necks of all of the democrats using the meme of "Hillary, Mayor Filner, Anthony Weiner" as being the true example of the true war on women. It's the democrats, stupid. Harassment, it's who they are.

41 posted on 02/17/2014 10:15:22 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: kristinn

If Hillary will tolerate adultery from her husband, what other evil acts will she tolerate?!


42 posted on 02/17/2014 11:42:48 AM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Sadly, Americans no longer seem to care about the sexual morality of their leaders.

Probably. Considering the condition of our country in so many areas, many existential in nature, the focus on a subject already beat to death seems insignificant.

43 posted on 02/17/2014 2:49:03 PM PST by Joan Kerrey (The larger the government, the smaller the people)
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