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Treatment or Jail: Patrick Kennedy Wages Fierce Anti-Pot Crusade
NBCnews ^

Posted on 02/17/2014 11:15:17 AM PST by gooblah

As a hard-partying teenager, Patrick Kennedy met President Reagan at a fundraiser for the JFK Library, a meeting captured in a photograph that the former Rhode Island congressman now hangs in his home office. He used to think of it as a funny episode, a collision of Camelot’s cocaine kid and America’s foremost opponent of illegal drug use. But Kennedy took his last hit of anything in 2009, and he’s since honed an anti-drug message that sounds a bit like Reagan with a Boston brogue.

Kennedy believes there is "an epidemic in this country of epic dimensions when it comes to alcohol and drugs.” He'd like to treat it all, but he’s convinced that the single biggest threat to America’s mental health is free-market marijuana. So even as Democrats favor the legalization of pot—by a 34-point margin, according to the latest WSJ/NBC News poll—the scion of America’s most famous Democratic family has broken ranks, criticized the White House, and aligned with the likes of Newt Gingrich to warn voters against trying to tax and regulate today’s psychoactive chlorophyll.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: libertarians; marijuanalaw; massachusetts; medicalmarijuana; newtgingrich; paleolibs; patrickkennedy; presidentreagan; rhodeisland; ronaldreagan; temperancemovement; warondrugs; zerotolerance

1 posted on 02/17/2014 11:15:17 AM PST by gooblah
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To: gooblah

The biggest threat to America is holier than thou do gooders.


2 posted on 02/17/2014 11:18:00 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: gooblah

Kennedys are such sleazebags.


3 posted on 02/17/2014 11:18:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: gooblah

Should he not be going against Ambien,
which he was on during his last car accident
into a Capitol police barrier?


4 posted on 02/17/2014 11:18:20 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

“I have a problem with drugs and alcohol so you can’t have any”.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 11:19:23 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: gooblah
He ticks through studies showing that smoked marijuana is “associated with” or “linked to” IQ loss, psychosis, and self-reported dissatisfaction with life. “It takes you to the same place as cocaine or heroin,” he often adds. “It just takes longer.”

LOL. And Patrick Kennedy is a great poster child for the proposition that prolonged marijuana use causes IQ loss and psychosis later in life.

6 posted on 02/17/2014 11:19:48 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: gooblah

Drugs are a scourge and our country will be adversely affected by legalizing them. I am conflicted on the issue though. My libertarian side says one thing but social conservative side says another. Things were better in the 1940’s and 50’s. I wish we could jump into a time machine and go back there.


7 posted on 02/17/2014 11:21:12 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

If anybody knows anything about drug abuse it’s Patrick Kennedy.He and his family should be the spokespersons for Narcotics Anonymous.


8 posted on 02/17/2014 11:27:14 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: gooblah

Pfah.

An Irishman campaigning against pot and dope, claiming that they’re the big danger?

Riiight.

And other than pot, coke and pills, the Irish are just as sober as judges, right?


9 posted on 02/17/2014 11:29:52 AM PST by NVDave
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To: puppypusher

Actually, they’re the faces that should have been on every poster that used to read:

“No Irish Need Apply.”


10 posted on 02/17/2014 11:30:36 AM PST by NVDave
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To: gooblah
But Kennedy took his last hit of anything in 2009, and he’s since honed an anti-drug message that sounds a bit like Reagan with a Boston brogue.

Nothing worse than a self righteous ex-anything.
11 posted on 02/17/2014 11:31:11 AM PST by microgood
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To: 3Fingas

I gave up alcohol on Jan 1-age 60. Don’t miss it and have no cravings. A pre-diabetic medical diagnosis will do that to you. I don’t think it’s that easy for most people. While alcohol ‘never did a thing for me’ It went really good with meals. Consumption was 3 drinks a day. Was it a problem? Waking up headache free and not as tired would suggest it was.


12 posted on 02/17/2014 11:34:50 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Congratulations on giving up alcohol. I have never had a drinking problem, but I do have my own issues with tobacco. One day, I hope to get that behind me.


13 posted on 02/17/2014 11:38:28 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: gooblah
Pot is bad stuff. This is not an arguable issue. However, the problem is a moral one. Laws against morally bad behavior that harms only the person engaging in it are also bad stuff.

If we have to have laws, let's make it a crime to drive under the influence of pot, cocaine, etc. If we have to have laws, let's make being stoned an aggravating factor in crimes of violence.

However, there's no point in going after the stoner who sits in his living room toking, while harming no one but himself. I want to keep the cops out of people's living rooms, not just out of their bedrooms.

14 posted on 02/17/2014 11:43:40 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Chuckster

Legalizing marijuana is not a good idea. It is a gateway drug to other drugs and stunts the intellectual development of the brain.


15 posted on 02/17/2014 11:44:08 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks gooblah.
...he’s convinced that the single biggest threat to America’s mental health is free-market marijuana. So even as Democrats favor the legalization of pot—by a 34-point margin, according to the latest WSJ/NBC News poll—the scion of America’s most famous Democratic family has broken ranks, criticized the White House, and aligned with the likes of Newt Gingrich to warn voters against trying to tax and regulate today’s psychoactive chlorophyll.

16 posted on 02/17/2014 11:44:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Good for you. Wishing you the best.


17 posted on 02/17/2014 11:48:44 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ouderkirk
and stunts the intellectual development of the brain

But, but, but the Choom Brother ...


18 posted on 02/17/2014 11:50:58 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Ouderkirk

You do that the “gateway drug” stuff is bullsh*t, right?


19 posted on 02/17/2014 11:54:28 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: gooblah

He’s a relative newcomer, to sobriety. Now that he’s “enlightened” he would shove his enlightenment down your throat.

I have 20 years clean and sober, and could care less what substances other people use in their own lives, so long as they don’t harm me. (They are pretty much going to do it anyway.)

I would advise anybody to be very careful with ANY AND ALL addictive, mind altering substances, lest they take control over your life without your approval.


20 posted on 02/17/2014 11:59:47 AM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: Chuckster

Being as cynical as I am against the Washington parasite class, I can only assume that he is being funded by the cartels that want to keep their profits sky high.


21 posted on 02/17/2014 12:06:18 PM PST by Stand W ( You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!)
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To: gooblah

I may not have liked the Kennedy’s for their politics or their alley-cat morals, but Patrick Kennedy was a true punk. He was a disgrace as a congressman.


22 posted on 02/17/2014 12:09:28 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Ouderkirk

Yeah, I have heard that too. Don’t agree, I know too many pot smokers who don’t, and too many cigarette smokers who do, use harder drugs to buy it; but a lot of people say that.


23 posted on 02/17/2014 12:15:06 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: gooblah

What will he call his campaign Pill Poppers Against Pot Heads?


24 posted on 02/17/2014 12:23:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
And Patrick Kennedy is a great poster child for the proposition that prolonged marijuana use causes IQ loss and psychosis later in life.


25 posted on 02/17/2014 12:29:43 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: JoeFromSidney
If we have to have laws, let's make it a crime to drive under the influence of pot, cocaine, etc.

It already is and has been for decades. It is illegal to drive impaired and that includes Rx drugs, OTC drugs and even sleep deprivation.

26 posted on 02/17/2014 12:30:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: F15Eagle

And Choomie boy is a poster child for this sort of colossal stupidity.

His brain is as dull as any stoner, despite protests to the contrary.


27 posted on 02/17/2014 12:54:24 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Orangedog

gateway is not bullshit....who starts using heroin a graduates to marijuana ?


28 posted on 02/17/2014 12:59:44 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: AppyPappy

It’s the “free market” part he’s really against.


29 posted on 02/17/2014 1:00:18 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Just shows how idiotic our nation has become by voting for him in the first place.


30 posted on 02/17/2014 1:01:49 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

lol


31 posted on 02/17/2014 1:02:25 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: gooblah

Good for him. He knows what he’s talking about.


32 posted on 02/17/2014 1:15:20 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Orangedog

No, it’s not and with 27 years of nursing under my belt including psych nursing and icu,I’ll blame the next stoned out, OD’ed kid for whom we have to turn the ventilator off... on people like you!


33 posted on 02/17/2014 1:40:42 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: gooblah

OUTSTANDING!!!!!


34 posted on 02/17/2014 2:11:11 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: JoeFromSidney

all good laws address a moral underpinning

rape, murder, stealing, theft, assault

all are morals

Not just dope and drinking

people need to be consistent on their objections to moral laws


35 posted on 02/17/2014 2:12:45 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Ouderkirk
gateway is not bullshit....who starts using heroin a graduates to marijuana ?

I'd be willing to bet that they were milk drinkers. Those junkies probably ate tomatoes, too. Gateway drugs, all of them!

Correlation does not equal causation.

36 posted on 02/17/2014 2:35:38 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: mdmathis6
...,I’ll blame the next stoned out, OD’ed kid for whom we have to turn the ventilator off... on people like you!

Wow...that will sure teach us.

37 posted on 02/17/2014 2:37:49 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

The issue of recreational use of marijuana vs gateway to harder drugs is beyond dispute. There is a direct link to the use of marijuana and the transition to harder drugs.

I will stipulate that not everyone who uses marijuana recreationaly instantly graduates to heroin.

But the idea that marijuana is harmless is also nonsense. It has more carcinogens than tobacco, and is much more cognitively debilitating than alcohol consumption.

In the case of tobacco one does not drag a cigarette/pipe/cigar the way one tokes a joint or inhales bong hits. These are much more deep penetration of the lungs and are held until most of the smoke has dissipated/absorbed. This may be related to the relative price differential and will concede this point. But with marijuana “the stronger the better” , and the fact nobody’s selling Panama Red “Lights” with lowered tar and THC speaks volumes.

In the case of alcohol, one may be hung over for a day from a good buzz, but the effects of marijuana last much longer and impairs the cognitive function for up to a week for a single use (a good buzz) and much longer for regular users.

There is a causation effect to marijuana and harder drugs since the purveyor of one, is also highly likely a purveyor of other illicit substances.

Nothing good comes from legalizing recreational marijuana, anymore than would come from legalization of recreational Quaaludes, LSD, heroin, etc.

Legalization is a bad idea no matter how you try to paint it.


38 posted on 02/17/2014 3:46:48 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Ouderkirk
The issue of recreational use of marijuana vs gateway to harder drugs is beyond dispute.

I dispute it. Therefore it is no longer beyond dispute.

But with marijuana “the stronger the better” , and the fact nobody’s selling Panama Red “Lights” with lowered tar and THC speaks volumes.

When something becomes illegal, strength and density are selling points for obvious logistical reasons. Heavily armed domestic military forces doing thousands of raids a day isn't the kind of business environment that lends itself to a lot of R&D and product development.

There is a causation effect to marijuana and harder drugs since the purveyor of one, is also highly likely a purveyor of other illicit substances.

You're working against your point here. Make pot as legal as alcohol and you have people buying it at the 7-11, not from the dealer looking to expand his market by trying to make sales of harder drugs.

Nothing good comes from legalizing recreational marijuana, anymore than would come from legalization of recreational Quaaludes, LSD, heroin, etc.

What the hell...I might as well go ahead and turn this up to 11. Aside from the misguided desire to meddle in the lives of others, there is more harm that comes from keeping those things illegal. I have no intention of ever trying meth but I want to see Walmart and Target competing to deliver the highest quality meth for the lowest cost. Before you pop a gasket on how horrible that would be, consider how many people were killed in the largest city near you last year for control of the vodka trade? Probably less than one person dead in that power struggle. But control of meth, pot and heroin, likely more than one. A lot more than one.

39 posted on 02/17/2014 4:28:20 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
I dispute it. Therefore it is no longer beyond dispute.

That you dispute something does not change the empirical evidence, you are speaking from OPINION.

Obviously your opinion has more validity than research by Psychiatrists, and MD's.

Not.

40 posted on 02/17/2014 5:50:50 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Ouderkirk
That you dispute something does not change the empirical evidence, you are speaking from OPINION.

You made a gratuitous assertion. The rules of logic dictate that any gratuitous assertion can be equally gratuitously denied.

Obviously your opinion has more validity than research by Psychiatrists

More than psychiatrists? You're setting the bar kind of low by trotting out a profession where vital information in making a diagnosis involves deep study of how the patient learned to poop what they can subconsciously compare to a penis. But I would really like to know what respected phrenologists have to saw on the whole "gateway drug" matter.

41 posted on 02/17/2014 6:07:33 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: gooblah

Wow ... Patches ... if it is heartfelt, then it is something to consider


42 posted on 02/17/2014 7:43:04 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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