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Justice and race: Congressman talks about verdict in Florida case during Paterson service
northjersey.com ^ | February 17, 2014 | LINDA MOSS

Posted on 02/17/2014 3:36:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

A day after a Florida jury deadlocked on a murder charge in the so-called "loud music" trial, the highest-ranking African-American member of Congress said the case is more proof that race does matter in America — and in its courtrooms.

Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the House's assistant Democratic leader, made the remarks Sunday after serving as a guest speaker, celebrating Black History Month, at St. Luke Baptist Church in Paterson, the city where he spent his summers working as a teenager and later got married. Sunday would have been the 19th birthday of Jordan Davis, who was killed in November 2012 when a man complaining about loud music fired 10 shots into the SUV where Davis and three other black teenagers were sitting. Michael Dunn, who claimed self-defense, was convicted Saturday night of attempting to murder Davis' three companions. But the jury deadlocked on the murder charge against Dunn, a white, 47-year-old Florida resident. ...

"I'm very, very disappointed about it. … I think it's time for us to stop ignoring the fact that race is a very, very important element in our justice system," Clyburn said.

In particular, Clyburn said that the prosecution erred when it failed to introduce into evidence racist letters that Dunn has written in jail, in several instances using the word "thugs" to refer to black men. ....

" St. Luke's pastor, the Rev. Kenneth Clayton, talked in his sermon about the Dunn verdict.

"For the jury to convict him on the lesser charges and not convict him of murder — when clearly someone was killed — is a travesty of major proportion.... We live in this violent little society where dark skin means we're open prey to any man.... It's still OK to kill black people in some parts of America...."

(Excerpt) Read more at northjersey.com ...


TOPICS: US: Florida; US: New Jersey; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: democrats; jamesclyburn; michaeldunn

1 posted on 02/17/2014 3:36:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
that racially charged trial, reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case

There is very little in common with the Zimmerman case.

2 posted on 02/17/2014 3:44:13 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“it’s still OK to kill black people in some parts of America”

Many black people in places like Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Newark, Baltimore and others, apparently feel the same way. What do you propose to do about THAT? /sarcasm


3 posted on 02/17/2014 3:45:42 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So now “thugs” is a racist word?


4 posted on 02/17/2014 3:46:14 PM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Clyburn is the personification of a troglodyte.
He is the most racially directed idiot, on the taxpayer Dole In the U.S.A.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 3:46:51 PM PST by chatham
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Not only must we be angry about white people killing us, but when we kill us.

Say it louder - I don't think people can hear you.

Why is it more of a crime when a white guy kills you than when a black guy kills you?

6 posted on 02/17/2014 3:47:46 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Once again, Angela Corey overcharged. She would have gotten a conviction on second degree murder, because that’s what it was.


7 posted on 02/17/2014 3:48:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Let’s place bets on what he says. 897890789058905890545490 dollars on the table says he goes on and on about how terrifying it is to be black in America and how the Davis case and the Martin case both prove beyond any doubt that blacks are under systematic attach and ethnic cleansing by white, bible believing fascists. Now I don’t have to worry about retirement plans anymore.


8 posted on 02/17/2014 3:49:23 PM PST by freedom462
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think it has a heck of a lot to do with Zimmerman. Angela Corey is — what? DA? Definitely involved in this. Parents of the young man urged the prosecutors NOT to make it a trial about racism, as they did not think it was. Parents are Christians, are content with the verdict, do think that justice has been done, and are content to let it go. They do NOT want another trial. Where Angela Corey is near, there is big stink.


9 posted on 02/17/2014 3:50:09 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Unless the defense can show convincing evidence backing up the shooter's claim of having seen a gun it's tough to see this as anything less than “Murder 1”.
10 posted on 02/17/2014 3:50:37 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The jury was unable to reach a decision on the first-degree murder charge, but convicted Dunn, 47, of three counts of attempted murder and shooting into the teen's vehicle. He faces a potential 105 years in prison and will receive at least 60 years under the state's mandatory minimum sentencing laws.

I wish that these "hair trigger" leftists would actually and rationally take a look at the facts and circumstances of the case before they mindlessly jump in with their preconceived notions of justice!

All the leftists accomplish is to fan the fires of raw racial hatred. There are too many low information decision makers out there!

11 posted on 02/17/2014 3:53:11 PM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Gay State Conservative

To be sure, I think Murder 1 has to show that it was premeditated, doesn’t it? Murder 1 charges here would not be easy to prove unless there was proof that Dunn intended to commit murder before the argument over the music started.


12 posted on 02/17/2014 3:58:18 PM PST by freedom462
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To: Temujinshordes

I would never use “thugs” to refer to a black male- “zombie” works great, and is completely bi-racial.....


13 posted on 02/17/2014 3:58:50 PM PST by matthew fuller
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is so much crap. Corey obviously overcharged with murder I when it was either murder II or manslaughter. When the system works and gives a just result with the perp going away for most of the rest of his life, these vile hustlers are so blinded by their evil racism that they can’t accept a result that mostly favors them.


14 posted on 02/17/2014 3:59:00 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: freedom462
To be sure, I think Murder 1 has to show that it was premeditated, doesn’t it?

Although I'm not a lawyer what you say rings familiar.But one can "premeditate" in a second or two.My understanding is that the evidence strongly suggests that the shooter "meditated" for a minute or more.

15 posted on 02/17/2014 4:07:04 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: Gay State Conservative

it is possible but the difficulty is in proving that the killer in question was mentally planning out the murder for that period of time. On this website http://www.crimelibrary.com you can go through the links on the left side and see the different categories to get an idea of the kind of cases that can be tried as 1st degree murder and which do warrant a death penalty.


16 posted on 02/17/2014 4:11:05 PM PST by freedom462
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Once again, Angela Corey overcharged. She would have gotten a conviction on second degree murder, because that’s what it was.”

Exactly. She’s incompetent.


17 posted on 02/17/2014 4:12:15 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

She should be on Obama’s staff.

On the other hand Blacks who say the feel threatened from 20 feet away are allowed to kill unarmed white boys.
Scott was acquitted by a white jury.
No national TV or News coverage, nor local in my area which is only 200 miles east of the killing.

Maybe The Clymer did not hear about the shooting killing of an unarmed white 16 year by a Black man from 20 feet. If he did, I know he would change his bias./S

http://rochester.twcnews.com/content/news/490755/awaiting-verdict-in-roderick-scott-trial—911-call-released/


18 posted on 02/17/2014 4:20:44 PM PST by BilLies (330,000 WHITE Union military went to their deaths to free the slaves .... REALLY???!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t care what any of them say since a majority of blacks supported Simpson getting off for murder, and not one black leader spoke against it. Two can play the jury nullification game, giving that that’s what happened, which I don’t in this case.


19 posted on 02/17/2014 4:40:38 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: chatham
Clyburn...is the most racially directed idiot

fat old ass-sittin' poison black grifter

20 posted on 02/17/2014 4:47:12 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Tailgunner Joe
in several instances using the word "thugs" to refer to black men. ....

And?

Many of them are.

21 posted on 02/17/2014 4:53:00 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Clyburn is an old racist who cashed in big time.


22 posted on 02/17/2014 5:38:25 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Fightin Whitey

Wonderful Response !!


23 posted on 02/20/2014 6:09:41 AM PST by chatham
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