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Lawmaker: Stop putting kids in 'scream rooms'
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Posted on 02/17/2014 4:47:27 PM PST by Sub-Driver

February 17, 2014, 01:55 pm Lawmaker: Stop putting kids in 'scream rooms'

By Kristina Wong

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) is calling for an end to the use of “scream rooms” to discipline children in U.S. schools.

The Connecticut senator has proposed legislation that would end the practice of physically restraining students or secluding them in padded rooms, after learning that there were more than 30,000 such instances every year in schools across the state.

“That way to deal with behavior just does not work. Actually kids don’t respond to that,” Murphy said in an interview with local news station WTIC.

“There are just better ways to deal with behavioral issues than just locking kids up in padded rooms,” he said.

The rooms are as small as 4’x4’ or 6’x6’, he said.

Murphy said an overuse of restraint or seclusion could lead to mental and physical injury to children as well as to other children witnessing the practice.

Although some children are violent and could be threat to others, many of the children suffer from other conditions that would be best address via mental health programs, school counselors, and psychologists, Murphy said.

Forty percent of the kids that have been restrained or secluded in Connecticut have autism, and a disproportionate number of them have been Latino and black, he added.

“There’s very limited instances in which you have to restrain a kid, but there is absolutely no instance in which you have to lock a kid up in a room by himself,” Murphy said.

Earlier this month, a Senate Education Committee report called the rooms potentially unsafe and abusive.

A 2012 ABC News investigation found that “thousands of autistic and disabled schoolchildren had been injured and dozens died after being restrained by poorly trained teachers and school aides.”

In some cases, children were handcuffed, electrically shocked, or locked in padded rooms for hours. A 14-year-old Georgia boy who committed suicide after being repeatedly left alone for hours in a room comparable to a prison cell, ABC News reported.

According to ABC, some teacher and school advocacy groups oppose legislation to regulate the use of restraint, saying it limits their ability to subdue a child who may harm others.

“This deserves not only attention from the state legislature, but this is an issue all across the country, and it deserves attention from Congress as well,” Murphy said.


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Arrest the parents........put them in the scream rooms...
1 posted on 02/17/2014 4:47:27 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

what is a scream room? I have never heard of it


2 posted on 02/17/2014 4:50:09 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Me neither. Our backwards circle still spanks.


3 posted on 02/17/2014 4:52:09 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: GeronL

Give him a roomful of kindergarten agec kids for a day. Bet you he changes his mind within the first hour...:)


4 posted on 02/17/2014 4:53:16 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Sub-Driver

The government has no business in education.

But parents have abdicated that responsibility.

When the meet God and He asks them what they did with the children he gave them, there just won’t be any big groups of government officials standing next to them giving them cover, as much as the parents in this country think (feel) that the government is God.

Any entity that thinks it’s a good idea to teach pre pubescent kids about sex, much less, perverted sex, is not to be trusted with any bit of their care nor education.

Anyone put in seclusion for any length of time, I don’t care how old they are, will not come out of it intact.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 4:54:01 PM PST by stanne
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To: jsanders2001

You’re one of those people who love to hate kids, forgetting that this country is grooming them to take care of you (or not) in your old age, aren’t you?


6 posted on 02/17/2014 4:56:25 PM PST by stanne
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To: Sub-Driver

My mom used to work in a ‘blow-off room’ in an elementary school, where the kids who just could not handle school were sent when they were disruptive. She was a Teachers’ Aide to the school psychologist. This was during busing in Los Angeles, and most of the kids were black who ended up there - for very good reasons. She didn’t last long.


7 posted on 02/17/2014 4:58:36 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Sub-Driver

“In some cases, children were handcuffed, electrically shocked, or locked in padded rooms for hours.”

They can handcuff and shock them, but not expel them? wth?

Get rid of the troublemakers and mentally ill. They’re denying other kids their education.


8 posted on 02/17/2014 5:00:56 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: stanne
The government has no business in education.

Actually the states have the right to control education, according to our constitution. The federal government took that right from he states. Nowhere in our constitution does it say the federal government should control constitution.

9 posted on 02/17/2014 5:02:04 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Sub-Driver

I’ve taught for 9 years. My mother-in-law taught for 30. Neither of us has heard of a “scream room.”


10 posted on 02/17/2014 5:02:51 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: stanne

So, just to be clear, are you saying that parents who send their children to public school (anywhere) are facing eternal damnation for that choice?


11 posted on 02/17/2014 5:03:58 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Arrest the parents........put them in the scream rooms...

That is correct. Both the kids and their parents will respond to having a little corporate punishment.

12 posted on 02/17/2014 5:04:53 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Sub-Driver

Killing them in the womb is okay though.


13 posted on 02/17/2014 5:05:33 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL

bring back the ruler you get disciplined with the board of education


14 posted on 02/17/2014 5:05:49 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Owl558

“Get rid of the troublemakers and mentally ill. They’re denying other kids their education.”

I have asked my principal whether or not parents of children who actually were there to learn would have legal standing to sue a school or school district over that fact that their child’s education was being hindered on a daily basis because of the time that us teachers have to spend on discipline. She didn’t have an answer for me.


15 posted on 02/17/2014 5:06:37 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Was there a movie about this.Cookoos Nest???
Maloy is nurse rachet


16 posted on 02/17/2014 5:07:15 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: gop4lyf

Welcome to the liberal North east


17 posted on 02/17/2014 5:08:28 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Sub-Driver

18 posted on 02/17/2014 5:09:07 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Owl558
They’re denying other kids their education.

They PTB know this and that is exactly their intention. The last thing the denizens of Mordor on the Potomac want is educated voters.

19 posted on 02/17/2014 5:10:08 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: workerbee

I’m saying that parents have primary responsibility for the education of their children.

If a public school works for the education of their children why would that be a problem? Any more than homeschooling a child and not providing proper formation for him in the process.


20 posted on 02/17/2014 5:10:57 PM PST by stanne
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To: ladyjane

what does the constitution say about the States educating children?


21 posted on 02/17/2014 5:11:46 PM PST by stanne
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To: Sub-Driver

Maybe he’s thinking same treatment for selected voters who attend “town hall” discussions in his district....


22 posted on 02/17/2014 5:12:15 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Sub-Driver

“There are just better ways to deal with behavioral issues than just locking kids up in padded rooms,” he said.

He’s right. It’s called corporal punishment.


23 posted on 02/17/2014 5:13:48 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: stanne

> You’re one of those people who love to hate kids, forgetting that this country is grooming them to take care of you (or not) in your old age, aren’t you?

Bwaha. They’ll be driving the soylent green scoopers...lol
Especially when its the easy to steal an election though I’m leaning more to electronic manipulation of the votes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0uedSCARlc


24 posted on 02/17/2014 5:15:08 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Sub-Driver

Arrest the lawmakers and put them in scream rooms.


25 posted on 02/17/2014 5:15:08 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Anything regarding this administration ..... remember I told you so first!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Apple iScream fiends PING...


26 posted on 02/17/2014 5:16:24 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: jsanders2001

Yeah. I’m thinking sticking with Judeochristian thinking will be a safer avenue.

Oy


27 posted on 02/17/2014 5:16:43 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Hmm. #5 and #20 don’t really mesh for me, but I’ll just say that I’m glad you aren’t assuming 95% of FReeper parents will go to hell.


28 posted on 02/17/2014 5:18:46 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Sub-Driver

watch this video and then tell me how a young black kid is supposed to learn how to act in a civilized society when the adults in their life act like this.

You only have to watch a minute or so to get the full flavor.

*WARNING* (graphic language from the start.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw50ZdLo8Ko


29 posted on 02/17/2014 5:21:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: stanne

Actually I don’t think the constitution says anything about the states’ role in educating children. I believe all rights not given to the federal government reside with the states. This is from memory from a civics course. I’d like to hear from freepers who are well informed on this subject.

LOL autocorrect keeps changing freepers to freezers


30 posted on 02/17/2014 5:21:55 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Sub-Driver

corporal punishment it is, then. bring the ‘board of education’ back. they will definitely understand why they are getting paddled and respond.


31 posted on 02/17/2014 5:22:13 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ladyjane

Education was always supposed to be in the control of the parents. The State has no “Right” to impose control/limits/curricula over parents. (it is a Natural Right and a Natural Duty to educate your own children, guaranteed by the Constitution.)

All education should be a “local” thing if the government has any business whatsoever, in it....which they really don’t unless extreme abuse/contrary to Natural Laws and God’s Laws (Constitution).

The State used to have NO power over any kids and education. They suggested but could not “force” kids even to attend school. That is a modern “thing”.

This Prussian system of today is unconstitutional and is about programming. True education flew out the door when the Progressives got their embedded Wundtian psychology and total Germanization of curricula and system, complete with destruction of the Classical Education (hey, ho, Western Civ has got to go). Classical Education created the USA and the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment and was the mainstay up until John Dewey in 1930.

The schools have successfully destroyed Virtue (fortitude/temperance/Wisdom/Excellence)-—flipped good and evil in our children and destroyed Reason and Critical Thinking with brainwashing and lies, and misinformation.


32 posted on 02/17/2014 5:23:22 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: workerbee

Why would I assume that?

First place, God judges, not I. I just like to point out once in a while as people did when I was growing up, we’re going to have to have a chat with God one day.

It’s not directed at freepers, who are not, in general, apprehensive about considering judgement.

I’m talking about parents who drop their kids off anywhere, assuming, for the sake of convenience that the kids will be fine, including letting them watch the images and ideas portrayed on TV.


33 posted on 02/17/2014 5:23:24 PM PST by stanne
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To: ladyjane

You must have the ‘Climate Change;Polar Vortex’ edition of the autocorrect.

I would also like to be well versed on what the govt’s role in education properly is.


34 posted on 02/17/2014 5:25:08 PM PST by stanne
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To: savagesusie

Very interesting.

We were talking about it the other day. I stated that the Dominicans taught us how to think.

We have a good school here, and it’s amazing to see well educated teachers fall into the illogical nature of contemporary thought. All younger. The older teachers are not necessarily better, just taught to think.

Thinking is most discouraged in most venues for young people


35 posted on 02/17/2014 5:29:16 PM PST by stanne
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To: Sub-Driver

I need one every time I see Obama on TV.


36 posted on 02/17/2014 5:32:05 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: GeronL
I'd had never heard of it either, but apparently we have some in Tennessee.

USA Today: 'Seclusion rooms' for autistic students raise questions

37 posted on 02/17/2014 5:41:15 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: savagesusie
Education was always supposed to be in the control of the parents. The State has no “Right” to impose control/limits/curricula over parents.

Actually, IIRC education is not mentioned in the Constitution. Thus the right of the state is reserved. At least I think that is what the states agreed to when they formed our union.

It would be helpful for some Constitutional scholar here on FR to tell us about this issue.

38 posted on 02/17/2014 5:42:45 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: t1b8zs

No thanks. I’m a life long Texan, and I plan to remain that way.


39 posted on 02/17/2014 5:51:48 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Scream rooms sound barbaric. CT is a confused state: on one hand they grab guns and on the other they put their kids in “scream rooms.”


40 posted on 02/17/2014 5:52:24 PM PST by madison10
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To: Sub-Driver

They used to put these children in special schools instead of integrating them.


41 posted on 02/17/2014 6:23:04 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: jsanders2001

I know what you mean :)


42 posted on 02/17/2014 6:58:50 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Kid is throwing desks, attacking other children, spitting, biting, punching everybody. Kid goes into padded room. Yells, hollars, swears, kicks the walls. Kid starts crying, begging to be forgiven. Teacher talks to kid, when kid is settled down, and teacher feels he is OK, he comes back into classroom. Imagine a 250-300 lb grade schooler acting out this way. Happens every day in our public schools.


43 posted on 02/17/2014 7:06:26 PM PST by Eska
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To: stanne

Classical Education consisted of teaching the Socratic Method and Euclidian Geometry and Aristotelian Logic and Rhetoric (how to transmit ideas to others) plus memorizing at the appropriate age when memorizing was easy. Memorization is an exercise of the brain and necessary discipline needed for building on Knowledge.

Without the above, people are like the 3rd world cultures where they believe everything the State tells them. They can’t analyze anything to discern the Truth.

They are brainwashed and easily manipulated by emotions—like our schools now do, since they don’t teach anything classical (Reason) anymore.


44 posted on 02/17/2014 7:07:20 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ladyjane

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[

That phrase “to the people” is where children belong—which includes the education of their own offspring. The Natural Law (embedded into our Constitution) states that the Duty of raising children belongs to the parents ONLY....never the State.


45 posted on 02/17/2014 7:13:17 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Sub-Driver

Guess someone put Chris Murphy Jr. into a padded room when they really meant to put Chris Murphy Sr. into that room.


46 posted on 02/17/2014 7:23:32 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: savagesusie

Socratic method. Kids who can do that are lonely creatures with nothing but boredom and disappointment at college.

Ted Cruz probably feels that in congress.


47 posted on 02/17/2014 7:25:51 PM PST by stanne
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To: gop4lyf

Neither of us has heard of a “scream room.”

That’s because you were hard of hearing from all the screaming.


48 posted on 02/17/2014 8:04:18 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Sub-Driver

We have to get away from education being a right, its not. Some kids are not able to go to school and be productive learners.


49 posted on 02/17/2014 8:04:25 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Sub-Driver

My wife, subbed at a “special class”, which had a scream room. 6 students(?). There were two male “assistants”. These kids were violent, and had no control over themselves. they would attack teachers, throw things, and scream obsentities. What would you do if a 8 - 9 year old came after you violently and screaming. It gets the other nut cases going. The “Assisatants” would place them in the “cage” where they would bang their heads on the wall.

What to do? Strip them naked and drop them off in the Congo?


50 posted on 02/17/2014 8:13:40 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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