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Democrats in Denial Over Obamacare
National Journal ^ | 2/18/14 | Josh Kraushaar

Posted on 02/18/2014 2:21:40 AM PST by Libloather

For nearly three years, the Democratic approach to the political unpopularity of President Obama's health care law was denial. Deny it played a significant role in the party's historic midterm losses in 2010. Insist, in the face of contradictory evidence, that as more voters experienced the benefits of the law, the more popular it would become. Deny it would be a major issue at all in the 2014 midterms.

The latest version of the argument points to polling showing that voters don't want to repeal the law but prefer to see it fixed—perfectly in line with the newly adopted positions of vulnerable Democratic officeholders. In a memo leaked to the press, Democrats argue they can neutralize their health care vulnerabilities by promoting their desire to fix the law and blaming Republicans for intransigence in seeking a full repeal. But dig a bit deeper past the talking points, and it's unclear what they want to fix—beyond their broken poll numbers.

Indeed, in a sign that Democrats are stuck in neutral on their Obamacare messaging, the "news" from the memo is months old. The strategy devised by the sharpest party operatives has already been in effect in numerous ads across the country and was promoted by the party's top strategists two months ago. In those targeted races, public polling has shown Democratic standing worsening where the on-air Obamacare debate has already begun. (See: Landrieu, Mary; Hagan, Kay.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; denial; hoax; obamacare
Hoax deniers are everywhere.
1 posted on 02/18/2014 2:21:40 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

There’s around a hundred million Democrats, independents, and Republicans who lost their personal doctor, pay more than ever for healthcare, and can’t handle the deductible game. It’s a personal thing now...and folks don’t accept double-talking commercials or political ads to make up for internal frustrations. If you ask me....it’s a pretty tough loss for the Democrats in November, and they will focus the blame afterwards...strictly on the President and his staff.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 2:25:16 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Libloather

All politics are local, and there is nothing more local that a voter’s individual wallet, a voter’s individual loss of insurance/doctor, and a voter’s individual anger at a national disgrace like ObamaCare.

Barring monumental stupidity (reckless spending, amnesty for criminals in our country illegally, etc.) from John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, anger over ObamaCare will cost the Democrats far more than they imagine. In other words, this election is a tossup.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 2:40:38 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Libloather
don't want to see it repealed, want to see it fixed

And therein, the problem.
4 posted on 02/18/2014 2:44:23 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: All
Democrats may be in denial but, history will not be as blind to reality:
Obamacare is a blunder of Ceausescuian proportions.

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Some of the deluded Democrats are going to great lengths to hide their involvement with the O/Care debacle, thinking they will not have to face the music.....(the lovely sounds of a funeral dirge on election day).

Chances are, we can safely make the funeral arrangements for vote-crazed Sen. Mark Udall (Dem-Colo)

Facing a tough reelection this year, Udall was nailed on tape echoing the "keep your plan" Big Lie, b/c some 330,000 Coloradans received cancelation notices....cancellations sap-happy Udall promised they wouldn’t.

Udall’s crazed response was to lean on state insurance regulators to change their numbers by changing their vocabulary. He argued plans shouldn’t be counted as canceled if a person was eligible to buy a pricier ACA compliant plan.

The insurance regulator resisted Udall’s psychotic arguments.

Then things got interesting. CompleteColorado.com obtained and reported on internal state emails of insurance official, Jo Donlin, stating the deranged Udall wanted to “trash” the state’s numbers....

Fearing he'd lose his seat, vote-crazed Udall contacted her repeatedly, and when she refused to bend, she received a “very hostile” call from Udall’s chief of staff (maybe more like a "threat"?).

Udall’s obsessed interference prompted demands for more information and for an investigation into his twisted conduct.

Almost instantly, Colorado’s Department of Regulatory Affairs, which oversees the Division of Insurance, issued a statement claiming a "neutral and objective panel" investigated the matter and determined "Udall’s office did nothing improper and there was no intimidation."

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS Absolving deranged Senator Udall of culpability is the exact same MO used right before NJ Sen Torricelli was forced out of office.

5 posted on 02/18/2014 3:19:00 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather

Economy, health care among topics for Walz’ visit
http://mankatofreepress.com/local/x535472508/Economy-health-care-among-topics-for-Walz-visit

Congressman Tim Walz D-Mn “The more people find out what’s in there, the happier they are”


6 posted on 02/18/2014 3:28:19 AM PST by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: Libloather

110th Congress, Majority Democrats, passed the health care law that needs so many “fixes”, yet media never ask why it was so awful in the first place...


7 posted on 02/18/2014 3:32:46 AM PST by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: Libloather
The latest version of the argument points to polling showing that voters don't want to repeal the law but prefer to see it fixed—perfectly in line with the newly adopted positions of vulnerable Democratic officeholders. In a memo leaked to the press, Democrats argue they can neutralize their health care vulnerabilities by promoting their desire to fix the law and blaming Republicans for intransigence in seeking a full repeal. But dig a bit deeper past the talking points, and it's unclear what they want to fix—beyond their broken poll numbers.

Well, of course it's unclear: It can't be fixed.

First, a huge gov't bureaucracy has been added to the US health care system, part of it on a State level, part of it on the Federal level, and this says nothing about the compliance costs to insurers and health care providers. The result is increased costs to consumers and taxpayers.

Then, even if the system worked as advertised originally, "we" are insuring (subsidizing) larger numbers of previously uninsured people who as a group are high risk / unhealthy, and transferring the costs to healthy people. When this hits healthy people's wallets hard, especially in a time of declining real-world family incomes, it is not going to go over well with any but the most self-guilt ridden libs, or dedicated socialists.

Plus, you have decreases in the performance of the health care system itself, characteristic of just about any socialized health care system I know of: The more socialism, the poorer the care, OR the costs show up somewhere else. (There's a reason why almost everything in Germany or Norway, to take 2 examples I am fairly familiar with, is "crazy" expensive.)

The Dems' best bet would probably be to try to transfer the costs to future debt., but in the economy's current state, that would probably crash it hard, and then they'd be in even more trouble.

8 posted on 02/18/2014 3:42:08 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Libloather

We know that Democrats are going to run a campaign of “good intentions”, saying they’ll fix Obamacare. The Republicans need an effective response.

Every time a Democrat candidate for reelection insists the bill can be fixed the Republican should ask for a copy of the specific piece of legislation the Democrat has introduced or cosponsored to “fix” Obamacare. When there is no document, the response is - “people are suffering. We need action, not talk. Where is the action?”


9 posted on 02/18/2014 3:51:48 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: sickoflibs; GOPJ; TADSLOS; ken5050; justiceseeker93; Grampa Dave
BACKSTORY The botched October healthcare rollout was giving Democrats so much agita, they could hardly keep track of their vast offshore holdings. Millions could have been lost into the pockets of snarky investment counselors "aggregating the numbers," but Democrats were so besieged by falling poll numbers, they would never even know it.

So the White House graciously sent chief of staff Denis McDonough to hold an unpublicized meeting with Sen. Michael Bennet (DIM-Colo), chairman of the Senate Democrats’ campaign arm.

It was not pretty---Denis was met w/ Democrats' anger and anxiety that O/Care’s costly train wreck rollout could actually cost their party its majority at midterms.

Denis and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) Chair Bennet discussed what the White House could possibly do to help vulnerable Senate Democrats.

Talk revolved around Democrats developing a "stronger relationship" with the White House. But this cockamamie idea was quickly discarded. After all, Democrats reasoned, who would believe a ditzy story like that...other than the brain dead MSM.

Democrats whined that Obama was not sympathetic enough to their plight. After the Republican-led government shutdown, Dems had been super-confident they would retain the Senate, maybe even regain the House......but, alas, that optimism vanished as O/Care problems kept mounting and multiplying.

Speaker wannabe Nancy Pelosi disconsolately went back to sucking-up everything in sight.

COS Denis valiantly tried to calm ballistic Senators, saying off-the-record: “I know these guys are nervous as hell. I mean, all of their jobs are on the line, because Obamacare is the only thing making the biggest political waves. It’s a nightmare.”

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WHEW---DEMOCRATS COME UP WITH THE ONLY WORKABLE SOLUTION Obama recently announced the White House's 2014 Senate strategy: "Keep Obama away." The extensive midterm campaign strategy is built around one unavoidable fact: Hardly any candidates in the most competitive states want President Barack Obama anywhere near them on the campaign trail.

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Poster cackles---hums theme from "Jaws."

10 posted on 02/18/2014 3:54:55 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather

Bump


11 posted on 02/18/2014 3:55:53 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Libloather
The health, employment and freedom of 320+ million Americans is of no consequence to a few hundred rats, whose first and last purpose in life is to retain their offices.

Marx is beating Madison. What to do?

12 posted on 02/18/2014 3:59:36 AM PST by Jacquerie ( Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie
The health, employment, freedom, and diminished finances of 320+ million Americans is of no consequence to a few hundred self-serving elected 'rats, whose only purpose in life is to stay in office......in order to to increase their offshore holdings.

You nailed it but good.

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AS FREEPER GOPJ INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: Obamacare was designed to benefit Democrat pols; and hand-picked Democrat voting blocs---blocs that fulfill Obama's plans for a permanent Democratic majority):

<><> Blacks, browns, minorities, the melanin-underclass, benefit because of low, or no, income,

<><> Gays benefit for preexisting conditions, like HIV, and other STD's.

<><> State-dependent women benefit - Dems work hard to undermine marriage, thus qualifying a slew of state-dependent voting blocs.

<><> Union lefties were given exemptions.

Last but not least.... "Liberal Elites" get the best doctors - their offices cleared of us middle-class riff-raff. The Elites don't have to wait to see a doctor as Republican riff-raff are sent to the slaughterhouse.

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SUMMING UP: Dem liberal elites get the gold. Republicans, conservatives, patriots, tea partiers, job-holders, the middle class, small business owners, etc....all of us got the shaft.

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What's that? You say you don't vote Democrat?

Then, you get to pay for everything.

13 posted on 02/18/2014 4:51:11 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather

And just why SHOULDN’T they continue to deny?

It has worked up ‘till now, after all.

It’s not as if there were any OPPOSITION to what they do—just a couple of lickspittle RINOS “a-goin’ along to get along”.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 5:25:36 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: Flintlock

I fergot to mention—HE’S BLACK. End of story.


15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:27:17 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

While they’re at it, I want them to fix my perpetual motion machine... it keeps stopping.


16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Libloather

Their denials will become more brutal as time goes on. It’s the inevitable path for tyrants.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:55 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Soul of the South
The Republicans need an effective response.

Republicans have had free market based proposals regarding health care ever since Hillarycare burst on the scene. They were entirely shut out of the health care reform process because Rats had enough votes to cram what they wanted through without GOP help.

It would be very helpful to the 2014 election if Republicans developed three or four points (free market based) on how to improve health insurance and delivery and pound those points home in a nationally unified way. If they don't pound the points day in and day out, the DBM won't allow their message to get through.

18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:30:33 AM PST by randita
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To: Liz; Marcella; jimbo123; patriot08; Candor7; socialismisinsidious; GailA; LucyT; ...
Yes, I heard of the Udall story a couple of months ago.

Aside from the 'Rat candidates' strategy of claiming that Obamacare just needs a little fixing as opposed to "evil" Republicans' calls for repeal, they will also make the bogus charge that Republicans have offered no alternatives to Obamacare. They'll also say that we can't go back to "the bad old days" of "the health care crisis."

Although 'rat candidates may be losing on the issues, Republican campaigns can't take winning for granted. The article points out the 'rats superior "Get Out the Vote" efforts, which oftentimes translates into stealing elections via cheating and fraud. It's probably too much to expect, but GOP campaigns have to be prepared to push back against against the 'Rats' election lawlessness in order to win close races.

19 posted on 02/18/2014 9:11:19 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; All

Thanks for the ping/post. Another big picture, specific incidents, totalitarian tactics, LOL posts better than the narrow focused article. BUMP for every poster.


20 posted on 02/18/2014 9:53:52 AM PST by PGalt
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To: justiceseeker93

<>Republican campaigns can’t take winning for granted.<>

Agree, although that is what they are doing. “Not Rat” is an insufficient reason to vote pubbie. The GOP likes Obamacare more than the rats, for it is a perpetual weapon, a club the rats gave to them for nothing in return.

Meanwhile, our nation suffers, when the GOP could have cut off funding.


21 posted on 02/18/2014 12:10:53 PM PST by Jacquerie ( Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie; jimbo123; Impy; InterceptPoint; Sean Hannity; firebrand; juliej; massgopguy; GOPJ; ...
“Not Rat” is an insufficient reason to vote pubbie.

Maybe, but maybe not. Depends upon what the voter's priorities are and who the specific Republican candidate is.

If, for example, there is an incumbent 'Rat in the particular race and you are teed off about Obamacare and other 'Rat policies which you have reason to think will wreck you future, your children's future, and the country as we know it, your only practical alternative is to vote Republican, even if you have some problems with the GOP candidate.

At this point in time, voting third party or not voting at all in a general election will only help the 'Rat, because the opposition vote will be split. Supposedly about three million Republicans didn't vote in the past presidential election. A Romney administration wouldn't necessarily have been good, but you can be assured that many of the ugly things we're seeing now would have been prevented.

That doesn't mean that ineffective RINO incumbents shouldn't be defeated in primaries, and that's a timely message with the primary season fast approaching.

22 posted on 02/18/2014 12:59:58 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

“Not Rat” IS sufficient reason to vote Pubbie, so long as it’s not a straw man — the Demagogic Party has been caught recruiting and financing campaigns by political newcomers who run under the Republican label. Straw candidates should not survive the primary campaign, in the figurative sense of course, and once they’ve been exposed as frauds, should be prosecuted on civil as well as criminal charges as a lesson to anyone tempted to try this crap in the future. Ultimately, if our support of Voter ID and other clean election measures proves insufficient, it means we will have to fight for our lives against the Party of the Single Party State. Anyone who gives them a pass, pretending that it’s all about how there is a “uniparty” is just a CINO, LINO, FINO, and TPINO.


23 posted on 02/18/2014 7:47:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: justiceseeker93

Udall is very vulnerable but doesn’t face any world-beater opponent. Ken Buck, who blew it in 2010, is the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.


24 posted on 02/18/2014 9:24:39 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
...the Demagogic Party has been caught recruiting and financing campaigns by political newcomers who run under the Republican label.

Or under a third party label, as exemplified by the "Libertarian" who played spoiler in last November's Virginia gubernatorial election!!

25 posted on 02/18/2014 9:27:40 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: randita

“It would be very helpful to the 2014 election if Republicans developed three or four points (free market based) on how to improve health insurance and delivery and pound those points home in a nationally unified way. If they don’t pound the points day in and day out, the DBM won’t allow their message to get through.”

I suggest the Republicans need an updated “Contract for America” to run on. Have 8 to 10 very specific things they would promise to pass if elected. Give the American people something to vote “for” instead of just asking the American people to vote “against”.

On healthcare - Replace Obamacare with a true market based system with a government safety net for the poorest.

On trade - Withdraw from the trade agreements that have destroyed American manufacturing and the middle class. Raise tariffs and encourage investment in US manufacturing by eliminating taxes on profits realized by manufacturing in the US.

On education - Return education to the local level. End federal subsidies of the education industry, forcing it to become more efficient and responsive to market forces.

On race relations - Voice a commitment to “equality of opportunity” not government mandate special privileges.

On immigration - Enforce existing laws. Require illegals to register and get at the back of the line. Make all immigrants ineligible for government funded social services.

On defense - Return to the founding principles. Stay out of foreign “adventures”. Bring the troops home and maintain a strong defense of the homeland. Harden the grid and other infrastructure against EMP. Build an effective missile defense system. Respond in kind to cyberwarfare attacks.

On campaign finance - Reaffirm a commitment to freedom of speech. Allow unlimited campaign contributions by individuals or domestic entities (no foreign contributions allowed) but require immediate and full disclosure on a public website at the time the contribution is made whether the contribution is $1.00 or millions of dollars.

On government - Reaffirm the principle of limited government. Voice a commitment to eliminating bloat in the federal bureaucracy as well as abuses against citizens by agencies (EPA, NSA, IRS, FBI). Commit to eliminating politics from these agencies and restoring a professional federal workforce committed to serving citizens, not political agendas. Eliminate duplicate and obsolete programs and agencies. Identify examples of significant waste and pledge to eliminate them (i.e. subsidies to Solyndra, foreign aid, grants to study aborigines, construction of useless buildings and bridges).

On jobs — Convert Americorps from a politicized make work program to a real work program for the poor similar to the CCC. Put the unemployed to work building roads, buildings, parks, etc.

Propose specific Constitutional Amendments to restrict federal judges from willy nilly rewriting the Constitution, tighten the definition of the equal protection and commerce clauses, and protect property.

Promote real financial and budgetary reform. Take control of the Federal Reserve from Wall Street. Return control of the currency to Congress and reestablish a sound currency backed by gold and other precious metals. Eliminate the principle of “too big to fail”. Establish a very specific plan and timetable to eliminate deficit spending and pay down the national debt.

On energy - reign in the EPA allowing more domestic petroleum production and the construction of refineries. Loosen the restrictions on use of coal.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 12:49:15 PM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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