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Police: Arizona Walmart shooting was self-defense
Yahoo News ^ | February 17, 2014 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/18/2014 4:43:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Edited on 02/18/2014 5:44:49 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

A man who shot and killed another man inside a suburban Phoenix Walmart opened fire in self-defense, Chandler police said Monday.

According to Chandler police, Kyle Wayne Quadlin, 25, shot Kriston Charles Belinte Chee, 36, following a fight at a service counter Sunday afternoon.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
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The Chandler police are kidding, right!!!
1 posted on 02/18/2014 4:43:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
No. I don't think they are kidding. In Arizona, you are not required to take an a$$ whooping. You can defend yourself. Well, except on the reservations and in schools and government buildings and some bars and a few other places.
2 posted on 02/18/2014 4:53:48 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Uncle Chip

I checked the demographics last night on Wikipedia for Chandler when I saw this story on Drudge and was surprised to learn it wasn’t in an “urban” setting.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 5:02:17 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Uncle Chip

Good thing neither individual was black.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 5:06:25 AM PST by SPOTTEDOWL (Are frontal lobotomies prerequisite for being classified as a liberal?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Good thing neither individual was black.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 5:06:28 AM PST by SPOTTEDOWL (Are frontal lobotomies prerequisite for being classified as a liberal?)
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To: Uncle Chip
Authorities said Quadlin remained at the store for a little while following the shooting and then fled.

Stupid.

6 posted on 02/18/2014 5:06:29 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Tupelo

I still haven’t seen a statement of who STARTED the fight.

If the shooter started the fight, then ‘feared for his life’ because he bit off more than he could chew, that is NOT self-defense.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 5:08:33 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Uncle Chip

As usual we aren’t getting the entire story.
Question is did the police get the whole story,
did they get an accurate story.

Apparently there was video. The fact that they
did not arrest but instead submitted to the DA
would indicate that there was a disparity of some
kind in force....probably size. Wonder if there
was an employee or two who witnessed the event
and heard any threats etc. that may have talked
to the investigators.

Be interesting to see how the DA views this.
Of course it’s not Pinal county where it’s legal
to shoot an unarmed man in the back while he has
his hands in the air and you are one of a dozen or
so armed people.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:12:30 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: MortMan
Are you sure that's the law in AZ?

/johnny

9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:12:53 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grobdriver

That seems a strange construction, wouldn’t it be that having remained in the story he then “left”; fleeing implies, you know, flight, as in swift, sudden, etc.

I can only wonder why someone didn’t break up this fight before it got to this point.


10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:20:19 AM PST by jocon307
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To: FrdmLvr

Chee = Navajo = racial


11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:23:02 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: jocon307
I can only wonder why someone didn’t break up this fight before it got to this point.

Exactly --

Don't they have security guards at Walmart or are they just potted plants???

How is it possible to fear for your life in a public place -- a service desk at a Walmart -- surrounded by dozens of people and employees -- any of whom can intervene at a moment's notice.

12 posted on 02/18/2014 5:29:39 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Good luck getting anyone to intervene. There are few men of character roaming the land anymore.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 5:36:49 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not sure about the law, but if AZ law supports picking a fight then escalating when you start losing, it would be a stupid law, IMO. Throw a punch, take two punches, then shoot.

From http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/arizona-self-defense-laws-use-of-deadly-force

“A.R.S. 13-405 speaks towards the justification of using deadly force against another person. Deadly physical force is justified if it is used as defined in A.R.S. 13-404, or when a reasonable person would believe deadly physical force is necessary to protect themself against the other person’s unlawful deadly physical force.”

If you started the fight, and the person you hit is defending themselves which is lawful under the law, how can you claim to be defending against “unlawful deadly physical force”?

I’m no lawyer, but the initiator of a fight should not be allowed to escalate the fight because he is losing it.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 5:37:31 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: bert

Exactly - the racial dynamics in AZ are very different from most people’s understanding in a black/white construct. It’s also complicated by lingering bad feelings between and among the various tribes. Another interesting dynamic between US immigrant groups would be the one between the Vietnamese and the Chinese. Saw that one played out in the workplace back in the 80s.


15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:38:24 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Its a felony. Unless the dead guy had a lethal weapon on him.

Friend of mine cuffed a little punk a year or so and never even had his pistol on him..it was in his truck. The punk told police he had a firearm on him when he slapped him. Friend went to jail and got off, but not before he had to prove he did NOT have that pistol on him. You can not get into a fight with a firearm on you in AZ. If you do, it is a felony. You can use your firearm ONLY in cases of a crime being committed. Such as B&E, robbery, or if someone is pointing a firearm at you, things like that.


16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:41:12 AM PST by crz
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To: jocon307

Fleeing also tells me the police took a while to respond. Assuming he was actually in fear for his life its a good thing he didnt have to wait for the police to protect him.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:44:28 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Short AP articles must be excerpted at all times. Please make a note of it.


18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:45:58 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Uncle Chip
The Chandler police are kidding, right!!!

An armed society is a polite society.

This was simply and politely edging society towards the polite column.

19 posted on 02/18/2014 5:53:00 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: Uncle Chip

can only wonder why someone didn’t break up this fight before it got to this point.
Exactly —
Don’t they have security guards at Walmart or are they just potted plants???

The answer is NO. They have plain clothes security agents to prevent shoplifting. They are unarmed.


20 posted on 02/18/2014 5:57:18 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Uncle Chip
How is it possible to fear for your life in a public place -- a service desk at a Walmart

Axe mr. chee.

21 posted on 02/18/2014 6:09:59 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; marktwain

Mark Twain might have something to say.

A few files down the street from my hallway. Middle class part of town, although there is a gang presence in neighboring apartments. This was the first Walmart around here. (20+ years ago). They redid it a few years ago. Nice inside.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:17:49 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Admin Moderator

Gotcha —

Just short AP articles or all AP articles???


23 posted on 02/18/2014 6:40:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
How is it possible to fear for your life in a public place ?

Delivering newspapers. I've done that.

24 posted on 02/18/2014 7:06:14 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: crz

So if you are a 90-pound woman who is armed and a 6 foot 8, 300 pound man threatens to beat you to death and comes at you, you cannot shoot him?


25 posted on 02/18/2014 7:09:09 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Walmart is the worst possible place to commit a criminal act, because every square inch is monitored by surveillance cameras, which Walmart has to do because of continuous efforts by scoundrels to fake “slip and fall” accidents, then sue.

And Walmart is more than happy to share those video recordings with the police, which is likely why no charges have been filed at the shooter. A video and a few witnesses just sealed that door shut.


26 posted on 02/18/2014 7:12:27 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: SVTCobra03

Threats to do bodily harm or death is a crime. He can make a threat, but if he comes at you, then it is assault. That is a crime. You can respond by lethal force.
You simply CAN NOT get into a bar room brawl after an arguement and pull a gun. You are equally responsible for the fight.


27 posted on 02/18/2014 7:35:18 AM PST by crz
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To: crz

Those threats have to be immediate, and not in the future.


28 posted on 02/18/2014 7:57:49 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/02/words-make-difference-in-description-of.html


29 posted on 02/18/2014 8:49:26 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/02/words-make-difference-in-description-of.html


30 posted on 02/18/2014 8:49:41 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: FrdmLvr; All

Here is the related article link on freerepublic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3124349/posts


31 posted on 02/18/2014 8:57:27 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: FrdmLvr; Jeff Chandler

Maybe it’s my point of view and personal experience; but, anything in the Valley of the Sun is urban to me. That includes Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, Gilbert, Glendale, Avondale, Peoria, Litchfield Park, Sun City, Apache Junction, San Tan Valley, and Ahwatukee.

Jeff, am I too rural down here?


32 posted on 02/18/2014 9:14:54 AM PST by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: HiJinx
am I too rural down here?

LOL, if you think Chandler is an urban area, then yes.

33 posted on 02/18/2014 9:51:10 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
No, Queen Creek, Gilbert, San Tan Valley is where the rural is now. Chandler is definitely suburb-to-exurb. It creeps up at ya, you think "naw, it's rural because Chandler still has farms and people keeping cattle & horses on their property". But the stables and pastures are surrounded by condos.
34 posted on 02/18/2014 10:02:16 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: no-s
30 years ago there were sheep across the street and hot air balloons launched from a block from here.

There are older areas but Chandler will never be urban.

35 posted on 02/18/2014 10:06:00 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: no-s; Jeff Chandler

Have to admit Jeff is right about one thing - living in Sierra Vista does give me a rural outlook.

I used to live at 39th Ave and Dunlap, graduated from Cortez HS in ‘72. I considered that urban.

At the time, we did our target shooting north of North Mountain Park. I think there’s a golf course there, now.


36 posted on 02/18/2014 10:15:41 AM PST by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: SgtHooper

Correct. I mean, WTH? They want to make this state into a free for all? Pull a gun on someone in this state and you better have a very very good reason for it.

I have been told, by a state troop, that if you shoot someone running away from you after he has busted into your house, you can be charged. Never shoot anyone in the back..that was his advice.


37 posted on 02/18/2014 10:24:35 AM PST by crz
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To: Uncle Chip

All AP articles and everything on the list at the link below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts

Short articles excerpt by at at least 1/2 of the number of words.

Longer articles no more than 300 words.


38 posted on 02/18/2014 10:44:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Resolute Conservative
There are few men of character roaming the land anymore.

Why take the chance of one or the other party shooting you?

39 posted on 02/18/2014 10:47:31 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SVTCobra03
So if you are a 90-pound woman who is armed and a 6 foot 8, 300 pound man threatens to beat you to death and comes at you, you cannot shoot him?

I'm beginning to think that if the 6 foor 8, 300 pound man shot the woman and claimed he feared for his life then there aren't a whole lot of places where he'd be convicted.

40 posted on 02/18/2014 10:51:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: MortMan
If the shooter started the fight, then ‘feared for his life’ because he bit off more than he could chew, that is NOT self-defense.

As with most one-sentence descriptions of laws, this one is wrong. If one *starts* the fight, self-defense is certainly more difficult to prove, but not impossible. One can start a fight, and if one tries to back it down while the other persists, then the homicide would be "justified."

Throwing the first punch does not invalidate the "self-defense" defense. It certainly does make it more difficult to prove, but it's not as cut and dried as you suggest.

41 posted on 02/18/2014 10:52:30 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

That is a valid improvement to my description. But the questions remain - did the shooter start the fight, and was he trying to disengage when the shooting occurred? If the shooter started the fight, and the person he attacked the fight escalates to include deadly force, I think the shooter should still have to prove they were trying to disengage.

Bottom line - a weapon carrier needs to stay out of fights whenever possible. The weapon is not a reason to be braver than normal - it is assurance that one can protect oneself better.


42 posted on 02/18/2014 11:01:50 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan

I agree with you 100%. I carry, and staying away from people fighting is numero uno on my situational awareness list. I’m now waiting to see the video from the store’s security cams.

This is my neighborhood, I live within walking distance of this WM (have for about 20 years), and go there from time to time. Usually on Sunday afternoons around 4PM, so if this had been a time I went there, I would have been in the store when this happened.

I will be watching this story carefully.


43 posted on 02/18/2014 11:08:36 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

Loved it when our subdivision was the last outpost. Balloons flying over the house every weekend. Those were the days.


44 posted on 02/18/2014 11:10:25 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: HiJinx

The school of Vincent Furnier!


45 posted on 02/18/2014 11:13:03 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: HiJinx; Jeff Chandler
I used to live at 39th Ave and Dunlap, graduated from Cortez HS in ‘72. I considered that urban.

In '76, we moved from suburban Houston to Tempe near Rural&Southern. My mom still lives in the same house there. It sure felt like we moved to the city, what with ASU and the freeways nearby, a swimming pool in every back yard. But just a few miles south was endless farmland and even an "Open Range" sign. I don't believe Ray road was paved in '76. Now there is freeway to the south of it! Chandler Mall even! Semiconductor plants and big box stores galore.

46 posted on 02/18/2014 11:50:35 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: machogirl

Yes ma’am! He graduated with my sis-in-law in, I think, ‘68 or ‘69.

You know his dad was a minister, yes?


47 posted on 02/18/2014 12:47:22 PM PST by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: no-s

I know, right? The only thing keeping the area from growing south and east are the reservations. And the mountains to the north are doing little to stop growth.

Bell Rd. used to be horse properties; now you have homes almost all the way out to Anthem, past the Ben Avery range and Lake Pleasant.


48 posted on 02/18/2014 12:50:32 PM PST by HiJinx (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Jeff! A descendant of the city’s founder?


49 posted on 02/18/2014 1:41:53 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: bert

ahh, thank you. I wondered about that.


50 posted on 02/18/2014 1:47:08 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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