Posted on 02/18/2014 4:43:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip
Edited on 02/18/2014 5:44:49 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
A man who shot and killed another man inside a suburban Phoenix Walmart opened fire in self-defense, Chandler police said Monday.
According to Chandler police, Kyle Wayne Quadlin, 25, shot Kriston Charles Belinte Chee, 36, following a fight at a service counter Sunday afternoon.
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I checked the demographics last night on Wikipedia for Chandler when I saw this story on Drudge and was surprised to learn it wasn’t in an “urban” setting.
Good thing neither individual was black.
Good thing neither individual was black.
Stupid.
I still haven’t seen a statement of who STARTED the fight.
If the shooter started the fight, then ‘feared for his life’ because he bit off more than he could chew, that is NOT self-defense.
As usual we aren’t getting the entire story.
Question is did the police get the whole story,
did they get an accurate story.
Apparently there was video. The fact that they
did not arrest but instead submitted to the DA
would indicate that there was a disparity of some
kind in force....probably size. Wonder if there
was an employee or two who witnessed the event
and heard any threats etc. that may have talked
to the investigators.
Be interesting to see how the DA views this.
Of course it’s not Pinal county where it’s legal
to shoot an unarmed man in the back while he has
his hands in the air and you are one of a dozen or
so armed people.
/johnny
That seems a strange construction, wouldn’t it be that having remained in the story he then “left”; fleeing implies, you know, flight, as in swift, sudden, etc.
I can only wonder why someone didn’t break up this fight before it got to this point.
Chee = Navajo = racial
Exactly --
Don't they have security guards at Walmart or are they just potted plants???
How is it possible to fear for your life in a public place -- a service desk at a Walmart -- surrounded by dozens of people and employees -- any of whom can intervene at a moment's notice.
Good luck getting anyone to intervene. There are few men of character roaming the land anymore.
Not sure about the law, but if AZ law supports picking a fight then escalating when you start losing, it would be a stupid law, IMO. Throw a punch, take two punches, then shoot.
From http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/arizona-self-defense-laws-use-of-deadly-force
“A.R.S. 13-405 speaks towards the justification of using deadly force against another person. Deadly physical force is justified if it is used as defined in A.R.S. 13-404, or when a reasonable person would believe deadly physical force is necessary to protect themself against the other person’s unlawful deadly physical force.”
If you started the fight, and the person you hit is defending themselves which is lawful under the law, how can you claim to be defending against “unlawful deadly physical force”?
I’m no lawyer, but the initiator of a fight should not be allowed to escalate the fight because he is losing it.
Exactly - the racial dynamics in AZ are very different from most people’s understanding in a black/white construct. It’s also complicated by lingering bad feelings between and among the various tribes. Another interesting dynamic between US immigrant groups would be the one between the Vietnamese and the Chinese. Saw that one played out in the workplace back in the 80s.
Its a felony. Unless the dead guy had a lethal weapon on him.
Friend of mine cuffed a little punk a year or so and never even had his pistol on him..it was in his truck. The punk told police he had a firearm on him when he slapped him. Friend went to jail and got off, but not before he had to prove he did NOT have that pistol on him. You can not get into a fight with a firearm on you in AZ. If you do, it is a felony. You can use your firearm ONLY in cases of a crime being committed. Such as B&E, robbery, or if someone is pointing a firearm at you, things like that.
Fleeing also tells me the police took a while to respond. Assuming he was actually in fear for his life its a good thing he didnt have to wait for the police to protect him.
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An armed society is a polite society.
This was simply and politely edging society towards the polite column.
can only wonder why someone didn’t break up this fight before it got to this point.
Exactly —
Don’t they have security guards at Walmart or are they just potted plants???
The answer is NO. They have plain clothes security agents to prevent shoplifting. They are unarmed.
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