BREAKING: DHS is not buying up all the ammunition

Bearing Arms ^ | 2/17/14 | Bob Owens

[ChildOfThe60s]

I got an email from Cabelas on that, listing the lot numbers.

Here is the Remington recall link:

http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/s22lrt-recall.aspx

[ChildOfThe60s]

Which of your family members would you be willing to sacrifice in the quest of learning what not to do when attempting to make primer mix.

Does my SIL count??

[FreedomPoster]

Just a hint:

It wasn’t kooky to think the Left might try huge new restrictions on firearms and ammunition in the wake of Gabby Giffords, Aurora and Sandy Hook. In fact, they tried really hard, especially after that last. They were successful in some local jurisdictions, CT and NY in particular.

Just take your “kooky”, sit down, be quiet, and pay attention for a while.

[tomkat]

Well, y'all believe what ya want, but my skeptic hat still won't be going into storage anytime soon.

ps: kudos to those providing good info, regardless the article's veracity

[ChildOfThe60s]

Duh, I mean Winchester.

For some reason I have Remington on the brain.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Excuse me but how do I know that GAO, DHS, DOJ... are not lying?” <<

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Trust them...
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[familyop]

Here’s one of the efforts of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) toward background checks. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) is based in Newtown, Connecticut.

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

Also, it appeared that the NSSF should have known good and well about the anti-Second-Amendment background of Reed Exhibitions (of England) in advance. The information had even been posted to Wikipedia.

NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) Statement on the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2981411/posts

[i_robot73]

And still NO reason (that I can think of) for the purchase of HOLLOW POINT for ‘target practice’. Guess that just wouldn’t fit the meme

[familyop]

As for the ammunition shortages, those are not caused by DHS. They're caused by the big media (sponsored by crooks), dishonest gougers and the following in political/regulator customers.

Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See Hysteric.] (Med.) A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women, in which the emotional and reflex excitability is exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished, so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into paroxism or fits. [1913 Webster] Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing, and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the throat. The affection presents the most varied symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment alone. Hysteric

[familyop]

Little formatting corrrection here:

As for the ammunition shortages, those are not caused by DHS. They're caused by the big media (sponsored by crooks), dishonest gougers and the following in political/regulator customers.

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric

[saleman]

“Specifically, about over-hyped concern driving ammo shortages, is there any way this might reverse? What about simple step ups in manufacturing? There must be a certain point that can be reached where supply will catch up to demand”

Haven’t you heard? There are no ammo shortages comrade. As a matter of fact ammo production is currently at 93,000,000 rounds a mo! Production is up from the forecast of 100,000,000 a mo. Although much of the ammo is being used by our valiant troops in the war against Eastasia, there is plenty available for you and I!

Trust me......

[Turbo Pig]

I don’t buy that this is some sort of arming up of the government; beyond what ti normally does; which is too much, that’s another story, though.

I do firmly believe that this is an attempt, by the government to manipulate ammo supplies. The contracts that DHS signed are all the type where the government gets all the product coming off the line, before any other buyer. They executed these contracts, and will be for about 6 more years, IIRC, on a regular basis. They ARE buying larger than normal numbers and this has strained the civilian market. In other words, the ammo manufactures were at peak capacity supplying government contracts.

Luckily, they had the ability to expand production to meet the increased demands. From my reading it takes approximate 18 to 24 months for a manufacturer to significantly expand their manufacturing capacity. They simply don’t have the equipment lying around, and it has to actually be manufactured itself in many cases. The logistics of it all, coupled with the increased demand and panic buying made it extremely difficult for them to meet the new demands.

In the end, its been proven that through these contracts, the government can dry up the civilian ammo market, almost at will. Manufacturers are not going to maintain the extra equipment, in case of increased demand. It just isn’t cost effective. All the government has to do is exercise these types of contracts and boom, almost instant civilian ammo shortage.

Call me a nut job, too, if you wish. Upon examination, this is the only logical explanation I can come up with to explain the exact way this whole thing developed.

[Secret Agent Man]

that price is about double to triple what .22 lr was the last time i bought it.

[Robert A Cook PE]

You describing the liberal’s hysterical DEMANDS to confiscate ALL private fire arms in the US?

[nitzy]

The American ammunition industry is currently producing rimfire ammunition at an annual rate of 9.3 BILLION rounds

Is your contention that anywhere close to 9.3 billion rounds were actually sold to consumers last year?

If so, who was selling it? Who was buying it? Seems like an awful lot of ammo to be sold in secret.

Sorry, but the answer has to be something different than...

"The reason there is no ammo for sale is because so many people are buying so much ammo."

That is kind of like Yogi Berra on why he quit going to a restaurant....

“Nobody goes there anymore because it’s too crowded.”

[saleman]

“As of October 2013, DHS estimates it had approximately 159 million rounds in inventory, enough to last about 22 months to meet the training and operational needs of its firearm-carrying personnel.”

From the article..

22 mo’s is 1.83 years. 159,000,000 rds divided by 1.83 is 86,885,245 per year. Divide that by 1300 rds, rds need per armed personnel. What do you get?

6,681,000 armed homeland security personnel....Really?

[B4Ranch]

>>Put simply, it’s the hoarders and speculators, not DHS, that is drying up ammunition supplies. <<

Never before in the history of mankind has there been a gun salesman that comes anywhere close to our pResident Obama. The man does have this one good quality about him that I keep forgetting. He is solely responsible for the arming of America. I hope the liberal historians include this in his biography.

[ChildOfThe60s]

Sounds close. Before I quit buying on a regular basis, I was getting Federal bricks (good target stuff) for $18-$20 and CCI mini mags for about $7.95 a hundred at Wal Mart.

I just got in a 525 rd brick of Federal from Cabelas for $22 that has been back ordered since early December 2012. And, funny thing, it was part of a free shipping order; everything else shipped back at that time. So $22 was my total cost.

I just can’t bear to shoot much of it knowing the replacement cost, but I am going to use this brick up as soon as the weather permits.

[B4Ranch]

Just about every shooter that I know has cases of ammo in storage. Ten thousand rounds is not considered being overstocked anymore. It is the minimums these guys keep on hand.

[JoeProBono]