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TEXAS SENATE: Will we "Cruz" to Victory or "Todd Aikin" our way to Defeat? (Vanity)
February 18, 2014 | Din Maker

Posted on 02/18/2014 10:14:07 AM PST by Din Maker

First of all, I'm a native Texan and a Ronald Reagan-style Republican. Not a drop of RINO blood in me. And, I want to go on record saying I loathe John Cornyn and I've had high hopes of seeing him defeated in the GOP Primary this year. But, I have some real concerns that Cornyn could win reelection if we blow the March 4th GOP Primary. We could miss a great opportunity like Missouri did by nominating Todd Aikin, who had the IQ of a foot stool, and gave Barack Obama's girlfriend, Claire McCaskill another six years. Are my fears well founded. Well, consider..........

STEVE STOCKMAN: He has been my Congressman both times he served and I am NOT voting for the guy. Why? Because if he makes the Primary Run-off Election, Cornyn and team will pull out all the dirt they've been stockpiling on him, just waiting for the Run-Off Election. The guy has more baggage than an Amtrak Train. Investigated by FEC, filed bankruptcy, lied about his jail time, etc., etc., etc. And I guarantee you, there will be stuff come out that we've never yet heard. The Beaumont (TX) Enterprise has already done two front-page, Sunday edition stories on him: One, his FEC investigations and secondly his absenteeism from House votes. My question is: With all the money Conservatives have sent him, why is there not one Radio or TV ad? All he has for a state-wide campaign is Twitter, e-mail addresses and a seldom-traveled blog. Where is all the campaign money? Why is he not out on the campaign trail? One newspaper called him the "Absentee Candidate". The one, and only, interview I heard him give on Radio Station KLVI during his first Congressional Term, was a telephone interview, and I swear the dude was drunk. If Stockman is in the run-off, he will be our Todd Aikin and Cornyn will get another six years to screw us.

DWAYNE STOVALL: I had high-hopes for Mr. Stovall, but, you know, in this day and age, the Press can crucify you over the silliest things. I wish to goodness he would not have done that "Turtle" Ad. When I saw it, I thought: "Oh no; this will come back to bite him." And sure enough the bad pub is starting to roll off the presses. But, that's nothing compared to the following.

CHRIS MAPP: This is our candidate who said all Mexicans were "wet backs". I read it in the Dallas Morning News after being informed of it, via a Private Message, here on FR. Yeah; that will really play well in a run-off election.

So, all we can do is vote our conscience. I'm probably going to vote for Stovall because I think he has the best chance of getting more votes than Stockman. But, I'm also looking seriously at Linda Vega, Reid Reasor or Ken Cope. And let me say in closing: I'll vote for whomever is Cornyn's run-off opponent and hope for the best.


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1 posted on 02/18/2014 10:14:07 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Din Maker

Nice analysis, and I’ve no doubt they have a boatload of stuff on Stockman.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 10:22:04 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Din Maker

There are five Senate seats that would be Republican today but for incompetent tea party candidates, one being Colorado and Michael Bennet, who had no business winning that seat. We’ll see if Ken Buck has found a vaccine for foot in mouth disease.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 10:22:34 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Din Maker

Hope for the best. That’s all one can do. Just getting Cornyn into a run-off
is a huge accomplishment. That alone will send a message to Cornyn
and the rest of the RINO’s.
So Texans, at least get him in a run-off.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 10:24:31 AM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Din Maker

Todd Akin was not a Tea Party candidate he was a stubborn idiot though.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 10:25:46 AM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: Din Maker

turtle?


6 posted on 02/18/2014 10:26:47 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Din Maker

Bingo.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 10:29:40 AM PST by FAA
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Tea Party Candidate In Texas Makes Viral "Turtle Soup" Campaign Ad
8 posted on 02/18/2014 10:31:34 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: colorado tanker

Ummm lets not forget all the seats lost by establishment losers? Berg. Mr. Macaca. Thompson.


9 posted on 02/18/2014 10:35:16 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Din Maker

Stop It!!!! Get out there and quit worrying and vote out Cornyn. Only one worth a dime is Stovall. If we are going to worry about a turtle comparison with someone outside of Texas we have bigger problems. He is a big boy and can handle it, can you!!! Its time we can do BETTER!!!!


10 posted on 02/18/2014 10:38:32 AM PST by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: Din Maker

Todd Aiken shined a bright light and showed us the wickedness in this country. We showed him that you just can’t do that and still hope to win. And we want to win!

(Just don’t ask us whether what we win is worth having.)


11 posted on 02/18/2014 10:39:37 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: vicar7

I don’t think I said that Todd Aikin was a Tea Party candidate.


12 posted on 02/18/2014 10:46:31 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Berlin_Freeper

He may be good guy and have good positions, but you have to wonder about a candidate who decides that a “Turtle Ad” will help him on a greater-than-local stage. In fact, take away the turtle references and everything else in the ad would work.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 10:47:15 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: LearsFool

I agree. Todd Aiken was a good man and was doing well until the media chose to make a cause celebre out of one mis-statement. Which they never do regarding the numerous gaffes made by anyone on the left. A candidate on the right could say nothing extraordinary and the msm would find a way to twist their words.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 10:48:39 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Din Maker

No doubt a real closet Cornyn RINO supporter. Fits Cornyn’s incessant ads demonizing his opponents and stating his own conservative credentials.

Well, actions speak louder than words. Say what you will about Stockman’s loose cannon, but his voting record tells me what I need to know. He also has achieved beating a very entrenched senior Congressman when he defeated Jack Brooks.

A Republican like Cornyn who leads the Dems to victory over his fellow Senate GOP members like he did recently on removal of debt ceiling (giving the Dems a real-life wet dream) is not exactly the kind of person you want representing you. Like Boehner, he is leading the wrong party.

Cornyn was thought to have conservative credentials, but that was in retrospect in comparison to Kay Bailey. We found out what a real conservative acted like when Ted got onto the scene.

I had mused with what if last year Cruz had simply stepped down as Senator, letting Perry replace him with another in the Cruz-mold, then Ted announcing his candidacy for the Senate seat occupied by Cornyn.

Ted would win the primary in a landslide, we would have two conservative Texas Senators, and Cornyn would be placed into retirement to enjoy his three pensions he “earned”.

I wonder if you would still be voting for Cornyn.


15 posted on 02/18/2014 10:48:41 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: GoCards

Only one worth a dime is Stovall.
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I will probably vote for Stovall, but that’s BULLSHIT!!! Have you researched Reid Reasor or Ken Cope?


16 posted on 02/18/2014 10:49:16 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: vicar7
Todd Akin was not a Tea Party candidate he was a stubborn idiot though.

Correct!! There were two other candidates that were more "tea partiers", although as a congressmen Akin was a good conservative. He was encourage to run for Senate by party people. As soon as he made his comments, the dropped him hard and blamed the tea party for nominating him.

17 posted on 02/18/2014 10:51:18 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Din Maker
You're a tad ahead of yourself. This is NOT a duplicate of Cruz' race, because that was for an open seat. Right now, and especially because it's a very short ( 8 weeks) campaign, it's a referendum on Cornyn, pure and simple..hold him below 50%..then figure it out afterwards..

And here's another IMPORTANT point..of the five southern primary races...Texas, SC, Miss, Tenn, and KY, realistically speaking, conservatives have the least chance to pull an upset in Texas. However,. because it's the FIRTST race, it's important, because it will resonate in the other states. You guys force Cornyn into a runoff, or even if you hold him to under 60%, and you're gonna inspire the tea Party folks in the other races..McConnell with s**t a brick...

18 posted on 02/18/2014 10:53:14 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: bestintxas

I wonder if you would still be voting for Cornyn.
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I’m not voting for Cornyn and you can bite me punk!


19 posted on 02/18/2014 10:54:14 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: bestintxas

I wonder if you would still be voting for Cornyn.
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I’m not voting for Cornyn and you can bite me punk!


20 posted on 02/18/2014 10:54:14 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Viennacon

Meg Whitman


21 posted on 02/18/2014 10:55:45 AM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Din Maker

Stockman is going to be the one that makes the runoff if Cornyn is held below 50%.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 10:56:02 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: ken5050

I know that Cruz won an “open” seat, but David Dewhurst was like an incumbent. He was Lt. Gov. He was an entrenched, well-funded, Establishment Texas RINO.


23 posted on 02/18/2014 10:56:45 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Stockman is going to be the one that makes the runoff if Cornyn is held below 50%.
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I know that, and he will be our “Todd Aikin”. I’ll be money on it.


24 posted on 02/18/2014 10:58:40 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: bestintxas

Say what you will about Stockman’s loose cannon, but his voting record tells me what I need to know.
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Yeah; when he shows up to vote and is not sleeping off a drunk.


25 posted on 02/18/2014 11:00:49 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Din Maker

Todd Akin was an excellent Congressman and Conservative, but his sole mistake was an ill-advised comment that violated the Clayton Williams rule (since up until that point, he led McCaskill in the polls by a wide margin). I doubt Stockman will make THAT mistake.


26 posted on 02/18/2014 11:04:32 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Din Maker
I don't care what Stovall says about McConnell and I did see the turtle ad and McConnell does resemble that cartoon turtle.
27 posted on 02/18/2014 11:06:53 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: ken5050

Do you really think that Texas is less likely that Tenn?


28 posted on 02/18/2014 11:10:08 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Din Maker

Congressman Todd Akin was doing OK until big mouth Willard started stirring up things for him and had the Conservatives eating one of their own..

not because Todd had done anything above a misunderstood statement that really didn’t hurt him that much in the polls till Willard intervened..

but because Todd is a Conservative (which Willard is not and never has been)

and Todd is pro-life (and which Willard is not and never has been)

and Willard was looking out as usual for Old Number One, yeah Willard..(and let the rest of the Republicans and the country go to you-know-where for all Willard could care...)

what Todd Akin said didn’t effect Willard but Willard like any other normal or garden variety Liberal knows that the good offence in a campaign is a crisis and if theres none make one and Willard also knows that sympathy is good for the polls..

so Willard latched a slight comment by Congressman Akin and made it into an international incident by screaming a crying like the girl he is..

Sandra Fluke and Wendy Davis on their worse PMS days could not have causes such a fuss...

and Willard got his crisis and Willard got his sympathy and Willard managed to claw himself into being the “spokesman” and “leader” and “statesman” for the GOP at that moment...

and the shame of it was the Conservatives mostly all fell in line behind him..if that’s possible since Willard is a “lead-from-behind kind of Liberal..

Willard of course got lots of free PR and he wailed on camera on cue and had almost everyone kissing his booboo and agreeing Congressman Akin was the most evil threat to freedom since 9/11..

But every time Willard claimed to speak for me he was lying...(When Willard speaks the thinking’s been done doesn’t work for free Americans)

I didn’t think the same hysterical opportunist liberal way Willard does and although Willard claimed to have a consensus “ALL of the country agree” etc Willard was a cowardly Obama-style liar as usual ...

Needless to say Willard got rid of a real Conservative in MO and did what he set out to do...the GOP didn’t get the Senate..

The enemy of the Conservatives and the Republicans in that instance was Willard Mitt Romney, not William Todd Akin..

Willard caused a crisis where there was none and should never have been one if Willard hadn’t opened his big Liberal trap and caused one..

Willard has done nothing good for the Republicans but beat up on them but the Republicans keep acting like an abused wife..


29 posted on 02/18/2014 11:12:04 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Din Maker

I want Cornball to lose in the primary.

I’m ok with a Dem winning the general, if that is the price we pay.

I think we are better off without the Dick Lugar’s of the world in the Senate.


30 posted on 02/18/2014 11:13:24 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Marcella

No doubt, but, dang, be adult in your ads and attacks. It was childless and tasteless. Why do an Ad that you know the Press will use to distract from the issues? It makes Stovall look juvenile.


31 posted on 02/18/2014 11:15:23 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Todd Akin was an excellent Congressman and Conservative, but his sole mistake was an ill-advised comment that violated the Clayton Williams rule (since up until that point, he led McCaskill in the polls by a wide margin). I doubt Stockman will make THAT mistake.

I wouldn't call it his sole mistake. Akin had a lot of quotes for McCaskill to call upon - against Social Security, against Medicare, against the minimum wage. As it happened he managed to do himself in before McCaskill had to haul the other quotes out. Akin was a disaster waiting to happen from the moment he got the nomination. That's why McCaskill was so glad to run against him.

32 posted on 02/18/2014 11:17:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ConservativeDude

I want Cornball to lose in the primary.
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So do I, but that won’t happen if Stockman is in the run-off.


33 posted on 02/18/2014 11:18:16 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: GoCards

Right, if conservatives fold every time the left gets a point we’re never going to accomplish anything. Nobody’s perfect but we only have to worry about conservative imperfection since the libs are slippier than that turtle in a mud slide when we try to make LEGITIMATE charges stick to them.

Biggest mistake conservatives can make is to acknowledge their drivel, ignore it and move on.


34 posted on 02/18/2014 11:22:36 AM PST by Kenny
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To: LearsFool

Todd Akin was Claire mcCackle’s choice for an opponent.
In fact, McCackle’s campaign spent more on ads favoring Akin’s candidacy than Akin did.

He was a moron not to figure this out.


35 posted on 02/18/2014 11:29:36 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Din Maker

My fear is the power and money backing Cornyn that he will still pull this out in the long run, but it could be a bloody battle in the meantime.


36 posted on 02/18/2014 11:33:16 AM PST by patriotsoul
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To: Din Maker

Id rather Cornyn lose the runoff and Dems take the seat than Cornyn stay in. RINOs need to learn painful lessons if this nation is to be turned around.


37 posted on 02/18/2014 11:34:06 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: DoodleDawg

How would those other quotes be “mistakes ?” He’s a Conservative in his votes, not just a talker who turns around and votes for the liberal establishment. It was one thing and one thing only that did in Akin (and same thing for Mourdock in Indiana), and he should’ve been sophisticated enough to know to avoid the topic or state that he is pro-life and keep reiterating the point. If Akin was a “disaster waiting to happen”, he certainly would not have enjoyed a long and successful career in the House. McCaskill took an enormous risk in trying to get Akin to be her opponent, and it just as easily could’ve blown up in her face. The same thing happened a decade ago when backing a certain Kenyan with a name that sounds like terrorists for an Illinois Senate seat (with the thinking that an initially well-regarded Chicago Republican would take him down), and we see how that turned out.


38 posted on 02/18/2014 11:35:30 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Our opponent knows us better than we know ourselves. She knew our knees would buckle and our bowels become incontinent if they made fun of us. She knew we would switch sides and join in making fun of Aiken rather than be the objects of derision. She knew that if she could throw Aiken of his pace for just an instant, he would never again be a threat to abortion, that we would ship him off to the glue-factory ourselves. She knew we’re cowards.


39 posted on 02/18/2014 11:40:56 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: colorado tanker

And how many Establishment candidates (non-incumbent) won in 2012 Senate elections? If we keep on electing “moderate” Republicans like Corker, Alexander, Graham, McCain, Collins, Murkowski, Hatch, Ayotte, Heller, Hoeven, Flake, and Kirk we will no longer have anything approaching a conservative party. Tweedledum and Tweedledee.


40 posted on 02/18/2014 11:45:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: fieldmarshaldj
How would those other quotes be “mistakes ?”

Yeah. Run statewide on a platform of doing away with Social Security and Medicaid and the minimum wage and see how well you do.

If Akin was a “disaster waiting to happen”, he certainly would not have enjoyed a long and successful career in the House.

He ran in a conservative district without any real opposition for five election cycles and not a lot of publicity. No mystery about it.

McCaskill took an enormous risk in trying to get Akin to be her opponent, and it just as easily could’ve blown up in her face.

McCaskill knew exactly what she was doing. She knew she was going to have a hard campaign to begin with and knew that Steelman and Brunner would have been much harder candidates to run against. Aikin was her best chance...and she was proven right.

41 posted on 02/18/2014 11:46:26 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Atlas Sneezed
Id rather Cornyn lose the runoff and Dems take the seat than Cornyn stay in.

Who is the Dem candidate? Or is there a Dem primary as well?

42 posted on 02/18/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: DoodleDawg

Many Conservatives favor privatization of Social Security, that’s not an extreme position. Neither is getting the government out of the business of health care or setting minimum wage (which has gone a long way into killing jobs and increasing the cost of goods and services). A good Conservative can articulate these visions.

As for his district, with those known positions, if they were that “unpopular” or “extremist,” he could’ve been defeated (either in the primary or general).

As I said, again, McCaskill took a risk. I might remind you that Steelman had her own baggage. Did you forget the lengths to which the MO GOP sandbagged her primary candidacy for Governor ? I think more than a few establishment types in the party would’ve more than helped McCaskill to eke out a win in the general, so the result would’ve been the same.

I’ll say that based on the information I had at the time, I endorsed Akin as the most Conservative candidate with an electoral history of winning. Steelman was too risky and Brunner an unknown. There was no reason to think Akin couldn’t win, and the polling data AFTER his nomination showed he united Missouri Republicans behind him. This was an “X” factor that sank him that no one could foretell, otherwise you are ascribing supernatural clairvoyance to McCaskill, and that’s really a stretch. I’ll say it once again, it was a risky bet, and it paid off. Absent Akin’s gaffe, it could have easily seen her end up with a 15-20% blowout loss, and we’d be hearing no peeps from the after-the-fact critics of Akin.


43 posted on 02/18/2014 11:58:40 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: kabar

Everyone you named voted against Obamacare. There is a difference.


44 posted on 02/18/2014 11:58:47 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: vicar7

From what I’ve read Todd Aiken was a good man who served us well in Congress for many years. Does one misstep so taint a worthy career that we simply abandon him? Does the feminist lobby always rule? The msm went after him, and the “conservatives” stood by and watched. The poor candidate line, that’s what the msm pushed. We’re the gutless ones. Democrats lie, cheat, steal, and whatever and still get elected. The problem is not Todd Aiken. The problem is us.


45 posted on 02/18/2014 12:01:21 PM PST by Essie
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To: Din Maker

Afraid STOCKMAN will get the majority of the vote of the challengers. Putting him in the run off with Corncob.

I’ll probably vote Stovall, the “turtle” comment doesn’t bother me in the least. Besides, the press is going to give a rectal exam to anybody that challenges the RINO.


46 posted on 02/18/2014 12:01:31 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

There’s 5 Democrat candidates running, but only one has any amount of money to mount a race (a failed ‘12 House candidate named David Alameel).


47 posted on 02/18/2014 12:01:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: ConservativeDude

Now see, you are a real serious guy, and THAT is what a serious battle plan looks like.

Do you think the original Tea Party negotiated at Boston, or comromised? Rather, they calculated total loss, or total war.

No namby pamby navel gazing strategies for them.

Cornyn gets no vote here, no matter what rodeo he performs in, primary or general.


48 posted on 02/18/2014 12:02:13 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: LearsFool
Missouri's GOP had two superior choices, equally pro-life.

It's my observation that the same supporters who walked away from Jim Talent gave us the dud Akin and paved McCackle’s reelection.

Shameful !

49 posted on 02/18/2014 12:03:04 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well said.


50 posted on 02/18/2014 12:04:00 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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