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Union Vote In Chattanooga Shows Danger Of Card Check
Investors.com ^ | February 18, 2014 | IBD Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2014 4:42:56 PM PST by jazusamo

Labor: Union bosses have contended for some time that a secret ballot isn't needed to unionize a workplace. All that's needed, they said, was employees' signatures on cards. But Chattanooga proved them wrong.

For months the United Auto Workers have said a majority of workers at the Volkswagen plant in Tennessee had signed cards expressing their interest in unionizing. Why bother with a secret ballot when the workers had already spoken through the "card check" approval process?

Before a much-anticipated and widely followed union-representation vote held last week, the AP reported that Gary Casteel, Tennessee-based regional director for the UAW, was saying a "solid majority" of workers had signed cards favoring certification. Reuters reported a similar story, with UAW President Bob King insisting, "Yes, we have a majority."

As it turned out, the union's claim of majority support was wrong. Workers at the Chattanooga plant used secret ballots to reject union representation 53-47.

The vote showed two things. One, unions continue to lose power and influence — they are relics in today's private-sector workplace. UAW membership is down 75% since the late 1980 while only 6.7% of the entire private-sector workforce belongs to unions.

In Chattanooga, the UAW couldn't even win an election when the employer was on its side. It had a built-in advantage with Volkswagen trying to trap its employees in a German-style works council, and it still failed.

Two, the secret ballot is important — and card check is dangerous. Card check is an idea that's been around a while. Under the practice, a company can, if it wishes, recognize a union when a majority of employees voluntarily sign cards that designate that union to represent them.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Germany; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: bobcorker; bobking; cardcheck; garycasteel; germany; secretballot; tennessee; thugs; tn; uaw; unions; volkswagen; vw
This is proof that card check is nothing more than another power grab by unions and the likes of 0bama and Holder.
1 posted on 02/18/2014 4:42:56 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
reject union representation 53-47.

Just to be clear that is 53% to 47%.

about 1400 votes were cast.

2 posted on 02/18/2014 4:48:13 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: jazusamo
The word ‘voluntarily’ isn't relevant in this instance. Obviously the Union had bullied many workers into signing the cards. The secret ballot is of utmost importance in EVERY ELECTION of any kind. That is the only way to assure an honest vote. Now, when it comes to the Dems cheating, we had better figure out how they are doing it or we won't win another National election.
3 posted on 02/18/2014 4:48:19 PM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: jazusamo

It was the unions that fought for secret ballots and they were right to do so. Management has no right to intimidate employees into voting against unionization. But the union is so transparently hypocritical to NOW want to do away with the secret ballot so they can rig the elections with thuggery. There’s no legitimate reason for anyone on either side to oppose secret ballots, and you can tell who the sleazebags are at any given moment by checking who’s against them.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 4:48:36 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: jazusamo

The VW vote is precisely why the unions want unionization accepted just based on the card check to be in effect as soon as there is a majority of signatures. Strongarmery can get signatures but is ineffective for secret balloting.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 4:49:12 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Michael.SF.

Thanks, I noticed that too.


6 posted on 02/18/2014 4:50:59 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: arthurus

bump


7 posted on 02/18/2014 4:51:00 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: jazusamo

Never have, never will like what Unions are today. That said, another angle here in the dramatic drop in Union membership is that there has been a similar drop in the type of jobs available that attract the Unions.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 4:53:04 PM PST by IamConservative (There is no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: Still Thinking

Well said and dead on the mark.


9 posted on 02/18/2014 4:53:19 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: arthurus

Amen.


10 posted on 02/18/2014 4:54:48 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo

Card check is a totalitarian gangsterish tactic of course.

But a works council isn’t a bad idea, if a German or Japanese style one can work in the US. German unions aren’t as corrupt and gangsterish as US ones, and are often even assets. Part of all this is that Germans and Japanese feel social pressure to behave themselves and maintain their reputations.

Americans are much less likely to care what other people think of them. This can be a good thing; it can also lead to a leadership of companies and unions, or of workers, who behave in ways that the Japanese or Germans would find very self serving.


11 posted on 02/18/2014 4:55:11 PM PST by buwaya
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12 posted on 02/18/2014 4:57:00 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks jazusamo.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 4:58:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Michael.SF.

The voting went on for 3 days ...

about 89% of the workers at the Chattanooga VW plant voted..

yes it was 53% those who voted were against unionizing to 47% for..

BTW 89% is much better than the average POTUS election...


14 posted on 02/18/2014 4:59:29 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Still Thinking
That was due to the fact that various firms figured out how to determine the likeliness of someone's vote. They can't peek in the voting booth, but they can make very good guesses without the election.

While no party has no right to intimidate, there are avenues that provide the same outcome while remaining legal. Thankfully, these have not generally been in the union's favor.

15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:11:05 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: arthurus
Strongarmery can get signatures but is ineffective for secret balloting.

Generally, but where there is will there is way.

Consider the live polling by an "independent pollster" prior to a "secret" election of a 'Rat versus a pubbie. There are LOTS Of things that "independent pollster" can do with the results during the campaign, at GOTV time, on election day... and perhaps beyond as well.

... when "independent pollster" is an arm of the union, of course.

16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:11:22 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: jazusamo

Card check is a way to bully people into forming a union they do not want. That is why Obastard wants to do away with it.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:30:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: jazusamo
Ignore the turgid Socialist prose - this article has some interesting info, as in: "Behind the backs of the Chattanooga workers, the UAW signed a “neutrality agreement” pledging that any future labor agreement would be committed to “maintaining and where possible enhancing the cost advantages and other competitive advantages [Volkswagen] enjoys relative to its competitors in the United States and North America.”.

HERE

18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:39:33 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: jazusamo
I'd bet dollars to doughnut holes that the NLRB will pull card check out of their wazoo aperture and declare the VW plant unionized before the month is out.
19 posted on 02/18/2014 6:03:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: jazusamo
UAW President Bob King insisting, "Yes, we have a majority."

Bwahahaha! Deceiving the parasites?

Yes, they (United Socialists of America) do have a majority. Small victory in a larger war BUMP!

HOORAY 712!

20 posted on 02/18/2014 6:09:29 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Oatka
Thanks, the article puts a whole new slant on the UAW and I suspect many other labor unions.

The defeat in Chattanooga could prove to be the final nail in the coffin of this moribund organization.

Let it be so. When a union joins the company, or vice versa, to screw the workers it's gone way too far.

21 posted on 02/18/2014 6:13:25 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m sure the NLRB would like to, it’ll be interesting to see just what they do or try to do.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:15:16 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: PGalt

Bump!


23 posted on 02/18/2014 6:15:41 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo
There was a time for labor unions. Roughly from around 1900 to 1960.

I can certainly defend their existence during said time, because they were NEEDED.

Rotten capitalist pigs would let a worker have his arm sawed off, and they didn't care.

They'd get another cog in the mill take his place.

But there is literally NO place for unions now.

Workmans comp, OSHA, and all sorts of regulations have made these dinosaur unions obsolete.

And there is REALLY no place for "public sector" unions.

They work directly with democrat politicians to maximize their power and screw everyone else, particularly taxpayers along the way.

24 posted on 02/18/2014 6:21:30 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: boop

I couldn’t agree more on both private and public unions, they rip off employees.

I do believe employees should have the right to have a SMALL group that will represent them and their rights under the law for a SMALL monthly fee that’s used strictly for that with absolutely no political affiliations.


25 posted on 02/18/2014 6:30:50 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: originalbuckeye

The Dems are in charge of counting the votes from the touch screen voting machines. A soros company does the counting and once the machines are downloaded there is no recourse. They are wiped clean. Those machines were designed to be fraudulent, I think. The count is what the counting agency says it is and no one can show otherwise. Individual non touch screen machines are evidently easy to hack as shown by many machines that showed Democrat candidates when Republican names were put in in the last election. Republicans hae no history of tinkering with the machines. Democrats do it as SOP. I suspect the next elections are already configured.


26 posted on 02/18/2014 6:45:02 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: originalbuckeye

original buckeye,

Do you think it might be that they are registering people through every mechanism possible, (ie. Acorn, it’s new names, high school registration, drivers lic enrollment, SNAP, Obamacare, et al....) then actually voting for all of them during mail in or early voting? Just a hunch.....


27 posted on 02/18/2014 7:27:48 PM PST by T-Boy (Godspeed for our troops.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Card check is a way to bully people into forming a union they do not want. That is why Obastard wants to do away with it.

You might want to re-word your post.

28 posted on 02/18/2014 8:47:00 PM PST by xone
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To: jazusamo

The story that’s barely been told is that VW supported the UAW. The reason is that VW’s corporate bylaws require plant employees to be organized under workers’ councils, as they are in Germany.

However, US federal laws REQUIRE that such councils operate under the auspices of a labor union. So, under VW’s own bylaws, any VW plant in the US MUST become unionized.

I guess this means that Volkswagen can’t locate plants in right-to-work states.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 4:29:51 AM PST by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: xone

pps. “It” meaning the secret vote, of course.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 6:05:05 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: jazusamo
Thanks, the article puts a whole new slant on the UAW and I suspect many other labor unions.

It's a good site to subscribe to. You have to filter out the "Capitalism is dying" mantra they constantly espouse (they're STILL defending Trotsky fer Crissakes), but they do bring out a lot of these union-management sweetheart deals.

Same with some of their foreign reporting, where, despite their spin, they do present some interesting insights that no one else does.

31 posted on 02/19/2014 6:49:11 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: T-Boy

Yes.


32 posted on 02/19/2014 8:21:32 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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