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Ukrainian riot police charge protesters after nation's bloodiest day, death toll rises to 18
New York Daily News ^ | 02/18/2014

Posted on 02/18/2014 5:06:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Fire rages and petrol bombs fly through the air as riot police crackdown on the demonstrations against President Viktor Yanukovich in Kiev's Independence Square. At least eighteen people — including seven policemen and 11 protesters — were killed and hundreds more were injured during clashes in Kiev on Tuesday.

Fire rages and petrol bombs fly through the air as riot police crackdown on the demonstrations against President Viktor Yanukovich in Kiev's Independence Square.

At least eighteen people — including seven policemen and 11 protesters — were killed and hundreds more were injured during clashes in Kiev on Tuesday.

Many were killed by gunshot and hundreds more were injured, with dozens of them in a serious condition, police and opposition representatives said.

Despite Western demands for restraint and dialogue, the state security service first set a deadline for the demonstrators to end disorder or face "tough measures", and then the police advanced into Independence Square, the center of the protest campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: kiev; kievriot; protest; riot; russia; ukraine
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De Ja Vu, Anyone remember Tien An Men Square in Beijing?
1 posted on 02/18/2014 5:06:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In the meantime, Obama is refusing to take charge of foreign policy.

READ THIS:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/white-house-leaving-ukraine-crisis-up-to-biden/

White House Leaving Ukraine Crisis Up to Biden


2 posted on 02/18/2014 5:07:36 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The police aren’t taking this seriously. Superior firepower wins the day.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 5:08:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seven dead policemen indicates that the “freedom fighters” are armed... similar to Syria, actually.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 5:12:45 PM PST by mvonfr
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To: mvonfr

I read that there are 500,000 Ukrainian citizens with firearms licenses. Think that was in the WSJ.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 5:18:41 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s look at the usual suspects when it comes to eastern European revolutions...

http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/regions/europe

They’ve got a lot of funding from the US government.


6 posted on 02/18/2014 5:27:21 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: AppyPappy
The police aren’t taking this seriously. Superior firepower wins the day.

I suspect they are hoping to avoid even more serious violence. Already a number of police officers have been killed as well as protesters. I doubt the rest of them want to be in a no holds barred firefight with thousands of their fellow countrymen. Particularly those that were or are presently in the army.

The strife in the Ukraine is more like the precursor to a civil war than the typical kind of protest against a government. Hopefully the situation can be resolved quickly without more violence.

8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:53:27 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: AppyPappy

The Berkit is outnumbered. Badly. Both sides have been playing nice...

Up until now...


9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:57:50 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: SeekAndFind
In five years Obama has lost the Mideast, increased our national debt by $7.3 TRILLION, is in the command of the worst recovery in this country's history, destroyed this country's health care system, lost an Ambassador, turned the IRS on his political enemies and is now losing Eastern Europe. Too bad people believed Senator Whack-a-Doodle that we should not fear an Obama Presidency.
10 posted on 02/18/2014 6:06:45 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SeekAndFind

It would laughable were it not so sad.


11 posted on 02/18/2014 6:11:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump


12 posted on 02/18/2014 6:22:59 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SeekAndFind

There is nothing the U.S can do. Unless you want a ground assault.

Get used to a world with a hegemon, it’s here. And China is watching this closely.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 6:33:32 PM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: Dead Corpse

I would put snipers on the buildings. When they tried to kill a policeman, a bullet through the skull


14 posted on 02/18/2014 6:34:20 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Chgogal

Pray for brave Ukrainians!
They had suffered under soviet/Russian empire for too long. Latest push into Russian KGB empire pushed them to raise and resist oppression.
While America is being herded to commie coral by Kenyan, step by step, electing commie NYC mayor, etc., Kenyan is silent. Remember his comment to Medvedev? “Wait for my second term.....”


15 posted on 02/18/2014 6:40:53 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Prayers indeed are required. It wouldn't surprise that Putin during the Closing Ceremony will have Russian tanks enter Kiev.
16 posted on 02/18/2014 6:43:59 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SeekAndFind
Does Obama have a clue where Ukraine is on a map? Just wondering. I know he knows where all the golf courses are.
17 posted on 02/18/2014 6:47:06 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

http://www.golfukraine.com/

I just sent this link to Barry “Stroke” Obama, so he should be there shortly. (Now I REALLY feel sorry for Ukraine!)


18 posted on 02/18/2014 6:53:43 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Chgogal
"lost an ambassador"???....not exactly...he allowed him to be murdered viciously....

and yes, its pretty amazing that no one has moved one iota to impeachment...

I despise a good portion of the American public...

19 posted on 02/18/2014 7:14:46 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: AppyPappy; PieterCasparzen; Leo Carpathian
You said, "I would put snipers on the buildings. When they tried to kill a policeman, a bullet through the skull."

I don't think you understand what is going on over there. Their government is corrupt and wants to turn Ukraine back over to the Russians. They are rebelling against fraudulently elected president who has rewritten the constitution illegally to basically give himself dictatorial powers.The corrupt president has just accepted another several billion dollar loan from Russia. They are fighting for the last scraps of freedom that are about to be taken away from them.

20 posted on 02/18/2014 7:22:26 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

I am so confused by all the Russian Drama.....

I know that some of the dissidents in the former Soviet Union are muslim radicals. I thought the Ukraine had had some modicum of freedom but then their last elections put some of Putin’s buddies back in power (at least I think that’s what happened....since news doesn’t cover it much anymore I may be wrong).

I guess my question is this: am I cheering for the rebels in this case or not?


21 posted on 02/18/2014 7:47:17 PM PST by Nifster
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To: freeandfreezing

I think there’s no going back now. Everyone will pick a side and it’ll snowball from there.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 7:48:09 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2553565094001/violent-clashes-between-police-protesters-in-ukraine/#sp=watch-live

I have no idea what is going on


23 posted on 02/18/2014 7:48:26 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Soros is a billionaire getting government handouts...


24 posted on 02/18/2014 7:48:52 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Leo Carpathian

See now that’s what I thought but I am having a hard time finding anything news wise (even foreign press) that gives me a hint as to who the rebels are.

Maybe that’s my clue though huh? Since the lefty press (and pretty much all of them are) doesn’t want to talk about the uprising in the Ukraine it must be because the good guys are doing the uprising


25 posted on 02/18/2014 7:50:36 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I’ve read several accounts of “protestors” being hired and bused in, and there are accounts of merceneries on the protestors’ side now. THe protestors want EU so that is commie stuff.

There doesn’t seem to be a “good” side. The protestors are sort of like Occupukes. But maybe not all are. The protestors are getting very violent. They think they can get violent and no one will hit ‘em back?


26 posted on 02/18/2014 7:50:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: cherry

What do you mean no one??? The only people who can sit in Congress. Articles of Impeachemtn have been drawn; now the trick is to get them introduced and voted upon


27 posted on 02/18/2014 7:51:51 PM PST by Nifster
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To: boxlunch

The EU is involved and the EU is commie. So where is the “good” side?


28 posted on 02/18/2014 7:53:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

The history of the Ukraine is a difficult one. The only reason they fell under Soviet rule is because they were starved to death until they submitted. There has always been a dissident’s heart in the Ukraine. Many managed to escape during the Hungarian uprising in 56. After the fall the Ukraine should signs of being a stabilizing and somewhat democratic influence in the are.

They want the EU because they think it will bring them economic outlets AND more importantly (and unrealistically) defense by those in NATO


29 posted on 02/18/2014 7:56:33 PM PST by Nifster
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To: little jeremiah

Just exactly where and how is the EU involved?

And to be factual the EU is not communist.


30 posted on 02/18/2014 7:58:09 PM PST by Nifster
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To: AppyPappy

Where were you when those same police were randomly targeting opposition leaders and torturing them to death?


31 posted on 02/18/2014 7:59:07 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: little jeremiah

The actual real people, who are mostly at home, going to work, raising their children, etc.

They’ve been enslaved to the new world order “team” called the Eastern bloc.

Now the new world order “team” called the Western block is covertly trying to take this neighborhood as its territory.

It’s like the Gambinos fighting the Bonannos over who will get a “cut” of everybody’s paycheck.

The good guys are not part of either outfit; the bulk of the population who really have no real voice.


32 posted on 02/18/2014 7:59:24 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: boxlunch

He doesn’t understand


33 posted on 02/18/2014 7:59:46 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: little jeremiah

The Scoboda types hate Commies.

Very doubtful they’d cotton to that for long.


34 posted on 02/18/2014 8:00:05 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: little jeremiah

The protestors want the EU, the government wants closer ties to Russia.


35 posted on 02/18/2014 8:00:48 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Dead Corpse

Pos autocorrect... Svoboda...

Svoboda is known for its anti-Communist stance, and several party activists over the years have been accused of trying to destroy Communist-era statues.[84][85][86][87][88]
On February 16, 2013, police in Ukraine opened a criminal case on charges of hooliganism against nationalist activists lead by Svoboda Supreme Rada deputy Ihor Miroshnychenko for the dismantling of a statue of Vladimir Lenin in Okhtyrka, Sumy Oblast. “There is no place for Communist symbols and ideology in European Ukraine and if the authorities cannot get rid of them, we will do it ourselves”, said Miroshnychenko. According to police, Miroshnychenko climbed the statue and put a rope around Lenin’s figure, which was then pulled down by a truck.[89]


36 posted on 02/18/2014 8:01:32 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: PieterCasparzen

That’s what I figured.


37 posted on 02/18/2014 8:02:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Nifster
They want the EU because they think it will bring them economic outlets AND more importantly (and unrealistically) defense by those in NATO

Only the top nations of the EU economically are not faring poorly.

Ukraine would be yet another backward nation - compared to the Germanys, Switzerlands, Frances, etc.

IMHO, the reports of Ukraine "wanting" to join the EU are solely due to ongoing Soros and other Western operations inside the Ukraine.

I posted a thread with an article from rt.com from 2011 that predicted this was going to happen, and that Soros was a major mover.

Color Revolutions...
38 posted on 02/18/2014 8:04:28 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its the Sluzhba Bezpeky Ukrayiny - SBU - Ukraine’s version of Russia’s FSB that is the successor to the Soviet era KGB. The authorities can also call out the Internal Troops to suppress riots and disorders.


39 posted on 02/18/2014 8:10:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I have difficulty accepting Russia Today as a valid source of my information. They are about as reliable as the NYSlimes


40 posted on 02/18/2014 8:13:41 PM PST by Nifster
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To: PieterCasparzen

I do not see where Soros is connected. What am I missing?


41 posted on 02/18/2014 8:19:06 PM PST by Nifster
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To: AppyPappy
I would put snipers on the buildings. When they tried to kill a policeman, a bullet through the skull

That's the kind of escalation the police are apparently, for now at least, trying to avoid. Because there are enough people on both sides, with weapons, including potentially members of the police and armed forces, that it could end up with snipers on the buildings from both sides - and lots of them.

Nobody should advocate that kind of thing. Take a look at the news and videos from Syria to see where that kind of violence ends up. What is necessary is for both sides to calm down and move away from further violence.

42 posted on 02/18/2014 8:32:13 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Nifster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_revolutions#Soros_foundation_and_U.S._influence


43 posted on 02/18/2014 8:37:55 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: freeandfreezing; AppyPappy

Right, agitprop procedure is to agitate, elicit a forceful response, then propgandize to make maximum use of the response.

You try to gain the implied position of being in the right.

The big bad government did ___.

Of course, you don’t include your agitation in your propaganda report.


44 posted on 02/18/2014 8:41:51 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Could be.

The line of fire is a novel technique, it certainly creates a spectacle and stops traditional massed riot police tactics.

Live Stream

45 posted on 02/18/2014 8:45:16 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

check out what happened in Venezuela:

They arrested the opposition leader for murders carried out by government backed colectivos, and everyone knows it

http://devilsexcrement.com/2014/02/18/in-venezuela-opposition-leader-leopoldo-lopez-turns-himself/


46 posted on 02/18/2014 8:52:37 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Shame on you to suggest that protesters losing their lives are doing it for money


47 posted on 02/18/2014 9:38:10 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Nifster

No Muslim in sight. Corrupt Russian puppet president in place thought he could intimidate people with kidnapping and tortures, backfiring now


48 posted on 02/18/2014 9:42:42 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: PieterCasparzen

Perhaps your English comprehension is not great. This article merely says some people say...

That is not proof


49 posted on 02/18/2014 9:53:59 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Ivan Mazepa

That is what I thought


50 posted on 02/18/2014 9:54:32 PM PST by Nifster
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