Skip to comments.Police Beat, Stun Deaf Man After Confusing Sign Language With Threatening Gestures
Posted on 02/18/2014 5:14:01 PM PST by MeshugeMikey
Jonathan Meister was retrieving some stuff he was storing at an ex-roommates home when he looked up to find several members of the Hawthorne Police Department approaching. The South Bay man claims officers didnt give him a chance to explain what he was doing before placing him in handcuffs, beating him and using a stun gun to shock him into submission. The problem began when police reportedly misunderstood Meisters attempts to speak in sign language as threatening gestures.
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my son has had similar problems but not quite a severe as this
the first thing that came to mind when I first read the headline was the alleged sign language interterptor at the mandela funeral...
Deaf-Americans should understand that their use of signs can be interpreted as gang gestures, especially by those who have swore to protect and serve us.
Since that's their only way of speaking, what do you recommend they do instead of using sign language?
The guy at Mandela’s funeral pretty much admitted he was a 21st century schizoid man.
The problem is there are an increasingly number of “d” average high school bullies filling the police ranks.
Then again those sworn to protect us could actually protect us!
“Since that’s their only way of speaking, what do you recommend they do instead of using sign language?”
Tell me this - when you are cornered by the police, despite your ability to make sounds, do you keep your mouth shut or keep yapping?
Well, at least the brave young police officers made it home safely.
Every article about idiot police beating, hurting, assaulting, tazing, shooting people have this little tidbit lets you know they are in the wrong...
Another ‘big dick’ cop showing how tough he is. -Cuz’ everybody knows how dangerous a deaf man is. That’s why they had to smack him in the head and taze him
They are even worse that the LAPD that controlled the speakeasys during prohibition.
“To Protect (themselves before all others) and Serve (themselves before all others).”
Since there were no dogs to shoot somebody had to pay.
Wulfie will be so sad that he missed this...
Is that the excuse they have for shooting dogs?
Interesting order of events.
Before -all- of the cop haters show up... There’s a reasonable point to be made here. The deaf have a unique problem when it comes to dealing with police AND the police have a unique problem when it come to dealing with deaf people.
There ought to be a way for both parties to more quickly recognize and respond clearly to the situation. Cops need to be more aware of deafness and deaf people need a clear signal they can give to prevent misunderstanding. I don’t know what such a signal might be but it seems like there ought to be something that could be devised and promulgated through the deaf and police communities to make such interactions more predictable.
I think police these days must recruit the mentally deficient then feed them steroids.
Hey, the cops got to go home safe that night, that’s the important thing.....
You got to be kidding!
civil rights violation. Americans with disabilities act. Sue their asses. End their careers.
Kidding about what?
Cops aren’t good at dealing with deaf people, or even recognizing when they are dealing with a deaf person AND deaf people aren’t good at dealing with police. Seems like something solvable if people would just figure it out.
Surely you meant to say that those whose duty it is to protect and serve should also be somewhat cognizant of American Sign Language. And, they shouldn't go into a situation so hot that they can't communicate with the suspect, right? Or is this another case of "if they don't speak English, they deserve it?"
Really, that's what you meant, right?
cops need to understand when i use sign language i am a free bird
Cops aren’t good at dealing with humans or animals the past 20-30 years.They have serious overreaction issues and can’t control themselves very well and many have no business being LEO’s.
When I attended the police academy 42 years ago much time was spent teaching recruits how to recognize people with disabilities (that was proper terminology back then). Particular attention was paid to the deaf, mentally ill, and diabetics with films depicting different scenarios played to “stop points” followed by “what happens next” discussions between the students and instructor. It took up class time that might have been spent on other subjects, but I absorbed plenty of info and insight which enabled me to navigate a 23 year career without ever embarrassing myself or my department with a train-wreck like the one described in this article.
How f’ing threatening can sign language hand movements be to an armed police officer???
How about police officers assume some risk in a high risk job instead of demanding everyone else’s safety come after their own. Don’t like the risk, don’t apply for the job. Somewhere along the way the mission to “serve and protect” has been lost.
Just another day, servin’ and protectin’.
Have a sign printed up (very slowly as public servants read slowly) for use in emergency situations. Example: I’m deaf, don’t shoot.
One would think a woman being frisked by a MALE officer would be a civil rights violation; yet that seems to happen ALL the time.
Cops need to calm down.
Does that make me a cop hater?
You better keep him far, far away from the cops then.
“Cops arent good at dealing with deaf people, “
Cops have a built in institutional resort to violence. Immediately. With very little warning. At least with a dog you can see his hears lay back and it will show teeth.
The cops sometimes don’t even show badge. They just start kicking in doors and shooting people.
Defending modern Police is like defending Stalin. Aw hell. Joseph was just a farm boy.
Now that all you cop bashers have had your say, a comment from someone who has a deaf aunt, a son with a deaf girlfriend, deaf friends, and has studied ASL (American Sign Language):
In the good old days (I’m approaching 70, and studied ASL 40 years ago) the sign for “I’m deaf” was “Ear + Closed”. Point to your ear, then make the “closed” sign. Pretty clear. If one was “core deaf” (i.e. born deaf as opposed to loosing their hearing later in life), a spoken word or two after that was signed once or twice is so different from what we normally hear is enough to drive the point home to even the dimmest among us.
The PC movement has affected the deaf community, too. See: http://www.handspeak.com/word/search.php?wordID=deaf&submitword=Find
That old sign is now #3 on the list, and, although it was widely recognizable by hearing people, is frowned upon by ASL teachers.
The core deaf have a great deal of trepidation about driving at night and being in an accident or being stopped by the police - for good reason. I tell them the same thing we tell the concealed carry class students. If stopped:
1/ Pull way off the road, turn on your flashers and turn off your engine
2/ All interior lights on, and, weather permitting, all windows down.
3/ Hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel
4/ Don’t reach down under the seat; don’t lean over to reach into the glove box.
AND/ Don’t use that dumba$$ politically correct sign for “Deaf”. Have a sign, or a small note pad with “I am deaf; can you please write me a note?” pre-written on it easily accessible. (My son’s girlfriend uses one of those electronic pads that you can write on without a pen).
... apparently, he did not have an assistance dog to shoot. What choice did they have?
He is a 25 year old man.
Most of his problems are in the job seeking field.
He recorded a job interview where the interviewer repeatedly asked him “are you being a smartass”
No I am deaf you effing a hole.
Most employers don’t won’t or don’t care enough to take on a liability in this job market.
So I suppose you’re suggesting that there should be no police? If there’s no police then there’s no courts. So justice should just be served out by the people in mobs?
No. Nice try.
I am saying that Police need monumental institutional reform.
The only people who can reform cops, are cops. Departments all over the country communicate with other through trade shows, educational seminars, through the Police Union. They can reform themselves.
If they do not. If they cannot. They must be defunded until they do.
Internal reform is very hard to do. Leaders with conscience and vision must step up.
Or, we the citizens can just quietly take our occasional beating. You cool with that? Or are you only cool with that until the day something bad happens to you or to one of your loved ones? What will it take for you to have sympathy for the powerless?
I am a small government conservative. That view is incompatible for powerful cities wielding powerful unfettered Police. Do you disagree?
When I was growing up, we had a barber that was deaf in our town. my daddy wrote down how he wanted him to cut our hair. I wish there was some advice I could give you, but words fail me. Good luck and God Bless you.
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In the view of some, yes.
from the heart
words didn't fail you
Good luck and God Bless you.
what kind of asinine statement is that LOL
KILL the IBOP