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Navy Official: China Training for ‘Short Sharp War’ with Japan
U.S. Naval Institute ^ | February 18, 2014 | By USNI News Editor

Posted on 02/18/2014 10:20:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

China has long trained for an amphibious invasion of Taiwan during military exercises but has expanded its training to include a similar attack on Japanese holdings in the East China Sea, according the chief of intelligence of the U.S. Pacific Fleet (PACFLEET).

As part of China’s Mission Action 2013 exercise — a massive exercise between the all branches of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) — the military trained for taking the Senkaku Islands, said Capt. James Fannell, deputy chief of staff intelligence and information operations for PACFLEET.

“We witnessed the massive amphibious and cross military region enterprise — Mission Action 2013,” Fannell said at the West 2014 conference on Feb. 13 in San Diego, Calif. “[We] concluded that the PLA has been given the new task to be able to conduct a short sharp war to destroy Japanese forces in the East China Sea following with what can only be expected a seizure of the Senkakus or even a southern Ryukyu [islands] — as some of their academics say.”

In the last year, China has increased the military activity has additionally increased provocative military actions in the South China Sea around the so-called Nine Dash Line — China’s expansive claim into the region in conflict with several other international claims. . .

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1 posted on 02/18/2014 10:20:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The arrogance of the Chinese is becoming increasingly apparent.

Nobody is going to want to invest in China anymore.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 10:22:46 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Given the history and mindset of Japan, a war with the Japanese may be sharp, but isn’t going to be short.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 10:25:20 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Whole different Japan. What was one the nation of the Kamikaze and Katana is now the nation of Pokemon battles and ‘canned vaginas’.

They’d be relying on support from the US forces, and at this point, Obama is more likely to invade Uganda or hold a miliatry parade in honor of Moochelle’s ugly dresses than he is to defend Japan.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 10:28:09 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Might I suggest a little light reading for the Chinese?

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5 posted on 02/18/2014 10:30:58 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Viennacon

” Whole different Japan. “

The “ Kamikaze “ spirit still rests in the heart / soul of most Japanese ...If push comes to shove the Japanese can and will kick some ass .


6 posted on 02/18/2014 10:44:48 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Viennacon

>>>Whole different Japan. What was one the nation of the Kamikaze and Katana is now the nation of Pokemon battles and ‘canned vaginas’.

They’d be relying on support from the US forces, and at this point, Obama is more likely to invade Uganda or hold a miliatry parade in honor of Moochelle’s ugly dresses than he is to defend Japan.<<<

Bingo. Another problem is that interests of US businesses and politicians are closer to China’s than Japan’s right now.
On the other hand I don’t see a war between China and Japan in recent future.
China is growing expansionist right now, but it has to start with Central Asia, Africa and Taiwan - and it will get it mostly by economic means, especially the latter.
If China is about to get in a hot war it will start with Philippines and Vietnam, but it is still a distant possibility, give them at least 10 more years.
Next there will be India, probably via proxy (Pakistan).
Japan’s and Russia’s turn won’t come until mid-century.
Not to mention most of these nations are clearly recognizes the threat and has their own means to sucker punch China before it is too powerful.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 10:48:32 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This CIC will do nothing. His sights are set on figuring a way to wage war in Syria. Recall how badly both he and McCain wanted it.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 10:50:24 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Jack Hammer

You think the Japanese still have their Samurai spirit even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It would, be, well interesting to see. I know more than a few Chinese hold grudges as deep as it gets against Japan for that the IPA did Nanking and elsewhere. This would get horrifically ugly insanely fast.


9 posted on 02/18/2014 11:36:00 PM PST by freedom462
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Japanese are NOT stupid.. and have no doubt given this much thought..
And calculated what to do with much nuke material...

The three gorges dam would fall at first shot..
Who knows what the Japanese finest stealth cruise missles look like..
They dont give away secrets like the Clintoons and Obama..

I think....... Japanese secrets are indeed secrets..
Beware attacking the Rising Sun.. I would suppose..


10 posted on 02/18/2014 11:44:26 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Not a good idea for the red dragon to poke godzilla with a stick...


11 posted on 02/19/2014 1:03:17 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Jack Hammer

a war with the Japanese may be sharp, but isn’t going to be short>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its very likely that Japan has nuclear weapons, although they are “untested” outside of computer modeling.There have been rumors for years.

I doubt that China or the NORKies would want a sizeable portion of their coasts glowing in the dark.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 1:03:59 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: freedom462

What the Japanese did is much less than what the Chinese did to themselves in the Cultural Revokution. Not that this will matter to the Chinese.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 1:48:50 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Japan was bad enough


14 posted on 02/19/2014 2:11:35 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Japan will win with or without the U.S. I am guessing they have the parts and pieces of a huge Navy, that can be assembled in the matter of a few months. The same for nuclear weapons.


15 posted on 02/19/2014 2:28:11 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Candor7

I suggest that Japan will test a nuke very soon if things do not cool off very quickly. They need to remove all doubt in the PRC’s game plan as to what Japan’s strategic capability entails. Being coy like the Israeli’s won’t work in this situation.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 3:34:58 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: castlegreyskull
"The same for nuclear weapons."

Some defense analysts believe they could respond nuclear in a matter of weeks - they may lose those islands, but not for long.

17 posted on 02/19/2014 4:14:51 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73
Yep. And just how handy would that 44 tons of Pu be? Zerohedge this morning
18 posted on 02/19/2014 4:21:09 AM PST by Riflema
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To: Candor7

Japan not only likely has nuclear weapons, they’re probably like all things Japanese, very precisely made and they’ll work. They’re the Lexus of nukes.


19 posted on 02/19/2014 4:35:02 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Riflema

Awesome article - thanks for the link.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 4:40:03 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

chi-com’s neighbors are all wary of their intentions.
Viet Nam, India, Japan, even Mongolia is afraid the chi-coms will try to make their country the next Nepal.
So they each bolster their military.


21 posted on 02/19/2014 5:05:36 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: ckilmer

The 1%’ers are making vast fortunes off China.

I’m certain they’d rein in any attempts to cause a ruckus with Japan.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 5:06:52 AM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9

We really really need to bring jobs back home.

The 1%’ers had a good run, but the world strategic situation is rapidly deteriorating.

We need to bring jobs back to America.

Now.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 5:10:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Viennacon

During a ride on the subway in Tokyo, I saw middle-aged men wearing diapers. And not just a few.

They were not headed for a silly party, nor did this attire appear extraordinary for them.

While adult males here in the U.S. are controlled by maintaining them in the mindset of boys (Sports!!!!), in Japan, they are infantilized.

An aggressive Japan is EXTREMELY dangerous.


24 posted on 02/19/2014 5:10:08 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Agree. Fully.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 5:11:18 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Hitler planned for a “short sharp war” with Russia, too. It’s funny how your war plans can change after your contact with the enemy.


26 posted on 02/19/2014 5:23:19 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

My own thought about this sort of conflict.

For China’s sake it would need to be Short and Victorious. Inside China are multiple revolutions just waiting for the right moment to be let loose.

For the Japanese, a war might be what is needed to kick-start their economy again and re-ignite the men and women to start reproducing again.

Materiel wise, China has a lot now to work with, They also have a HUGE frontier and border to defend. Can they do that and spare enough to fight Japan with?

For their Neighbors including itty-bitty Taiwan, actions like this may result in a new defensive organization specifically tasked to rein in Chinese military ambitions.

And so on and so forth... Bottom line if there is going to be a ‘hot war’ it needs to be done and over within a month or there will be lots of consequences, economic, military and political.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 5:28:01 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Brad from Tennessee
“[We] concluded that the PLA has been given the new task to be able to conduct a short sharp war to destroy Japanese forces

Analysis from August 1914: [We] concluded that the German Reich has been given the new task to be able to conduct a short sharp war to destroy French forces

When you hear "short sharp" about a potential conflict between two major powers you should be afraid.

28 posted on 02/19/2014 5:38:21 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Brad from Tennessee

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29 posted on 02/19/2014 6:14:11 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: sushiman

I disagree—The Japanese mind set isn’t gone. Any war will see them come together like fingers into a fist! The war will not be short and it will be fearce. China may well be facing a great deal of hurt—as Japanese subs take out China’s trade and cut off her oil. Such a war will hit us to—imagine Wal-mart with nothing from China or Japan? Imagine—to pay for the War China drops all of our bonds—Debt celling be dammed—what if no one will loan us the gold Obama needs? I read that the Japanese could make a Nuke bomb in a weekend! (a H-Bomb might take a month) and they are working on one now. These things can spin out of control fast—Lets hope their are rational heads in China to keep this from getting out of control.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 6:14:53 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ckilmer

“Nobody is going to want to invest in China anymore.”

I wish that were true...but for example...the CEO of IBM, Ginni Rometty, is in China right now kissing the a$$es of the ChiCom leadership to start buying IBM hardware again. The ChiComs stopped buying IBM hardware after the Snowden revelations about NSA spying capabilities embedded in IT hardware.

That 1.2B population pool of “consumers” is just too great a marketing “target” for most corporations these days.


31 posted on 02/19/2014 6:18:41 AM PST by Towed_Jumper (What does it mean to be declared "guilty" in a nation without the rule of law?)
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To: freedom462

I lived in Japan for a while many years ago; yes, they still have the Samurai Spirit.


32 posted on 02/19/2014 7:15:03 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Candor7

Despite their vast armies and huge arsenals, the Chinese are still bass-akwards; there is a sound basis for the phrase “Chinese Fire Drill.”

The Japanese, meanwhile, are sharp as a tack, and venomous, unrelenting enemies.

The North Koreans, if they got dragged into it, would probably stop at Seoul. I suspect, although I couldn’t prove it, that the North Korean rank and file would surrender pretty quickly once they arrived in the southern region of abundant kimchi and barbecue beef. Maybe significant numbers of officers, too.


33 posted on 02/19/2014 7:22:58 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Viennacon

Having worked with the Japanese Defense forces I’ll have to disagree. Their tech is as good as ours, their committment beyond reproach.

Yes they are smaller, but I believe that others in the region would not just sit back and China would end up operating on multiple fronts in a very short time.

Little doubt Japan could have detterent in 2 weeks of the desire - they have had delivery systems for decades.

If nothing else it would be an initial China surge followed by a very long period of back and forth.


34 posted on 02/19/2014 9:06:26 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Jack Hammer

China is so stupid using the stick instead of the carrot. It is alienating all it’s neighbors one by one. Of course the US having a puss in chief who ignores everything his fellow travelers in Peking are up too helps.

If I were China I would take care in dealing with the Japanese. They are provoking a fight they don’t have too and the result will be a rearmed Japan and possibly a nuclear armed Japan. Look for South Korea to start hunting for nukes especially if they think the US will fall to the wayside in the Pacific. I would also look for Vietnam to reach out to India, Japan and even the US for defense related alliances down the road.


35 posted on 02/19/2014 11:18:33 AM PST by sarge83
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I said this “ The “ Kamikaze “ spirit still rests in the heart / soul of most Japanese ...If push comes to shove the Japanese can and will kick some ass . “

What do you disagree with ?


36 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:44 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

the Sirit of Japan is eternal—I do not disagree—I may have gotten your message wrong—If I did—My Bad.


37 posted on 02/19/2014 2:15:48 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ckilmer

Arrogance will not stop money making. If that were the case I know a bunch companies that would be doomed.


38 posted on 02/19/2014 2:16:29 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Today, the samurai spirit can still be found in Japan. I know , after having lived here for 28 years , that the people of Japan take pride in this fact and will ensure that the tradition survives into the future.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 3:55:23 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Jack Hammer; AmericanInTokyo; Bikkuri; Lanimal; thewitz2; lefty-lie-spy; wood35; sushiman; ...
Despite their vast armies and huge arsenals, the Chinese are still bass-akwards; there is a sound basis for the phrase “Chinese Fire Drill.”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just as they invented the Chinese Fire Drill, I assure you they have the solution.....someone called Sun Tzu, who made a point of war command by executing two of the Imperial concubines. The result? .........it will cost dearly to underestimate China as it always has in history:

Arrow Storm China Nationalism

A movie called " The Warring States" (316 B.C.), earned $11.8 million worldwide in 2011. After six days of release, the film reached first place in China's box office chart. Modern Chinese culture is steeped in war history, unlike the West which now generally decries war, and will barely survive the present leftist surrender monkey meme. Chinese popular culture explains the Chinese penchant for consistant sabre rattling.They are not to be underestimated, and will actually be completely dedicated to any fight the government will declare against the West. Its China Nationalism reborn through modern media, and after what the West did to them in the Opium Trade of the later 19th Century, they are not particularly prone to waxing submissive.

It is a myth that China is still acting like "Chinese Fire Drill," a now erroneous idea according to the Western idea that China still is the opium ravaged society brought about by the Western Powers.Those days are long gone.We need to draw a line in the Pacific based on US hegemony, a concept completely alien to our surrender monkey president.

The Japanese are indeed sharp as a .......Gunma sword, and once fired as enemies will be unrelenting to the last man or woman.Already any Chinese person present in any local neighborhood of Japan is cause for deep suspicion and distrust.And if I would be called to fight, there would be no greater honor than to stand with the Japanese, a fact lost on the prick who infests the White Hut, who has disempowerd our nation, and weakened it horribly abroad. We do not have one battle ready division in our Armed Forces, they are worn out and ill equipped from Afghanistan and the presidential "cuts", and I see that today Obama is warning the Ukraine not to "cross the line" in dealing with Kiev demonstrations, what an idiot Obama is, he has no ready military and the Russians know it, laughing at our surrender monkey president.The whole world laughs at Obama and our allies shudder at our weakness.

40 posted on 02/20/2014 6:25:08 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Unlike some, I’ve actually stayed in China and spent time with the Chinese. The phrase “Chinese Fire Drill” remains just as applicable today as ever.


41 posted on 02/20/2014 6:58:59 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Chinese Fire Drill is a hiatus that lasts for only a very short time. It is very much similar to the US fire drill you read about involving Pearl Harbor. Its good to rememebr it, especially now that our country is so weakened by the Obama surrender-coercive utopians.


42 posted on 02/20/2014 7:05:51 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Care to elaborate? I have absolutely NO idea what you’re talking about.


43 posted on 02/20/2014 8:23:23 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

I have absolutely NO idea what you’re talking about.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Talking about History. We have had our own Chinese Fire Drills.Pearl Harbour was one of them.The question simply is, will we have another at the hands of China? We should be applying your logic about the Chinese to ourselves as well as to China, given the a$$hat we have for president.

Chinese Nationalism is on the rise. US strength to counter it is so low that there is nothing Obama could or would do should China invade Taiwan AND the Ryu Kyu Islands next week. The Japanese know this with a great deal of certainty and aplomb.And China is getting ready, as the thread article warns.We had the same attitude that you do about China towards the Japanese in 1941, and so did the Russians towards Japan in the Russo-Japanese war (8 February 1904 – 5 September 1905) , when the Russians had their a$$es handed to them by the Japanese.

One other thing, those Chinese Fire Drillers of yours control the Panama Canal, its under a Red Army management company thanks to William Jeffeson Clinton. A couple of well placed bombs would close it for good.

No, it will not pay NOW to under estimate the Chinese military at all. They need to be taken very seriously.
And the Japanese are doing just that, as they should.


44 posted on 02/20/2014 10:06:05 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Okay, I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.

I might mention, though, that I don’t consider Pearl Harbor to have been in any way a “Chinese Fire Drill.”

But I see where you’re going with this.


45 posted on 02/20/2014 12:48:35 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Candor7
I feel the same way .
46 posted on 02/20/2014 2:20:30 PM PST by sushiman
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