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U.S. Naval ship assigned to Sochi runs aground while refueling and is out of commission
Yahoo Sports ^ | Graham Watson

Posted on 02/18/2014 11:20:52 PM PST by cunning_fish

One of the Naval warships assigned to the Black Sea for U.S. protection during the Sochi Winter Olympics ran aground last Wednesday in a Turkish port as it was attempting to refuel.

The port was 240 miles from Sochi.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: fail; navy; olympics; sochi; ustaylor
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1 posted on 02/18/2014 11:20:53 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Wow! Our U.S. Navy under Zer0 has turned into a modern day Keystone Cop.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 11:45:51 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: cunning_fish

Someone’s about to go from “Commanding Officer” to “Walmart Greeter” at warp speed….


3 posted on 02/18/2014 11:48:54 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

Beat me to it. Strike one Naval career.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 11:54:57 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: cunning_fish
I have nothing to do with water and operation of ships, but I can easily envision that US Captains may not be intimately familiar with every detail of the sea floor at every rarely visited foreign port. Maps only tell you so much, and instruments at speed can only confirm that yes, you have hit the bottom.

But don't Turks have harbor pilots there - people who are well acquainted with all those details of their specific port and can navigate the ship safely? Given that Turks are present in the area since forever, and that they had Black Sea fleet for centuries, I'm sure they have harbor pilots and maintain detailed maps of the sea floor nearby.

Perhaps the US Navy does not require, or does not approve using local pilots? I just can't imagine that the Captain simply took a beeline to the port and never gave it a thought that the depth that is good for a fishing boat may be not quite enough for his heavy ship.

5 posted on 02/19/2014 12:10:02 AM PST by Greysard
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To: cunning_fish

time to update those undersea maps


6 posted on 02/19/2014 12:41:43 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

If the person responsible is one of Obama’s “social experiment” promotions, we will NEVER hear their name. (Alternative: we’ll hear their name and the accident will be chalked up to the person’s reaction to the continued “institutional bias” against them.)

If the person is a long-serving hero, we’ll definitely know their name.


7 posted on 02/19/2014 12:43:12 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jonrick46

Our entire military is falling apart!


8 posted on 02/19/2014 12:44:00 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Greysard

USN ship commanders are the elite of the elite. There is no excuse for any ship master to ground his vessel. If you don’t have confidence in your charts you don’t traverse the area.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 12:47:16 AM PST by JParris
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To: cunning_fish

Foreign ports are always tricky to navigate. Many times the local harbor pilots just plain suck.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 1:00:17 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

Sure, I hope they are to fix it soon.


11 posted on 02/19/2014 1:03:33 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
Well here is a Naval officer who has crossed the Rubicon.

This is a stain that never fades.

There is no going back!

12 posted on 02/19/2014 1:08:54 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: cunning_fish

Aground like sand bar or rock?

Mixed blessing...rock is easier to pull off of but damages

Sand fairly harmless but Lewinskis the bow

Don’t they have depth sounders and alarms?


13 posted on 02/19/2014 1:13:50 AM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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To: wardaddy

From an article the hull is ok, only a propeller was damaged.


14 posted on 02/19/2014 1:15:28 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
Apparently this isn't the first ship to run aground in this port.

Look at the satellite view outside the seawall of Samsun, Turkey, and you will see the shapes of at least a dozen submerged ships. Looks like the approach bottom is a mass of shifting sludge and sunken tankers.

Regardless, the skipper is probably done.

15 posted on 02/19/2014 1:24:56 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: cunning_fish

Back when our Navy had far more ships than admirals, an Ensign Chester Nimitz, Captain of the USS Decatur (DD-5) ran aground in soft mud off Olongapo, Philippines in 1908.

A passing boat pulled the Decatur off the next day. Rather than keep his mouth shut, Nimitz reported the incident, which did no damage. He was court martialed.

THAT is character.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 2:00:17 AM PST by Jacquerie ( Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Amazing that an ensign could be captain!


17 posted on 02/19/2014 2:03:49 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Back in the days of one room school houses, graduating high school was sufficient to be hired as a teacher.


18 posted on 02/19/2014 3:06:57 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: jonrick46

How many pregnant “sailors” were aboard?


19 posted on 02/19/2014 3:11:35 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: meatloaf

Yeah, but the average B.A. couldn’t pass half the tests they had graduating from that one-room schoolhouse. Most would be lucky to pass an 8th grade math final from back in the day.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 3:13:30 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cunning_fish

It appears that Zero didn’t want to offend the Russians. He sends ships so that he’s in a position to claim we were ‘prepared to evacuate Americans’ in event of a terrorist attack. But did he send an Amphibious Ready Group with its LHA/LHD helicopter carrier? Nope! He sends a command ship and a neutered “Perry-class” frigate that has no long-range air defense capability. I’m sure the Russians are laughing their butts off. And Obama had better hope nothing happens because the Americans will have to wait for other ships to steam up the Bosporus.


21 posted on 02/19/2014 3:25:28 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: JParris

Chester Nimitz survived grounding his vessel. I guess we were lucky he wasn’t automatically cashiered.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 3:27:22 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: GeronL

Rapid expansion of the Navy after the Spanish-American War and during the presidency of Teddy Roosevelt, and at a time when the only source of officers was the Naval Academy. Nimitz’ class of 1905 was graduated six months early as “passed midshipmen.”

The effects and aftermath of war: My uncle, USNA class of 1941, graduated early in February; the U.S. already was anticipating entry into WWII. He served in both the Atlantic & Pacific aboard the battleship Idaho. My father returned from the Pacific after two years of combat an Army major...at age 24.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 3:31:37 AM PST by twister881
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To: Mad Dawgg
When Admiral Chester W. Nimitz was a young Ensign and skipper of a small destroyer USS Decatur, he grounded the ship on a mud bank in the Philippines. Though he rescued a seaman from drowning in the wake of the incident, Nimitz was court-martialed and issued a letter of reprimand.

He convincingly defended himself and IIRC, proved the charts were wrong, and said that he was following the precepts of his training when he operated the ship the way he did that close to shore.

Pretty rare stuff, indeed for any Navy captain of a ship to get off so lightly even if they could convince anyone of anything.

Years later, when he was often put in the position of making a judgement on the future of someone who had made a mistake, he was known for reasoned leniency if it was called for, and one of his favorite sayings was "Every dog deserves a second bite."

My favorite grounding story, though, is that of the USS Missouri in 1950, because it has everything negative associated with it that is possible except loss of life. A new captain on his first time taking her to sea, stupidty, arrogance, ignorance, bad judgement, politics, money, engineering, embarrassment, a large ship and a monumental grounding.

Heh, on his first time out of Norfolk, VA, the captain decided to take her up to 15 knots in an area he shouldn't have anyway, went to the wrong side of a marker, had multiple people try to tell him he was going to the wrong side of a channel marker and sailed his 57,000 ton ship at 15 knots (at an unusually extreme high tide, for extra bad luck) onto a very, very gently sloping shoal of gooey, slippery solid mud.

There were people looking at each other (who knew the area well) wondering what he was doing, voiced their opinions and when a quartermaster spoke out, received an icy rebuke, the die was cast.

The ship sailed nearly half a mile onto the gooey, slippery mud, and the grounding was so gradual that the first indication they had on the bridge there was a problem was not the decrease of speed, but the overheating of machinery because the intake valves were sucking up mud!

She sat in full view of a major highway for two weeks, and they finally got her off after completely unloading EVERYTHING on the ship that could be moved, waiting for as high a tide as they could. They had 14 tugboats, and divers in the water with water hoses on the bottom using the jets to free mud from the ship's hull while tugs on each side worked in concert to rock the vessel, and tugs pulled astern.

Just amazing.


24 posted on 02/19/2014 4:05:54 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: cunning_fish

On purpose?


25 posted on 02/19/2014 4:05:56 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Jacquerie; GeronL; Tallguy

Heh, you all thought of him before I did! Darn, pays to read the whole thread first before I post!


26 posted on 02/19/2014 4:07:08 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Yossarian

Depends on what race, the presence or absence of breasts, and who they sleep with.

Any one of the three above negates personal responsibility.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 4:12:47 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: JParris
“There is no excuse for any ship master to ground his vessel. If you don’t have confidence in your charts you don’t traverse the area.”.....

Like many here on FR, I served in the Navy and aboard ship (Heavy Cruisers). It is common practice for most naval vessels, be they military or not, to be under the control of a Harbor Pilot (someone who is familiar with the harbor and mooring sites, etc.) who guides the ship to it's eventual anchorage or pier, etc. This particular ship (no size or class mentioned) may have been a smaller vessel which did NOT require the guidance of the Harbor Pilot. We don't have all the facts other than what some journalist wrote. I'll wait and see before blaming the ships captain.

28 posted on 02/19/2014 4:16:11 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: rlmorel

The officer in charge of this salvage operation was Rear Admiral Homer Wallins. As a Captain in 1941, Wallins was in command of the operation to salvage the sunken battleships in Pearl Harbor.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 4:19:53 AM PST by X Fretensis
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To: rlmorel; Kenny Bunk

Best post of the day! Thanks.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 4:38:07 AM PST by golux
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To: cunning_fish

Whoa!!! Somebody’s gona get fired!!!


31 posted on 02/19/2014 4:49:45 AM PST by ontap
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To: Greysard

My bass boat has enough electronics to keep me from grounding it....this is shear incompetence....it’s one a the most important things the Captain is responsible for and this guy blew it. A grounded vessel is useless. Sylvester the cat can take it out with a rowboat and a can opener!!


32 posted on 02/19/2014 4:56:27 AM PST by ontap
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To: meatloaf

And they were better teachers than a lot of our present day educators!!


33 posted on 02/19/2014 4:58:38 AM PST by ontap
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To: Tallguy

I’m sure the fact that he was just an Ensign played a big role !!!


34 posted on 02/19/2014 5:00:30 AM PST by ontap
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To: rlmorel
"My favorite grounding story, though, is that of the USS Missouri in 1950..."

Twenty years later, you'd still hear the joke "Join the Navy and see Thimble Shoals".

35 posted on 02/19/2014 5:18:05 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: Tallguy

Really...Sh!t happens...move on to the next port!


36 posted on 02/19/2014 5:29:38 AM PST by gr8eman (Neptune, Titan, stars don't frighten!)
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To: Yossarian

So the elderly gentleman walks into work at Walmart and the 20 something supervisor lambastes him for being late. The dressing down goes on for some time . Then the young boss asks the man What did the people at your last job say when you came in late? He calmly replied “ Would you like a cup of coffee Admiral”?


37 posted on 02/19/2014 5:36:07 AM PST by spudville
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To: Greysard
"I have nothing to do with water and operation of ships, but I can easily envision that US Captains may not be intimately familiar with every detail of the sea floor at every rarely visited foreign port. Maps only tell you so much, and instruments at speed can only confirm that yes, you have hit the bottom. - Greysard
Given the many failures of Sochi accomodations (doors that could not close, or would not open, inadequate preparation etc.) it's difficult to dismiss the possibility of Russian psy-ops to break the athletes spirits and make opponents look like fools. Perhaps there was some inadequacy in the details provided to this ship which will be dismissed as a translation error.
38 posted on 02/19/2014 5:40:53 AM PST by wtd
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To: cunning_fish

I don;t know what they call such an incident in the Navy, but in the AF we would refer to is as a “career ender”.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 5:43:44 AM PST by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: cunning_fish

One Naval commander is getting a new nickname—”Old Leadbottom”—that and any chance of promotion is Gone.


40 posted on 02/19/2014 6:01:23 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: cunning_fish

!


41 posted on 02/19/2014 6:12:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: cunning_fish
Welcome, Commander, to your new command.


42 posted on 02/19/2014 7:36:08 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Greysard

Not every port has a harbor pilot, even then CO is still ultimately responsible and can take back the con. Charts are provided by US sources even for foreign ports and a ship gets a new load out based on their planned ops - I understand they may have digital charts now, but still maintain a paper backup. He didn’t hit a wreck he hit bottom which means it is not a change likely to have been different from the chart. With GPS and Visual observation there is no excuse for running aground. My guess is they were preoccupied by the refuel op and didn’t plan well on their route to avoid the area - luckily the oiler didn’t hit as well.


43 posted on 02/19/2014 9:16:29 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k

I correct myself - he only had prop damage which very well could have been due to wreckage shift or new events - we’ll await the results of the investigation.


44 posted on 02/19/2014 9:22:43 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k
"...we’ll await the results of the investigation..."

Hehehe...YOU have never been on a Naval Board of Inquiry!

45 posted on 02/19/2014 10:08:55 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: golux

Thanks! I read a great book on the grounding, it looked like it was printed in the sixties sometime!


46 posted on 02/19/2014 10:09:58 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: X Fretensis

I read a book a while back on the salvage operations at Pearl...it was fascinating.

Sounded like the job of diving on the USS Arizona really sucked. Lots and lots of bodies.


47 posted on 02/19/2014 10:11:11 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: PUGACHEV

Ah! I was having a complete mental block this morning and couldn’t remember the name of the shoal...that’s it!

Has a ring to it, doesn’t it?


48 posted on 02/19/2014 10:12:12 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

hehehe I have processed and represented the command in over 100 admin seps, overseen 200 captains masts, conducted multiple jagman investigations (including one private boat admiralty docked at the base), and written charges for courts-martial (including a nasty murder case).

Was legal o on my first ship and did 6 months with CFAY Legal in Yoko between ships. Best part was working with the Japanese police regarding the SOFA prison.

In other words, I know the process ;)


49 posted on 02/19/2014 11:24:21 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k

oh- and I’m not a lawyer ... just a black shoe SWO doing collateral duty.


50 posted on 02/19/2014 11:25:55 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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