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Rogers High student's tweet, Web boasts may draw felony charge (update)
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | February 18, 2014 | Paul Walsh and Paul Levy

Posted on 02/19/2014 8:02:13 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg

Boasts about sexual conquests on a now-deleted Web page could trigger felony charges against a popular Rogers High School student athlete and others, the latest twist in a swirl of accusations, comments and protest involving social media.

The furor in the Elk River Area School District on Tuesday transcended the dispute over a controversial tweet by the student and exposed the sexually explicit and often vicious exchanges that fill popular online pages created by students at many Minnesota schools. The anonymous posts include bragging messages, accusations and insults directed at students, teachers and others.

Rogers Police Chief Jeff Beahen said the “Rogers Confessions” page on ask.fm attracted many such “sexually charged” submissions. Some referred to a physical education teacher at the high school who was also the target of a Twitter exchange several days ago that led to a more-than-two-month suspension of senior Reid Sagehorn. Sagehorn, the 17-year-old captain of the school’s football and basketball teams, is accused of tweeting, apparently sarcastically, that he “actually, yes” was in an improper relationship with her. “It’s like screaming ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater or ‘I have a bomb’ on an airplane,” Beahen said Tuesday of the possible felony charges, not long after supporters of Sagehorn held a protest outside the school. “If you say something on a very public forum, there are consequences. This young, innocent teacher is the victim here.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: clintonian; education; minnesota; nojoke; notagoodkid; punkmf; putsomeiceonit; slander; socialmedia; sportsworship; suehispunkass; waronwomen
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Headline on website differs from new headline in story:

"Social media use at heart of controversy and protest at Rogers High School"

Sagehorn has been suspended for ten weeks and now faces the prospect of a felony charge. Clearly he made a tremendous error but it appears to me that the lesson here is to be very careful what you say in social media.

1 posted on 02/19/2014 8:02:13 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“the lesson here is to be very careful what you say in social media”

D’oh.


2 posted on 02/19/2014 8:05:47 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

What is being done to this kid is insane. To charge him with a felony is unconscionable.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 8:06:49 AM PST by DManA
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To: tgusa

Indeed. I see it all the time on Twitter. People just don’t think. This young man sounds like a good kid, he’s evidently in NHS as well, but he’s paying a real price for this.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 8:07:29 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You have to be really stupid to jeopardize your future doing something like this. You will never erase things you post.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 8:10:01 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: DManA

To make a felony charge stick, I think they have to show malicious intent, from what I have read. In any event, a felony charge is too much in my view.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 8:10:22 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: txrefugee

It just takes one moment. This was his.


7 posted on 02/19/2014 8:12:42 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: DManA
depends.....did he have a sexual relationship with the PE teacher or was he just defaming her and putting her in a horrible situation?....

she should sue him as well...

that is, if its all a lie...

8 posted on 02/19/2014 8:16:28 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: txrefugee
"You have to be really stupid to jeopardize your future doing something like this. "

Contrary to when I wuz growing up, there really is a permanent record on everyone these days.

9 posted on 02/19/2014 8:17:03 AM PST by Paladin2
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10 posted on 02/19/2014 8:17:21 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cherry

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11 posted on 02/19/2014 8:18:01 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Reid did something incredibly stupid and is reaping the whirlwind.

The teacher in question had nothing to do with any of this and is now being bullied and harassed like she is the bad guy.

He reputation was damaged and career may be affected. A defamation lawsuit is a distinct and appropriate possibility.

Up to now Reid has portrayed himself as the victim in this. Hardly the right attitude. I don't see how he can undo this.

12 posted on 02/19/2014 8:18:34 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: cherry

He is accused of posting the word “yes”.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 8:19:31 AM PST by DManA
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To: Colonel_Flagg
It just takes one moment. This was his

But it shouldn't be. If your "moment" is shooting someone over a traffic dispute that is one thing but this kid wrote a stupid 2 word sentence that carried no malicious intent and could have been diffused with a 5 minute coversation. The life ruining momnent should belong to the administrators who expeled this child and the DA threatening to prosecute.

14 posted on 02/19/2014 8:20:05 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Manic_Episode

He is a victim. Totally.


15 posted on 02/19/2014 8:20:06 AM PST by DManA
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To: Colonel_Flagg

STAY OFF SOCIAL MEDIA.
Can’t say it enough.

Talk to your friends in person or email carefully but stay off social media.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 8:20:12 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DManA

He is no gentleman.


17 posted on 02/19/2014 8:21:40 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

My mom used to say “where there’s smoke there’s fire”


18 posted on 02/19/2014 8:21:47 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Manic_Episode

I don’t believe Sagehorn has said anything publicly regarding this, though I could be wrong. I know the students at the school are supporting him.

The issue for me is that some people take sarcasm for granted in certain contexts in social media. Clearly, that isn’t the case, nor should it be. And you’re quite right, he is reaping the whirlwind.


19 posted on 02/19/2014 8:21:57 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Nonsense. He is a great kid off to a great start. To ruin his entire life over this is worse than farce.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 8:22:38 AM PST by DManA
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I don’t disagree with you. But still, when you post with your name you’re accountable for your words. It’s a horrible situation.


21 posted on 02/19/2014 8:23:14 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

He is reaping a totally uncalled for oppression.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 8:23:20 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

It just seems to me that some sort of common sense should prevail here. There’s no need for the backlash against the teacher here either. She didn’t do anything wrong.

A felony charge will have an impact on the boy for the rest of his life. The article mentioned a lesser charge was possible too, but if there is a way to have some sort of teachable moment on social media out of this whole mess, then people ought to be looking for it.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 8:25:51 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: DManA
He defamed the Ladies honor.

Sowing. Reaping.

24 posted on 02/19/2014 8:28:09 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Manic_Episode

Nonsense. He didn’t.

He sowed nothing and is reaping a piano on his head.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 8:30:09 AM PST by DManA
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Seriously. As a (slightly) wiser adult I still let some things go here on FR that are foolish or that I regret saying. It would be bad news if some things I said as a teenager were enshrined on the net.


26 posted on 02/19/2014 8:30:58 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: DManA

Tell that to the teacher.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 8:32:31 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
But it shouldn't be. If your “moment” is shooting someone over a traffic dispute that is one thing but this kid wrote a stupid 2 word sentence that carried no malicious intent and could have been diffused with a 5 minute coversation. The life ruining momnent should belong to the administrators who expeled this child and the DA threatening to prosecute.

A teacher accused of being in an inappropriate relationship with a student ISN'T cleared of the accusation by a 5 minute conversation.

28 posted on 02/19/2014 8:32:37 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Manic_Episode

I would. If she didn’t see the injustice to this kid she doesn’t deserve to teach.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 8:37:40 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

“To charge him with a felony is unconscionable.”

I just don’t see how this is criminal behavior. What are they saying, that he slandered this woman? Is slander even a felony? I always thought it was a civil offense. Or is it that he placed her in criminal jeopardy because if they *were* having a relationship that would be a crime? That would be making a false report, is that a felony? Aside from the fact that he didn’t make a report to law enforcement.

I’m very confused by this story, who reported this to the police in the first place is one question I have.

If what the kid said was a joke, which I’m assuming it was if they are not, in fact, having an affair, it seems pretty stupid to elevate that to a criminal offense.

I mean, should the loathsome Bill Maher be put in jail for things he has said about Sarah Palin? She’s been slandered as much as anyone in this country and yes, with malicious intent. Or a better example, the uterus obsessed Andrew Sullivan, she probably really should have sued him.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 8:39:18 AM PST by jocon307
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To: cherry
From the article:"In response to Sagehorn’s tweet, the 28-year-old teacher “was called in and interviewed by officers,” the chief said. “We didn’t find that the involvement occurred.” The chief lamented that “no one seems to care about the teacher … and that’s a sad experience. She’s, frankly, being bullied and harassed by students.” Elk River Area Schools Superintendent Mark Bezek said he agrees. “The teacher involved, she did absolutely nothing wrong,” he said. “In the cyberworld, she’s getting crucified. Our staff members wonder: ‘Is this going to happen to me?’ ”"

The focus seems to be mostly on the effect on the young man; what about the damage to the teacher and her reputation? She was interviewed by the police and the article also indicates that she has been reporting to work in a not good environment and missing some days.

31 posted on 02/19/2014 8:40:36 AM PST by Truth29
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To: DManA

Yeah, and rape victims are to blame for not wearing burkas.


32 posted on 02/19/2014 8:45:18 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Manic_Episode

That is a lunatic comparison.


33 posted on 02/19/2014 8:46:09 AM PST by DManA
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To: Truth29
The focus seems to be mostly on the effect on the young man; what about the damage to the teacher and her reputation?

Let me ask you this, because this is what I'm wondering about in reading this story: is the appropriate remedy for damage to the teacher's reputation civil or criminal? Or both?

34 posted on 02/19/2014 8:48:55 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: DManA
Of course it is but you are blaming the victim and by your own admission want to bully her along with the students. That is the injustice here. Your sense of justice is skewered.

Pardon the hell out of me for defending the Ladies honor.

35 posted on 02/19/2014 8:49:04 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Manic_Episode

The victim is the kid.


36 posted on 02/19/2014 8:53:28 AM PST by DManA
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To: Manic_Episode
Stating "actually yes" on ask.fm you are now equating to RAPE?

Get a grip.

37 posted on 02/19/2014 8:53:31 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: DManA

We know of a man who was sentenced to 25 years for responding to an online solicitation “sting” by police posing as an underage girl.

While I abhor this type of actual behavior, when you compare sentences for actual criminal acts vs this police sting where nothing happened and no one was harmed, 25 years does seem excessive.

And then we have the earlier post of a SWAT raid where an 80 year old man was gunned down in his home the middle of the night during a suspected drugs raid. Naturally, no drugs were found, the medical examiner determined that he was in his bed when shot, etc, etc.

Some things just don’t seem right.


38 posted on 02/19/2014 8:53:49 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: Solson

Comprehend what you read much?


39 posted on 02/19/2014 8:55:21 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: DManA
They're both the victim because the DISTRICT decided to blow this way out of proportion which has NOW made it national news.

The kid screwed up, should have publicly recanted and apologized and everyone should have moved along. Instead, the district suspended the kid for TWO MONTHS and NOW are looking to charge him with a FELONY!

THAT is crazy...and the entire fault of the district.

40 posted on 02/19/2014 8:55:28 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
"Let me ask you this, because this is what I'm wondering about in reading this story: is the appropriate remedy for damage to the teacher's reputation civil or criminal? Or both?"

Could be both. There are other postings that have not been identified by who yet that could also lead to charges and divided liability.

41 posted on 02/19/2014 8:56:33 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Manic_Episode

You equated the “crime” to rape. Don’t get pissy just because your words are now being used against you. You’re starting to sound just like the kid you think is to blame.


42 posted on 02/19/2014 8:56:50 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Manic_Episode

You equated the “crime” to rape. Don’t get pissy just because your words are now being used against you. You’re starting to sound just like the kid you think is to blame.


43 posted on 02/19/2014 8:56:51 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: DManA

Yes, but he victimized himself as well as the teacher who has victimized no one. Hello?


44 posted on 02/19/2014 8:56:58 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Truth29

You make a good point in that the article does mention possible charges against the people who set up the ‘confessions’ site in the first place. To me, that would be the more appropriate remedy for a charge.

Someone else had already made the charge against the teacher and Sagehorn was replying to it. Doesn’t make any of it right, of course.


45 posted on 02/19/2014 8:58:00 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Manic_Episode

He did not. He did nothing to the woman.


46 posted on 02/19/2014 8:58:27 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
What is being done to this kid is insane. To charge him with a felony is unconscionable.

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Agreed.

47 posted on 02/19/2014 8:59:04 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Solson

I agree. The district is guilty of atrocious judgement.


48 posted on 02/19/2014 8:59:58 AM PST by DManA
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To: Solson
Let me type this real slow so you understand.

I made an absurd hyperbolic remark to illustrate the absurdity of blaming the victim.

Hyperbole. Look it up.

Ever listen to Rush? Hyperbole is a common debating tool.

Sorry it went over your head and caused confusion.

49 posted on 02/19/2014 9:00:49 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: DManA

You are simply obtuse. Be sure to stamp your foot hard when you make your absolute pronouncements.


50 posted on 02/19/2014 9:04:15 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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