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Homeland Security is seeking a national license plate tracking system
Washington Post ^ | 02/18/2014 | Ellen Nakashima and Josh Hicks

Posted on 02/19/2014 8:14:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

The Department of Homeland Security wants a private company to provide a national license-plate tracking system that would give the agency access to vast amounts of information from commercial and law enforcement tag readers, according to a government proposal that does not specify what privacy safeguards would be put in place.

The national license-plate recognition database, which would draw data from readers that scan the tags of every vehicle crossing their paths, would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants, according to a DHS solicitation. But the database could easily contain more than 1 billion records and could be shared with other law enforcement agencies, raising concerns that the movements of ordinary citizens who are under no criminal suspicion could be scrutinized.

A spokeswoman for DHS’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) stressed that the database “could only be accessed in conjunction with ongoing criminal investigations or to locate wanted individuals.”

The database would enhance agents’ and officers’ ability to locate suspects who could pose a threat to public safety and would reduce the time required to conduct surveillance, ICE spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said.

“It is important to note that this database would be run by a commercial enterprise, and the data would be collected and stored by the commercial enterprise, not the government,” she said.

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Agents would be able to use a smartphone to snap pictures of license plates that could be compared against a “hot list” of plates in the database. They would have 24-hour, seven-day-a-week access, according to the solicitation, which was first noted last week by bloggers.

 

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Why bother with tracking our license plates? Seriously, just go ahead (and try!) to RFID all citizens at birth and just be done with the endless spying and snooping of US citizens.
1 posted on 02/19/2014 8:14:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Creepy. If you live in a state with no front plates, time to get a pickup and drive around with the gate down.


2 posted on 02/19/2014 8:15:53 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes they are going to use this to track Illegal Alians. Right.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 8:16:32 AM PST by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY)
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To: Responsibility2nd; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

4 posted on 02/19/2014 8:16:37 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Homeland Security. Created supposedly to protect us from Moslem terrorism.
Not the size of the USMC with twice the budget, and focusing squarely against the American people. This will be our Gestapo.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 8:17:23 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They will not be using this information until they decide to start using the information.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 8:18:27 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: guardian_of_liberty

> The national license-plate recognition database, which would draw data from readers that scan the tags of every vehicle crossing their paths, would help catch Tea Party members....fixed it


7 posted on 02/19/2014 8:18:31 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: DesertRhino

Typo. That’s “Now the size of the USMC”


8 posted on 02/19/2014 8:19:04 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The national license-plate recognition database, which would draw data from readers that scan the tags of every vehicle crossing their paths, would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants, according to a DHS solicitation.

Seriously?? To help catch fugitive illegal immigrants?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

You know - if they are gonna lie like that - then at least have the decency to come up with a more believable lie.

9 posted on 02/19/2014 8:19:06 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The Department of Homeland Security wants a private company to provide a national license-plate tracking system that would give the agency access to vast amounts of information from commercial and law enforcement tag readers, according to a government proposal that does not specify what privacy safeguards would be put in place.

The only acceptable reliable safeguard is for this information never to come to them at all. Think about it -- what "safeguard" can be trusted when it's implemented by people who've shown chronic disrespect for our civil rights and privacy, and who, even if this were the one exception and they actually intended to secure the data, are so incompetent their software products come out like HealthCare.gov???

10 posted on 02/19/2014 8:19:35 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DesertRhino
This will be our Gestapo.

"Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?"

11 posted on 02/19/2014 8:21:29 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Responsibility2nd

1984, 30 years later.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 8:22:24 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Still Thinking

I have “antique” (they came from antique stores and are ~40 years old) plates on the front of a couple of vehicles. I’m wondering how that is going to work out.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 8:24:56 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yet another reason guys like Rand Paul are embracing Ed Snowden Libertarianism. It’s going to get increasingly popular, given how the tin-eared bureaucrats continue to totter along as if nothing has changed.


14 posted on 02/19/2014 8:24:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Responsibility2nd

What did you think all those cameras were for?


15 posted on 02/19/2014 8:25:10 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Responsibility2nd
would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants

LOL

“could only be accessed in conjunction with ongoing criminal investigations or to locate wanted individuals.”

LOL

“It is important to note that this database would be run by a commercial enterprise, and the data would be collected and stored by the commercial enterprise, not the government,”

ROFLMAO


16 posted on 02/19/2014 8:29:56 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Still Thinking
<1>If you live in a state with no front plates, time to get a pickup and drive around with the gate down.

Not sure if it's front or back that they can capture. Maybe both. We have to have two plates in Maine. I did some research on things like bright IR LEDS to wash out the lettering on the plate but the results seemed to be mixed at best. Yes, tailgate down, perpetual mud, trailer hitch carrier, etc. might be the only good albeit awkward options.

17 posted on 02/19/2014 8:30:41 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Responsibility2nd

And the answer is:

Form an LLC to hold Property, transfer all vehicles and re-register, so your vehicle has NO TIES to YOU when they scan and keep your plate info.


18 posted on 02/19/2014 8:35:49 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Responsibility2nd
...would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants, according to a DHS solicitation.

So they could more efficiently be signed up as democrat voters.

19 posted on 02/19/2014 8:36:51 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: Responsibility2nd


Which lie am I supposed to believe?
20 posted on 02/19/2014 8:37:59 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why do they need another boondoggle taxpayer-funded system? Why don’t just drive through motel parking lots like the cops do?


21 posted on 02/19/2014 8:38:05 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The feral government wants total surveillance over us, but we aren’t even allowed to see Barack Hussein Ubama’s Harvard transcripts.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 8:38:35 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Here is Georgia, our local police department loves to pull over vehicles that do not display their rear license tags from over 50 feet.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 8:39:13 AM PST by Dacula
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To: Responsibility2nd

“according to a government proposal that does not specify what privacy safeguards would be put in place.”

We have Obummer’s promise!


24 posted on 02/19/2014 8:40:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think you have to be pretty naive to think this is not already in place. Yeah, they have 8 to 12 cameras at every traffic light intersection for nothing.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 8:40:19 AM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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26 posted on 02/19/2014 8:41:31 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Responsibility2nd

DHS should be eliminated along with at least half a dozen other cabinet positions and FFFG departments.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 8:42:01 AM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
I did some research on things like bright IR LEDS to wash out the lettering on the plate but the results seemed to be mixed at best.

Most CCD and CMOS imagers are very sensitive to IR and could be blown out by them, but if the camera has an IR filter blocking it the LEDs would never be seen by the imager.

Sony had a video camera they cheaped out on and didn't include an IR filter. Put a filter which blocked visible light and allowed IR through like a Kodak Wratten 87 across the lens and it would show the hot parts of peoples' bodies pretty clearly.

28 posted on 02/19/2014 8:42:04 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Police in our area have cameras that recognize and search for licenses right now.

They are just trying to formalize what is already in place.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 8:44:14 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: eyeamok

The owners/officers of the LLC are public record.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 8:44:19 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Imagine what you could do in an election, if you fed this data into your electoral database!

You’d know where all your supporters go, and where all the people who don’t support you are! In a Get-Out-The-Vote drive, you’d know who drives around in the neighborhoods you are interested in, and what organizations had shuttlebusses!

naturally only the party in power would get this info.

I wonder, in Obama’s Civitas database, where all the data comes from.


31 posted on 02/19/2014 8:44:21 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

THIS is the database I’m talking about:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/09/Breitbart-Flashback-Maxine-Waters-Reveals-Obams-Secret-Data-Base-Filled-With-Voters-Private-Info


32 posted on 02/19/2014 8:46:09 AM PST by DBrow
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To: bravo whiskey

Forking Fantastic Federal Goobermint?


33 posted on 02/19/2014 8:46:24 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: miele man

bump for later lament


34 posted on 02/19/2014 9:00:25 AM PST by miele man
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s already being done...Cop cars are fitted with the cameras and they are taking pictures by the millions...

There are no illegal aliens anymore so we know we were lied to again...

Who in the world is Homeland Security???


35 posted on 02/19/2014 9:01:26 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Now that we can plainly see where the concept of government licensing driving is ultimately going can we now settle this fantasy argument that driving is a "privilege"?

I have argued for years that driving is absolutely your right. It is your liberty, just as riding a bicycle, riding a horse, or walking in a pair of Nikes. Your right to liberty comes from god not from government and therefore you don't need a license.

36 posted on 02/19/2014 9:12:50 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Responsibility2nd

Because all fugitive illegal immigrants have properly registered their vehicles, and are all current on their tags, registration, and proof of insurance, right? GEEZ


37 posted on 02/19/2014 9:13:40 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: DesertRhino
The only portion of DHS that is new is the bureaucracy and TSA. The remainder of DHS are legacy components from DOJ and Treasury.

The slippery slope here is the technology. In the eyes of the law a license plate would be considered public view, and a reader installed on a vehicle would be aiding in running those plates. It wouldn't be hard to manipulate that technology into something a lot worse. Deploy a large number of readers and appropriate software and you have the ability to track anybody through town.

I think what ICE is looking for is "hits" on suspect license plates, but the tendency is to overuse the tools given. Prior to the restraint of judicial intervention, the Feds has gotten exceptionally loose with their use of trackers.

38 posted on 02/19/2014 9:20:01 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Soon they’ll just put some microchip/GPS in all new plates issued. This will cause the cost to quadruple, so there will be a program that makes it affordable for “poor people”. (/s)


39 posted on 02/19/2014 9:21:26 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Responsibility2nd

bkmk


40 posted on 02/19/2014 9:26:24 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They’re going to use this to find terrorists and violent criminals, right? This isn’t going to harass Tea Party members and contributors to the Republican party, right? This won’t be turned against people who oppose gay ‘marriage’ right?

Dream on.


41 posted on 02/19/2014 9:28:19 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Who the HELL are the DHS to track anybody? Every bastard in that Organization needs a punch
to the face when they show up in local communities. And the Sherriff needs to do the punching!
42 posted on 02/19/2014 9:40:08 AM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: null and void; Responsibility2nd; All

Thanks for the ping; post. Thread BUMP!


43 posted on 02/19/2014 9:52:19 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Responsibility2nd

What do you have to hide anyway? It’s your patriotic duty to allow yourself to be tracked citizen!


44 posted on 02/19/2014 10:22:43 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is only a stopgap measure, to be sure, but if you want to gum up the works and make it harder for them to track you, get a license plate that’s hard to read.

A study by North Carolina State University entitled “Effects of License Plate Attributes on Automatic License Plate Recognition” (google it if you’re interested) found that the cameras had the easiest time reading plates whose numbers were grouped together and separately from letters; where stacked characters were not used; and where the color contrast between the numbers/letters and the background was the greatest (such as black letters on a white background).

The cameras were much less effective with plates featuring stacked characters, or ones where the numbers and letters were mixed together, or ones where the number/letter and background contrast wasn’t too great. For “improved” results, try to get characters that can easily be confused, i.e. B/8, E/3, I/1, etc.

Some states’ standard-issue plates meet some or all of these criteria; but if yours isn’t one of them, you can probably find a specialty plate that would address the contrast issue (e.g. one with white lettering on a yellow background), and maybe even the stacked-character issue; then you can get a personalized one like “B8E3I1” or something.


45 posted on 02/19/2014 10:24:38 AM PST by bus man (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: bus man

M4L


46 posted on 02/19/2014 10:27:06 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: Responsibility2nd

They have to track them down to offer them EBT cards.

Apparently the welfare ads in foreign langauges were not at successful as Obama had hoped.


47 posted on 02/19/2014 10:29:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Time to buy a couple of horses.


48 posted on 02/19/2014 10:44:55 AM PST by bgill
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To: Responsibility2nd

They surely already have that ability. They are just looking for authorization to use it openly against people.


49 posted on 02/19/2014 10:53:59 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: DesertRhino

I am sure it already keeps most potentially problematic Congressmen in line. Bohner and McConnell are likely intimately familiar with the NSA’s blackmail potential, and John Roberts, too.


50 posted on 02/19/2014 10:56:26 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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