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NJ to Wyoming: Butt Out of Our Gun Laws
Newser ^ | 2/18/14

Posted on 02/19/2014 11:33:26 AM PST by Impala64ssa

Star-Ledger slams legal meddling with concealed-carry law

New Jersey's biggest newspaper isn't happy about Wyoming's attempt to meddle in its gun laws. It seems Wyoming is leading a coalition of 19 states supporting a man's Supreme Court challenge to New Jersey's concealed-carry law, and the Star-Ledger think the least populated state in the union should "butt out." States "have broad powers to set gun policy, and in ours, a strong majority supports strict laws," the paper says in a blistering editorial, explaining that most people in the state don't want to worry that "the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat."

"Do they want us meddling in their gun laws?" the paper asks, noting that Wyoming's loose gun laws are a threat to New Jersey because they make it easy for criminals to bring guns east. Wyoming ranked 6th in gun deaths per capita in 2010, the paper says, concluding that "the problem isn’t our laws. It’s yours." Wyoming's governor, however, says his state is supporting the New Jersey man's challenge to the state's requirement for concealed-carry permit holders to prove a "justifiable need" because the case "impacts the right to keep and bear arms outside of the home," the AP reports.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; newjersey; wyoming
I could imagine how foolish the klan and others of their ilk sounded when they demanded "outsiders" to stop meddling in Alabama's affairs during the days of the Jim Crow laws.
1 posted on 02/19/2014 11:33:26 AM PST by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa
"Do they want us meddling in their gun laws?"

You do that every time you support stricter gun control laws at the federal level.
2 posted on 02/19/2014 11:35:14 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Where do I donate to the man’s lawsuit?


3 posted on 02/19/2014 11:37:24 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Turnabout is fair play, New Jersey.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 11:37:41 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: andyk

“don’t want to worry that “the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat.””

Perhaps they should survey that couple that was car jacked at some mall there before Christmas.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 11:39:15 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: andyk

Mark Kelly does that every time he comes to MY STATE and says that I can’t have the same rights he has and USES back in Arizona.
The Colorado state legislator is entirely run by groups from back east and New Jersey need to STFU.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 11:39:25 AM PST by thorvaldr
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To: Impala64ssa
This reads like satire. If it is true however, then the reply to this quote "the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat" should be a resounding yes. A armed society is a polite society.
7 posted on 02/19/2014 11:39:45 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Impala64ssa
"Do they want us meddling in their gun laws?" the paper asks, noting that Wyoming's loose gun laws are a threat to New Jersey because they make it easy for criminals to bring guns east.

Yeah...I'm SO sure that criminals in NJ have to go all the way to freaking WYOMING to get their hands on guns. Solid logic, that.

8 posted on 02/19/2014 11:42:24 AM PST by Constitution Day (Endeavor To Persevere)
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To: andyk

As I recall, NJ is part of Bloomberg’s anti-gun group meddling in other states gun laws. So, STFU NJ.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 11:42:34 AM PST by falcon99
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To: Impala64ssa
States "have broad powers to set gun policy, and in ours, a strong majority supports strict laws,"

Not according to the constitution. "...Shall not be infringed."

10 posted on 02/19/2014 11:47:38 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Mouton
“don’t want to worry that “the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat.”

An armed society is a polite society. :)
11 posted on 02/19/2014 11:49:01 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: thorvaldr

The Star Ledger reads like the Daily Worker,it is the Democrats paper of record, it is a FAR left libral rag that looses millions every year and has been on life support for years, the sooner it dies the better.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 11:50:46 AM PST by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Constitution Day

I lived in that state for awhile. Get this, you need a permit to purchase a pistol. The purchase has to be “approved” by the local chief of police. I wanted to buy a model 66, still have it after 40 years. Chief of some small municipality starts grilling me about why I think I need such a “powerful” gun. After a few seconds of that BS I said to him I carry a model 19 issued by the US Treasury so are you going to ask about that too? He said he would “reluctantly” grant the permit. I was so happy to leave that crap hole state.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 11:50:59 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Impala64ssa

If they get into potentially lethal fights over parking spaces, they shouldn’t even be packing a can of hairspray...


14 posted on 02/19/2014 11:53:59 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Impala64ssa

This involves an interpretation of the Second Amendment. Of course other states and individuals from those states should get involved.


15 posted on 02/19/2014 12:00:26 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Mouton
I lived in that state for awhile. Get this, you need a permit to purchase a pistol

Here in NJ obtaining a shotgun or hunting rifle is usually not a big problem.

A pistol for even just home use is damn near impossible.

There are more than several police chiefs who will use improbable excuses to delay or deny a permit.

Had buddy wait over eighteen months to get one. That only happened when he went over the chief's head.

16 posted on 02/19/2014 12:01:24 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Texan5
If they get into potentially lethal fights over parking spaces, they shouldn’t even be packing a can of hairspray...

People get into lethal fights over music volume in Florida and fender benders in Houston, why should parking spaces be any different?

17 posted on 02/19/2014 12:02:41 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Starstruck
This involves an interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Wouldn't it be a 10th Amendment matter?

18 posted on 02/19/2014 12:03:53 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Impala64ssa

Wyoming to New Jersey: keep your commie hands off our second amendment!!!


19 posted on 02/19/2014 12:06:52 PM PST by ontap
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To: Impala64ssa

NJ needs to move away from the bad influences of NYC and Philadelphia.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 12:07:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Impala64ssa; All
States "have broad powers to set gun policy, ...

Given that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had decided to not make the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, yes, the states originally did have broad powers to set gun policy.

However ...

Note that John Bingham, the main author of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, had included the 2nd Amendment when he read the Bill of Rights to the HoR as the main example of constitutional privileges and immunities which the states obligated themselves to respect when they ratified the 14th Amendment. Note the 2nd Amendment roughly in the middle of the middle column of the page in the congressional record which shows this discussion at the following link.

Appendix To The Congressional Globe

So the institutionally indoctrinated staff member at the Star-Ledger who wrote the article is wrong about the states still having broad powers to set gun policy.

21 posted on 02/19/2014 12:07:40 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: The KG9 Kid

The Nation’s Toilet responds to what is probably the freest state in the union. The Star Ledger needs to tend to all the corruption in New Jersey, like the fact that the Black Mayor of Trenton (The Bottom of The Nation’s Toilet), Tony Mack, refuses to leave his post despite being found guilty of Federal Corruption charges.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 12:12:39 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Impala64ssa
most people in the state don't want to worry that "the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat."

Dragging out the same old tired and disproved arguments that people with guns are just itching to pull them out and blast away over practically anything. But maybe the people from NJ would be such creeps if they did have to worry.

23 posted on 02/19/2014 12:13:35 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Wouldn't it be a 10th Amendment matter?

My interpretation of the 10th is that states have final word on things not covered in the constitution which the Second is. Could states ban free speech?

24 posted on 02/19/2014 12:14:05 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: DoodleDawg

I can-almost-understand a fender bender in rush hour traffic on a steaming August day holding the possibility of a beatdown-I was once the hitee in such a mishap, and I did dearly want to deck the idiot who was talking on his phone when he hit me, but I digress-

Just let me say that anyone who gets their thong in such a twist over predictable annoyances-music, parking, careless drivers, or whatever-should not even be packing that can of hairspray...


25 posted on 02/19/2014 12:14:39 PM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: DoodleDawg
In theory, a Constitutional guarantee trumps a contrary state statute every time.

In practice, it's a total fustercluck.

26 posted on 02/19/2014 12:16:42 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Texan5
Just let me say that anyone who gets their thong in such a twist over predictable annoyances-music, parking, careless drivers, or whatever-should not even be packing that can of hairspray...

I don't disagree. But what people should do and what they actually do is often not the same.

27 posted on 02/19/2014 12:17:41 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: The KG9 Kid

What piqued my curiosity is the headline. Since when did the liberal rag called the Newark Star Ledger become the spokesperson for New Jersey? Can you say hubris?


28 posted on 02/19/2014 12:23:39 PM PST by mort56
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To: DoodleDawg

And that is just human nature-there is no way to second guess it-but a few lessons in basic manners from parents to kids might cut down on the carnage later down the road.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 12:25:23 PM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Starstruck
My interpretation of the 10th is that states have final word on things not covered in the constitution which the Second is. Could states ban free speech?

But free speech is not an absolute right. Witness the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" and various "fighting word" restrictions.

Second Amendment rights are not absolute either. Some states restrict gun ownership by felons. Others do not. Some states deny concealed carry holders the right to take their weapon into jails or courtrooms. Others do not. Those kind of restrictions have not been found unconstitutional and I think those kinds of things should be a matter for the state to decide. The Supreme Court seemes to agree since in the Heller decision they basically said that state and local restrictions were not in and of themselves unconstitutional, just outright bans on gun ownership. So what New Jersey does in New Jersey's business. What Wyoming does is their own business as well.

30 posted on 02/19/2014 12:28:49 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: thorvaldr

I just read that MagPul, the ammunition magazine manufacturer is leaving Colorado and relocating in Wyoming.

I wish all firearms manufacturers would leave states that do not fully support the Second Amendment.


31 posted on 02/19/2014 12:29:54 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Impala64ssa
If you're getting into fights over parking spaces you
shouldn't be driving or have a driver's license.
32 posted on 02/19/2014 12:37:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Had buddy wait over eighteen months to get one. That only happened when he went over the chief’s head.

I see it has gotten worse!


33 posted on 02/19/2014 12:38:20 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Impala64ssa

FUNJ!!
Sincerely,
One of your residents


34 posted on 02/19/2014 12:39:24 PM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: DoodleDawg
Good grief! Not that old canard again. The saying is "you can't falsely (ie commit fraud, incite panic etc.) shout fire in a crowded theater. Similarly you can't hold up a liquor store with a gun. Neither situation has any bearing on your right to free speech or your right to keep and bear arms.

The Second Amendment and Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theatre

I thought that straw man had been put to bed on FR.

35 posted on 02/19/2014 12:49:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Second Amendment rights are not absolute either.

But isn't the question here whether or not the 2nd includes bearing arms outside the house. If this is a right per the 2nd then States can't say that right in itself is banned. We all have a stake in the outcome of this ruling so telling everyone else to butt out doesn't wash.

36 posted on 02/19/2014 12:50:59 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Tenacious 1
States "have broad powers to set gun policy, and in ours, a strong majority supports strict laws,"

Let's try this revision: States "have broad powers to set marriage policy, and in ours, a strong majority does not support gay marriage and the state does not recognize same sex marriages from other states".

Want to bet on whether a court will overturn that law?

37 posted on 02/19/2014 1:01:41 PM PST by par4
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To: Impala64ssa
most people in the state don't want to worry that "the guy they’re fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat."

They don't want their governor shutting bridges down either...but what the hell!!

38 posted on 02/19/2014 1:28:50 PM PST by ontap
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To: Impala64ssa
Second Amendment rights are not absolute either.

Second amendment rights are absolutely...absolute...it's squishy ass politicians willing to support the constitution that isn't absolute!!!

39 posted on 02/19/2014 1:31:33 PM PST by ontap
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To: Paladin2
NJ needs to move away from the bad influences of NYC and Philadelphia.

It is actually pretty easy to get a License to Carry Firearms in Philly as long as you've kept your nose clean and paid your parking tickets. 32 years with PA licenses, 6 of them Philly. Surprisingly, according to that NJ punk, no competitive parkers have been harmed. Never had to draw from a holster or a pocket and the weapons never drew themselves. Hate going to Jersey. I feel naked.

40 posted on 02/19/2014 1:48:57 PM PST by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Turnabout is fair play, New Jersey.

DAMN RIGHT!
41 posted on 02/19/2014 1:50:53 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Impala64ssa

The liberals of New Jersey seek national banning of guns so maybe NJ needs get bent.


42 posted on 02/19/2014 1:55:56 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad
The liberals of New Jersey seek national banning of guns so maybe NJ needs get bent.

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr.

43 posted on 02/19/2014 2:26:03 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Impala64ssa
States "have broad powers to set gun policy . . ."

True. States should have broad powers to set gun policy, so long as the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not infringed. So long as they do not infringe through restrictions on the types of weapons owned or carried, how much ammunition can be loaded, owned, or carried, or where on public property a person can carry, it's okay to set gun policy state by state.

44 posted on 02/19/2014 3:22:26 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Mouton

In NJ, you need a permit merely to handle a gun. No joke.

Also applies to BB guns and sling shots. Again, no joke.


45 posted on 02/19/2014 3:25:18 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mouton

I finally found an M&P Shield .40 yesterday, new in box, on the shelf. Handed the man my driver’s license, my CCP, and my MasterCard, filled out a couple of sales forms, and ten minutes later I was down the road with my new pistol. As it should be everywhere.


46 posted on 02/19/2014 5:14:27 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Paladin2
You need to know what you are talking about before you blather on.

Philadelphia is in Pennsylvania, which is a shall issue state. Pennsylvania has strong preemption laws. That means Philadelphia can not create their own gun laws.

a concealed carry permit in Pennsylvania is $19.95, is good for five years, and if you have no criminal record, the county sheriff has to issue you one.

Open carry is completely legal. There are no regulations against modern sporting rifles or magazine capacity.

47 posted on 02/19/2014 6:36:36 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

Couldn’t you afford another “l”?


48 posted on 02/19/2014 6:40:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: beelzepug

Did the same thing in Pa. in January when I bought my M&P Shield .40. $399.00 plus tax.


49 posted on 02/19/2014 6:45:29 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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