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Who are the real thugs? (White guys with guns are the real thugs, says the author)
The Politico ^ | February 19, 2014 | Roger Simon

Posted on 02/19/2014 1:51:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s play a game. It’s called: “Who’s the Thug?”

It’s the day after Thanksgiving 2012, and four teenagers are sitting in a Dodge Durango outside a convenience store in Jacksonville, Fla.

The Durango is red, which is unimportant. The teenagers are black, which is important.

The teenagers are planning to try to pick up some girls later in the evening and have stopped for some gum — “so our breath would smell good,” one will later testify — and cigarettes. The teenagers are playing loud music in the Durango.

A car pulls up next to the Durango, parking very close to it. Inside is Michael Dunn, 45, a software developer, and his fiancée. Both are white. Dunn’s fiancée goes into the store while Dunn waits in the car.

The couple are coming from the wedding of Dunn’s son. They have Dunn’s 7-month-old dog with them. Dunn had two drinks at the wedding but is not “buzzed,” he will later say. He describes his mood as happy.

But the loud, throbbing music from the Durango upsets him. It is rattling his rearview mirror, he will later claim. The music, he will say, is “ridiculously, obnoxiously loud thug music” and “rap crap.”

Dunn does not change parking spaces or go inside the store to join his fiancée and escape the noise. Instead, he rolls down his window and asks the teenagers to turn down the music. “They shut it off, and I was like, ‘Thank you,’” Dunn later tells police....

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; blacks; crime; florida; michaeldunn; trayvon; whites; zimmerman
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Not one mention of Trayvon beating George's head into the pavement or the widespread knockout game.
1 posted on 02/19/2014 1:51:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites, but the statistics are nebulous because sometimes they are classified as white, so it could be far higher.

The best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percent of the population that is black and Hispanic. Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery. Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.

2 posted on 02/19/2014 1:56:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The white guys with the guns are going to be the people who drag your a$$ out of the line of fire, defend you and feed you as long as they are able to do so - when the SHTF - and it will.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 1:57:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh. I don’t know why this didn’t occur to me.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 1:59:19 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, buttmunch: shooting a thug does not make you a thug. It makes you a thug exterminator.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 2:00:20 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dunn is a murderer and should go to prison for life. That being said, no one EVER was shot over Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, et.al, and those bands played LOUD music, too. Shows you how far we’ve fallen....


6 posted on 02/19/2014 2:02:43 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would be nice to hear from 1 of the 3 who voted for acquittal on that charge.

We heard from 1 or the 9 who voted guilty this morning.


7 posted on 02/19/2014 2:02:47 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

White Liberals with a smug attitude are the worst thugs, they keep minorities on the plantation with their NPR voices and their plastic bananna platitudes, they are such great thugs no one realizes they are enguaged in thuggery most of the time...

They steal everyone’s future for promise of a brighter next day that never materializes, only the excuses for it not being there tomorrow do.


8 posted on 02/19/2014 2:03:23 PM PST by GraceG
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To: dsc
Hey, buttmunch: shooting a thug does not make you a thug. It makes you a thug exterminator.

Are you including Michael Dunn in that assessment?

9 posted on 02/19/2014 2:03:23 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess a deafening high decibel intrusion on every’s ears around them is nothing. And threatening to kill someone is nothing. No, it’s only something when a white person responds.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 2:04:23 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let’s play a game. It’s called: “Who’s the Thug?”

In the "Jouronalistic" Comments business, Roger?

You win, you are!

11 posted on 02/19/2014 2:04:57 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: elkfersupper

“Police will find no shotgun or any other gun in the Durango or in the vicinity.”

Define “vicinity”.

The kids drove away, for who knows how far.

Even in my relatively tame area, I vacate the area of thugs with thumping rap.

To engage them with any requests for quiet is insane.

Maryland does not allow me to carry a gun.

They seem to be frequently exempt from that law.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:49 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very prejudicially written article. I don’t think Dunn was right in escalating the situation. He was not physically threatened by the music. I agree that SYG was not an issue here. I do think it a strong likelihood that the teens had a gun, but if so, why didn’t they defend themselves? The jury was right to convict. P.S. I’m white.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 2:06:06 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If blacks are thugs and whites are thugs we just need to separate.


14 posted on 02/19/2014 2:06:45 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: GraceG

Well put.


15 posted on 02/19/2014 2:06:47 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

The real crime here is conflating Michael Dunn with George Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman might want to look at suing Mr. Simon.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 2:08:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Altura Ct.

Which is exactly why John Wilkes Booth shot President Lincoln.


17 posted on 02/19/2014 2:09:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Corrected headline: Who are the real thugs enemies of socialism? (White guys with guns are the real thugs enemies, says the author)
18 posted on 02/19/2014 2:10:43 PM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

White is always guilty, even if confronting feral savages.


19 posted on 02/19/2014 2:17:05 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But who are the real thugs? The unarmed black kids who play loud music or walk to stores to buy Skittles? Or the white guys who are armed to the teeth and quick on the trigger?

If he has to ask the question, he will neither understand nor accept any answer.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 2:18:50 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If white guys are thugs then just how stupid are the racists and liberals for screwing with them?


21 posted on 02/19/2014 2:23:16 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is loud music a violation of any kind that police could be called?


22 posted on 02/19/2014 2:23:35 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why do these savages play their rap crap so loud? Not because they like it. Because it creates a space around them that they own and dominate. It broadcasts to the world around them that they are there.

Similar savages aren’t bothered by it. Only normal people are annoyed by it, and that is intentional.

So normal people should stay out of the savage sphere of noise. Complaining to savages does no good, in fact it makes them happy to know that it’s disturbing normal people.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 2:27:48 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Geez... they got the outcome they wanted in this case (and I agree with it)

Trayvon was a thug who got what he deserved.

This 4 kids are rude AT MINIMUM but thugs? I dont know. But they didnt deserve to have some guy come out shooting at them.

I think he got pissed, knew he had a gun, and so decided he had enough... NOT a good attitude to have as a gun owner.

Shooting at a fleeing car is NOT self-defense


24 posted on 02/19/2014 2:28:53 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Young black men: 3% of the population. 50% of the murder.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 2:47:27 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Mr. K

You have it right all the way. Zimmerman was defending his life when he shot someone. The four kids in the car were guilty of bad manners.


26 posted on 02/19/2014 2:55:09 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Real Cynic No More; Frank_2001; Mr. K; 2ndDivisionVet; All

Here are pertinent facts or quotes from the continuation of the article. In additon, someone turned the radio off, but one of the kids demanded he turn it back on.
Dunn fires four shots into the Durango. The Durango pulls away. Dunn gets out of his car and aims again at the teenagers’ vehicle. “I was still scared and so I shot four more times … trying to keep their heads down to not catch any return fire. And that was it,” Dunn says later.
Police will find no shotgun or any other gun in the Durango or in the vicinity. No witness sees any shotgun or any other weapons in the Durango. When Dunn’s fiancée returns to the car, Dunn mentions the shooting but does not mention any shotgun.
The couple drive 40 miles to a bed and breakfast and relax. They order a pizza, they drink some wine and Dunn walks his dog. He learns from a report on TV that one of the teenagers in the Durango has died. He does not call police.
The next day, he and his fiancée drive 130 miles to his home in South Patrick Shores. Dunn says he “was waiting till we get around people we know” and he wanted to ensure “our dog and everybody were where they needed to be.” A witness to the shooting had called police with Dunn’s license plate number, and Dunn is arrested.
The jury undoubtedly reacted to the total disrespect for the law evidenced by this guys overall attitude. Hey, I just shot 8 times at people, let’s go to a B&B, relax, have some wine and pizza. Oh, someone died, oh well, let’s go home where it’s safe and then, maybe, call police.
I wonder if he was arrested on the way home, or how many hours he was home before arrested, and did he even have sense enough to call a lawyer to go in with him? On that jury how would you have voted?


27 posted on 02/19/2014 3:10:19 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And I suppose that makes the crack-smokin’ hoodie-wearin’ “knockout ‘game’” players noble savages?


28 posted on 02/19/2014 3:40:36 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Salamander

When I lived in Monkey County and worked in Anacostia I carried. ;)


29 posted on 02/19/2014 3:43:33 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: WashingtonSource

Tell you what. I’ll drive the author to EITHER Detroit or Beverly Hills at night and let him out to walk. I wonder which one he will choose...hmmm


30 posted on 02/19/2014 3:53:07 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: I want the USA back

Open your windows, crank up the volume and put on any loud classical music like the 1812 Overture with cannons.

Gets them quiet every time.


31 posted on 02/19/2014 4:00:56 PM PST by rollin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One bad white guy.

THOUSANDS of bad black guys.

Who is the thug? I choose... the color black.

32 posted on 02/19/2014 4:06:25 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: All

Some people refuse to victims and some don’t want to bullied and feel threatened and are tired of being afraid. This guy, along with a lot of other people are dissatisfied with the direction that our society is taking and the everyday lack of common courtesy, people acting as if their actions don’t have any consequences.
Sure, it was “music” but it represented more than that. I expect to see more of these incidents as we go deeper into the clogged toilet that is Obama’s America.

What if the shooter was a black female and she felt threatened by a car filled with white boys making lewd comments? Would she be justified in shooting it up?


33 posted on 02/19/2014 4:09:57 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: gleeaikin
Oh, someone died, oh well, let’s go home where it’s safe and then, maybe, call police.

Thou shall not impersonate a kennedy.

34 posted on 02/19/2014 4:17:28 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article was written by Roger Simon.

Roger Simon is a worthless piece of human garbage.

Therefore, it is logical to conclude that this article I s not worth reading.


35 posted on 02/19/2014 4:51:14 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You’re lucky.

Did you see where some poor tourist got hammered for having an empty shell?


36 posted on 02/19/2014 5:01:10 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander

Yeah, crazy stupid. But I was there working corrections during the height of the crack shootouts so I didn’t care.

55 people were shot and killed within 10 blocks of the facility I supervised in 1 year.

My little 2 1/2” Smith Model 19 was a good companion.


37 posted on 02/19/2014 5:31:53 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: I want the USA back

My response to the window rattling thumpa-thumpa mobile rap emitter is to encourage them to crank it ever higher. I already have hearing loss from time spent on the range and working the pyro board at metal concerts, so I will gleefully egg them on. It seems to amuse them to have an old bald white guy grinning maniacally and gesturing for “MORE dbs”. On one memorable occasion outside a Fiesta Food store in west Houston I managed to goad a carful of urban utes into blowing their subwoofer. I gave them a chagrined look when the telltale buzz started, and I laughed all the way home.


38 posted on 02/19/2014 5:34:13 PM PST by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I pulled up next to a SUV loaded w/teens or if they pulled up next
to me with their music blasting I would either tolerate it for a short
time or move. In the case of Dunn I believe that he might have
thought that access to his handgun provided him with enough extra
balls to risk angering a carload of young black males. Not smart
at the very least IMO.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 6:02:12 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad

Yes, which has nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin case.


40 posted on 02/19/2014 6:11:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, I agree. For one thing Zimmerman was protecting his
neighborhood which was his neighborhood watch duty. Dunn
was in a store parking lot as were the teens. No question the
teens had a right to be there as did Dunn.


41 posted on 02/19/2014 6:24:28 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Most will agree the loud stupid music is way over the top.


42 posted on 02/19/2014 6:39:51 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Carry me back

It doesn’t rate capitol punishment, however?


43 posted on 02/19/2014 6:40:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You’re one of the few who could’ve actually gotten a carry permit.

My dad was corrections for decades.

He went to work every night with a Ruger .44 mag on his hip.


44 posted on 02/19/2014 7:03:06 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: metalurgist

Oh damn.


45 posted on 02/19/2014 7:24:27 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: gleeaikin

I read the entire article before making my post. I would have voted guilty.


46 posted on 02/19/2014 7:38:58 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Government shutdown unleashes racism - Roger Simon

47 posted on 02/19/2014 7:40:47 PM PST by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree. Trying to compare this with the Zimmerman case is a non-starter in my book. Zimmerman was attacked and had the wounds to prove it. Dunn was not, and went about his normal business as if nothing had happened. From my perspective, Dunn is guilty, and Zimmerman was not.


48 posted on 02/19/2014 7:42:51 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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By ROGER SIMON | 10/14/13 2:47 PM

Question: If Ted Cruz and John Boehner were both on a sinking ship, who would be saved?

Harsh? Look around you at what is happening to America and you will see harsh. I am not talking about closed parks and monuments. I am talking about the funds cut to nearly 9 million mothers and young children for food, breastfeeding support and infant formula.

That is harsh. Making a war against babies is harsh. And for what? Because Cruz, Republican senator from Texas, has grown so drunk on the sound of his own voice and so besotted with illusions of his own grandeur that he believes halting government today will propel him into the White House tomorrow?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-racism-roger-simon-98272.html#ixzz2tpY6g7H0


49 posted on 02/19/2014 7:45:41 PM PST by kcvl
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To: gleeaikin
Hey, I just shot 8 times at people, let’s go to a B&B, relax, have some wine and pizza. Oh, someone died, oh well, let’s go home where it’s safe and then, maybe, call police. I wonder if he was arrested on the way home, or how many hours he was home before arrested, and did he even have sense enough to call a lawyer to go in with him? On that jury how would you have voted?

He must've seen too many History Channel and PBS documentaries about the Kennedy Klan.

50 posted on 02/20/2014 9:12:33 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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