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Audi Says Synthetic 'E-Fuel' From Microorganisms Is Better Than Gas Or Diesel
forbes ^ | 1/31/2014 @ 11:58PM | Matthew de Paula,

Posted on 02/19/2014 2:00:54 PM PST by ckilmer

Hydrogen and natural gas are among the alternative fuels starting to get more attention as car companies work to reduce emissions. But Audi is exploring yet another option that you may not have heard much about yet: e-fuels.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Germany
KEYWORDS: audi; biodiesel; biofuel; ethanol; germany; joule; opec; volkswagen
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The next step is to refine the production process to create large quantities of synthetic “e-ethanol” and “e-diesel” for use in cars.

Audi says e-fuel is superior because of its purity. Unlike fossil fuels, which vary in composition depending on their place of origin, synthetic fuels contain no olefins or aromatic hydrocarbons. This optimizes combustion and results in fewer emissions.

Audi has been producing e-fuels at a research facility in Hobbs, New Mexico, through a partnership with Joule, a firm that specializes in developing synthetic fuels with solar energy. At the facility, genetically engineered photosynthetic microorganisms are kept in water (which could be brackish, salt or wastewater). They metabolize carbon dioxide after being exposed to sunlight and produce fuel as a byproduct. Audi tested its new synthetic "e-fuel" in an engine with a small glass window so that engineers could observe the combustion process. (Credit: Audi)

Audi tested its new synthetic “e-fuel” in an engine with a small glass window so that engineers could observe the combustion process. (Credit: Audi)

The e-fuel tests, conducted at Audi’s research and development facility in Ingolstadt, Germany, focused on the combustion process.

One test simulated conditions inside an engine using a pressure chamber, and a camera recorded how the synthetic fuel behaved. Another test used an engine with a small quartz glass window so engineers could see how the synthetic fuel interacted with the airflow in the combustion chamber.

“We now know that our e-fuels are the same as or even better than conventional fuels,” Reiner Mangold, head of sustainable product development at Audi, said in a report that the company published.

Mangold said the tests also demonstrate that electric power is not the only option for making cars more environmentally friendly. “There are other concepts that permit long-distance, low-emission driving,” he said. (Aston Martin, which is exploring the use of hydrogen power in its cars, makes a similar point here.)

Audi did not offer any estimate as to when synthetic fuel might be ready for sale to consumers.

Joule says on its website that the method it uses for creating synthetic fuels is better than other methods that use agricultural or algal biomass, such as corn or fibers from plants, because no arable land, fresh water or crops are required.

Once the technology is fully commercialized, Joule aims to produce 25,000 gallons of synthetic ethanol and 15,000 gallons of synthetic diesel per acre annually, for as little as $1.28 per gallon and $50 barrel, excluding subsidies.

1 posted on 02/19/2014 2:00:54 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: thackney

fyi

Once the technology is fully commercialized, Joule aims to produce 25,000 gallons of synthetic ethanol and 15,000 gallons of synthetic diesel per acre annually, for as little as $1.28 per gallon and $50 barrel, excluding subsidies.


2 posted on 02/19/2014 2:01:39 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

I’m having a hard time believing that much from a single acre, annually.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 2:04:23 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ckilmer

Remember to add in the taxes.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:04 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: ckilmer

for more information do this google search
https://www.google.com/#q=Audi+is+doing+with+synthetic+fuel


5 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:11 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

$1.28 per gallon. That’s before taxes.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:16 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: ckilmer

What sounds familiar

German
Hydrogen

think the Hindenburg


7 posted on 02/19/2014 2:05:50 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ckilmer

If I had a garage for the machine to sit in, I could collect used vegetable cooking oil from 2 or 3 restaurants and use it to power my diesel car, after processing it, at a cost of about eighty cents a gallon.


8 posted on 02/19/2014 2:06:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ckilmer

Ethanol is not a very good motor fuel as it is not energy dense. Compared to gasoline ethanol has about 40% less energy by volume. This means fewer miles per gallon and less range on a tank of fuel. The synthetic ethanol would have to be very cheap to make the cost per mile comparable to using gasoline in a vehicle that gets 30-40 mpg.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 2:08:20 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All I know is we bought a Audi Q7 and its the best built car we ever had.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 2:09:19 PM PST by scooby321
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To: F15Eagle

There are some forms of algae that are virtually ALL oil, and make exceptionally good biodiesel feedstocks. The problem is they require a bunch of energy to grow. So there’s a real opportunity to develop the “factory” that uses natural energy inputs (e.g. sunlight), doesn’t require tending, and can utilize otherwise wasted space. As an example, one outfit was looking at something similar to a garbage bag with one transparent side, that would be laid in shallow rows in the desert. Engineers have solved bigger problems in the past, and e-fuels are another case where the right organism and the right kind of factory will be needed.


11 posted on 02/19/2014 2:09:31 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: F15Eagle

The company that’s doing the work for audi is Joule Unlimited. They’re an MIT company with a research facility in New Mexico. The company has won a bunch of awards.
They have bioengineered bacteria to excrete diesal fuel—so there’s no refining involved. The bacteria excrete the diesal and it goes straight to the fuel tank. That’s why the cost is so cheap. Here’s more reasearch on them.
https://www.google.com/#q=joule+unlimited


12 posted on 02/19/2014 2:09:52 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: F15Eagle

I’m having a hard time believing that much from a single acre, annually.

and

I’m having a hard time believing that CHEAP................$1.28 per gallon? Really?

If that were so, startup money would be flowing like water from Niagara Falls..............


13 posted on 02/19/2014 2:10:13 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: The Great RJ; 2ndDivisionVet

What Joule Unlimited is producing is a drop in fuel. They can tune their bacteria to make any kind of fuel they want. The bacteria excrete the fuel and they skim it off. At that point its ready to go in the gas tank. No refining necessary. They don’t have to kill the bacteria. The bacteria just go right on excreting biodiesal, jetfuel, ethanol or whatever they have bioengineered the bacteria to produce.


14 posted on 02/19/2014 2:14:19 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

25,000 gallons a year, per Acre...........

How many cars for 1 year, per Acre.........would depend on how you drive. 12,000 miles per year, @ 25 MPG, 480 Gallons per year = 1 Car....= 1 ACRE could power 52 Cars per year.

Someone know how man cars in the USA, we could see if we had enough land.........LOL


15 posted on 02/19/2014 2:15:24 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: 4Speed
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-Driven.php lists the total distance driven in the US is just short of 3 trillion miles. That would be 4.8 million acres at 25 mpg or a little less than a fifth of Ohio.
16 posted on 02/19/2014 2:23:48 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: scooby321

How would you compare it to a honda?

I have been eyeing an Audi Q7 but I feel a sincere sense of loyalty to Honda for the last 4 absolutely trouble-free cars I have gotten from them


17 posted on 02/19/2014 2:24:23 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: ckilmer

Let a thousand flowers bloom. A different fuel station on each corner.


18 posted on 02/19/2014 2:24:38 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: ckilmer
So the real question is whether it is going to used to profit and improve peoples lives or for control of peoples lives for the benefit of tyrannical powers?
19 posted on 02/19/2014 2:34:06 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Red Badger; bigbob

Joule Unlimited has bioengineer bacteria — not algae— to produce whatever kind of fuel they want. The first generation was ethanol. They have recently been producing biodiesel. I think they have done test bacteria for jet fuel and gasoline.

The really unique thing about their process is that they don’t need to refine the biofuel. It can be skimmed right off and dropped into the fuel tank. Thats what makes it so inexpensive.

The guys who developed the bacteria to do this are some of the top geneticists at MIT.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 2:41:20 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Joule Unlimited

Is the company publically traded?


21 posted on 02/19/2014 2:43:47 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bookmark


22 posted on 02/19/2014 2:44:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: right way right

imho more energy independence and cheaper energy prices = less tyranny.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 2:45:52 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: KarlInOhio
That would be 4.8 million acres at 25 mpg or a little less than a fifth of Ohio.

Just the Gulf of Mexico has 384 million acres. Microbes containing oil probably float, and there's plenty of free farm fertilizer runoff. The final replacement for petroleum will probably involve the open ocean because that's where all the energy in petroleum originally came from.

24 posted on 02/19/2014 2:51:41 PM PST by Reeses
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To: KarlInOhio
Detroit would be a good place to build an e-fuel 'farm'. How many acres are vacant now? A win-win. Detroit could be useful again, the city could start receiving tax revenue from the 'farm' and the 'Big Three' ('Tre Grandi' for Chrysler/Fiat) could test such fuels in their new vehicles. Employment could rise in the 'hood and welfare drop.

Won't ever happen though. Detroit City is too addicted to government handouts, like the Province of Quebec, here in Canada. The powers that be that run such places would lose their power base, if their voters were freed of welfare. Kinda like Washington, District Cesspool!

25 posted on 02/19/2014 2:52:25 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: ckilmer
"$1.28 per gallon"

I'm down wid dat.

26 posted on 02/19/2014 3:02:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: The Great RJ
This means fewer miles per gallon....

I'd rather see the metric of fuel cost per each mile driven. Granted, this will vary from vehicle to vehicle, but match vehicle size/weight and just change out the fuel used, in order to generate the metric.

27 posted on 02/19/2014 3:02:49 PM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: 4Speed

The process does not require land, it requires a surface exposed to sunlight, which could be warehouse rooftops, vacant lots in urban areas (not Detroit, it is too cold for this process to work much of the year), or even floating islands in the Gulf of Mexico.

Or maybe the Everglades, if it could be assured that the system would be highly unlikely to rupture and spill hydrocarbons all over the environment.

How about repurposing brownfields or hazardous waste sites?


28 posted on 02/19/2014 3:24:09 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: Mr. K
I have been eyeing an Audi Q7 but I feel a sincere sense of loyalty to Honda for the last 4 absolutely trouble-free cars I have gotten from them.

My last five cars,listed chronologically,have been Japanese,Japanese,German,German,German.

The two Japanese cars were absolutely trouble free...not a single unscheduled service visit over 100K miles (combined).But then I fell in love with diesel which required a switch to Germany.A few problems with the German cars,annoying for sure but I got free loaners each time.

My experience,in short,is...the Japanese win for reliability,the Germans win for "fun" (among other things).

29 posted on 02/19/2014 3:36:43 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: Paladin2

yeah, me too. I even understand how they can get to that number — even if it is before taxes.

But it might get better with big volume. I’ve heard them say in years past that they think they can cut their costs in half when they scale up their volumes.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 3:43:47 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: 4Speed
Someone know how man cars in the USA, we could see if we had enough land....

This is this stuff of Huffers' dreams.

31 posted on 02/19/2014 3:44:16 PM PST by Rudder
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To: scooby321

Let’s fire up the Quattro...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ceykLZDKA


32 posted on 02/19/2014 3:47:07 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: alloysteel

As with solar energy, the best location is on the Equator at a high elevation with neglible cloud cover. That would be Quito, Ecuador. The economics would be several times better than Arizona.


33 posted on 02/19/2014 4:13:22 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Red Badger; F15Eagle

Ten years ago the researchers were guesstimating 10,000 gallons an acre. That was a very loose back of the envelope figure for a technology that was still in the lab phase and nowhere near commercialization. The order of magnitude is right.


34 posted on 02/19/2014 4:21:06 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Kennard

John Podesta is a director of Joule Unlimited.


35 posted on 02/19/2014 4:28:21 PM PST by Kennard
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To: ckilmer

Has PETA taken a position on this senseless slaughter of billions of innocent animals?


36 posted on 02/19/2014 4:40:51 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Kennard
Concerning the best location, here is an article that describes how insolation, sometimes referred to as irradiation, varies by latitude, elevation and climate.
37 posted on 02/19/2014 5:28:28 PM PST by Kennard
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To: ckilmer

Does anybody know what to look for if you are interested in investing in this product? TY


38 posted on 02/19/2014 5:33:58 PM PST by marmar ((Although, I may look different then you....my blood still runs..RED, WHITE, & BLUE. RETIRED USAF))
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To: ckilmer

Uhhhh. Haven’t we been told for generations that oil IS the result of micro-organisms??? Heaven forbid oil is a naturally occurring substance and renewable.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 6:58:17 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: marmar

I don’t think they’re a public company


40 posted on 02/19/2014 7:31:36 PM PST by ckilmer
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