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Posted on 02/19/2014 10:46:56 PM PST by cunning_fish
What's that old saying?
If you don't like the resources your nation is devoting to your snowboarding discipline, move to Russia?
Yeah, well, that's exactly what Vic Wild of White Salmon, Wash., did back in 2011 after he figured that parallel slalom snowboarding wasn't a high priority for the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Association. He obtained Russian citizenship upon marrying Russian girlfriend Alena Zavarzina in Siberia and then went to work representing a different kind of red, white and blue flag. While the U.S. focused on events like halfpipe and slopestyle, the Russians were much more serious about Alpine snowboard racing.
I told everybody in the Russian snowboard federation: If you guys take me, youll never regret it, Wild told the Wall Street Journal this week.
And it won't regret anything. Wild won the gold medal in the parallel giant slalom on Wednesday, an event that saw only one American entrant. Wild later celebrated with his wife Zavarzina, a fellow snowboarder who won bronze in the women's event, and draped himself in a Russian flag.
Wild's gold medal will certainly help Russian compete against the U.S. in the medal count, but American officials weren't decrying an opportunity lost on Wednesday.
At least not publicly:
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I think a South Korean also won gold playing for Russia
At least they are attracting accomplished people there, not freeloaders and gang-bangers.
there's some wnba type players that play for Russia too....
it doesn't mean anything anymore...
this creep snowboarder better not think he's coming back here to enjoy America anymore...I hope he gets booed and his family too....the US doesn not recognize duel citizenship so goodbye jerk...
Playing for another country is only justified if you fail to make the American team.
Germans look for German last names.
If it’s good, with a German last name, then it’s German.
Actually, the US does recognize dual citizenship. He forfeits it if he is naturalized in another country and intends to renounce citizenship at that time.
I was informed just the other day by a Canadian that they recognize duel citizenship but the USA does not....but no matter....just hope the jerk stays over there becuz to me having that flag over his shoulders was a total insult to this country....
“the US doesn not recognize duel citizenship so goodbye jerk...”
Actually, the US does. It pays when you have an immigration attorney friend and other friends with even 3 passports to one name.
But going back to playing for another country, sometimes it goes the other way. How many times has the US soccer team “poach” other hyphenated Americans overseas to play for the US?
case in point, Aron Johanson of Iceland who plays for the US team. He got blasted by the Icelandic media for picking the US instead of the country he grew up with. Meaning, he’s a real damn good player when your own country kills you in the media for not picking the local national team.
Adam Smith’s invisible hand at work.
I’m glad I’m not watching any of the Olympics because this really pisses me off royally...
So because of what this guy did, you have decided NONE of our athletes deserve to be watched or supported. Enjoy wallowing in your hatred and misery. Myself,,,I refuse to allow hatred to consume me to such a degree that I can’t even enjoy the olympics.
Either way, what does it matter? Whether he plays a silly sport for Russia or plays a silly sport for America, he is just playing a silly sport. He hasn't gone over and joined the Russian foreign legion, he hasn't smuggled national secrets to Russia, he hasn't renounced the US. All he did was play a silly game. I presume he played the silly game for Russia because that's the team that offered to take him on.
Either way, its just a game. I will NEVER understand why people take the Olympics so seriously. Sheesh.
And the reason why a Canadian would know more about US citizenship than, for instance, the US Department of State, which does have a website is.....?
just not into the hype...period...good grief....
okay...I’m wrong....I’m wrong...I’m wrong...
I chose not to watch after much of the US Olumpic team wanted to make so much of a statement around LGBT support. Hell with ‘em.
We are (officially) no longer in a Cold War as when I was growing up. Still, when I read that this expatriate/Gold Medalist DRAPED HIMSELF IN THE RUSSIAN FLAG, I was, shall we say, ‘disturbed’. I;d really have to be driven out by unbearable circumstance before I traded my American citizenship for that of Russsia. If I were faced with Zimmerman’s enforced pariah status, or Eric Snowden’s Big Mistake-Fugitive status, I may consider moving to, one of the Dakotas, Alaska, or Canada. I like seeing Putin make a bigger fool out of Obama than he does for himself, but I still dont trust that KGB man very much. I hear he has been ‘palling around’ with the mullahs of Iran, more than before.
No. I don’t think you are wrong.
How does the US “recognize dual citizenship”?
What does that mean?
it means we get to tax the crap out of him
My interest in snowboarding is probably less than I care about what Charles Manson had for lunch yesterday. And I don’t give a flying fig what Charles Manson had for lunch yesterday.
Ah, righteous dude...
The Russian teams are based on merit, not political correctness.
Whatever the faults of Vic Wild, wife Alena Zavarzina is Not Guilty!
Ah, Bronze vs. Gold... Win-win!
Boy, I'll say!
What does that mean?
It means that the US recognizes that a person can be a citizen of the US and also a citizen of another country at the same time. I have know many people who immigrated to the US, but retained citizenship in another country.
>>>It means that the US recognizes that a person can be a citizen of the US and also a citizen of another country at the same time. I have know many people who immigrated to the US, but retained citizenship in another country.<<<
AFAIK, some countries demand people to officially denounce their former citizenship (for example Germany). There is no such (at least formal) thing in both US and Russia.
Keeping both passports making it easy to travel (you don’t need to apply for visa etc.)
He lives in Russia and married a Russian girl, who is also an Olympian. They showed a video of their wedding in Russia.
The whole notion of any well-trained individual can become the *best* in the world in an event has become so marginalized.
Another reason to not support the 'lympics.
Did Costas get over his conjunctivitis? That had been the mostly exciting part of these spectacles thus far.
He’s not alone
American athletes representing other countries in Sochi
Yes, unfortunately, Costas finally did shake the conjunctivitis and make an appearance. Not a fan of Matt Lauer, who looks really ridiculous with that goatee, but it was better than listening to Costas, whom I despise mightily.
Costas is one of the main reasons I stopped watching the Olympics years ago. But, now, we have a DVR, so we can zip right through the garbage.
There are a number of US-born Jewish athletes that represent Israel too.
In lacrosse, half of Team Israel at this year’s World Championship’s are American Jews. There will also be a couple of American Jews on the US team too.
It’s silly to make blanket statements against Americans that end up on foreign teams; all circumstances are individual. He MARRIED the Russian girl and the article states that America didn’t really have a team in this discipline.
And it works both ways - look at how many dual citizenship soccer players from Europe and Mexico/South America who have played for the US national team in soccer, including a few on this year’s team, like the kid from Iceland and Jermaine Jones from Germany.
But the xenophobes on this site never bother checking that part out either . . .
If I had a brother who quit his country just to win a medal, he wouldn’t have to worry about talking to me anymore. Quit your country just to win a f..... medal. That guy is a tool.
Uhm, I’m not filled with hatred or Misery and I don’t care about the Olympics.
Funny how nobody mentions how he qualified to compete for Russia in the first place even though he was American-born. He's required to be a Russian citizen to compete for Russia, and he qualified for Russian citizenship by marrying a Russian. Was that unpatriotic of him, too?
Must really piss off the IRS, they cannot tax any Gold medals.
Its a different Russia now, and if it has to be done to compete more power to these athletes. I have no problem with it, actually I wish I could have done what he did.
Meh... The guy wanted to compete and it appears the USA had first dibs and declined. No one should fault him for seeking a team that would take him -and- he’s just proven he was a *very* capable competitor.
Another thing to consider is that the guy married a Russian national and presuming it was true love, I won’t fault him there either.
I could be wildly misconstruing, but there seems to be an element of the USA having *ownership* of some sort to this guy in addition to the guy choosing Russia over the US. That doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t think any country should *own* anyone. I believe that a country should attract citizens of their own free will, rather than claiming some sort of leash on a person.
There are a lot of advantages to being an American citizen (compared to other countries) that this guy will lose if he renounces his US citizenship (beyond the loving, kind, caring treatment afforded by the IRS, TSA, NSA and the rest of the alphabet-agencies). If he chooses to walk away from those advantages, I would think him a fool but that’s his decision.
But considering national “marketing” efforts to attract citizens who are for whatever reason considered a net-asset to the country, Russia offered the dude something the USA chose not to. What’s the USA currently trying to focus on to attract quality citizens? The net-loss of amnesty for unskilled mexican peasant’s fleeing some hell-hole existence to come suckle at the teat of the US taxpayer and forever vote dummycrat.
So, I won’t fault him for his choice given the circumstances. Opinions may vary.
What legal documentation from the US assesses this?
Eg does the US put dual citizenship on their passport? No.
How does the US “recognize” this, to use your term?
International eligibility in soccer is not necessarily based on citizenship, but rather on a ‘clear connection’ to a country a player wishes to represent. This usually means having a parent or grandparent born in that country, or residency for a period of time.
That’s how a player like Zlatan Ibrahimovic can represent Sweden.
I have no idea what documentation is required. The US Department of State has a website. You could look there. Or try Google.
All I know is that it happens, and I have known people with dual citizenship.
There isn’t any.
That’s the point.
The US does not “recognize” dual citizenship.
Your thinking is at significant variance with the official US Government position. Just paste this in your browser and see for yourself.
The page you linked to 100% supports what I am saying and my impression of dual nationality with respect to the US.
It recognizes that it exists.
There is no legal implication one way or the other.
This is due to the nature of US naturalization and countries of origin attitudes towards citizenship.
If a US citizen chooses to Actively gain foreign citizenship, he can lose his US citizenship.
To the extent that US law addresses dual nationality, it states it is not acceptable.
It never meant anything. International competition doesn’t say anything about a country, it’s just sport, fun and enjoyable, but come Monday the number of medals people from various countries won or did not win doesn’t change anything. We wouldn’t be a better place if he’d stayed and won his medal with an American flag on his jersey.
Alternately, but less likely, Wild looked at what is going on here, and our "slide downhill", and convinced himself that he would be no worse off in Russia, with support for what he does best (and with a beautiful wife at his side, no less!) Or maybe his wife convinced him, as others have suggested.
I do find it odd that parallel snowboarding gets no support in the US. Clearly, we could be good at it (esp. if Wild was still on the U.S. team!) Plus, I found it to be very entertaining to watch, with it's pitting of one competitor directly against another, in simultaneous / parallel "elimination" races on courses that clearly are NOT equal, but each competitor gets an opportunity on both courses.