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The Dark Side Of Solar Power
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 02/19/2014 | IBD Staff

Posted on 02/20/2014 4:57:12 AM PST by IBD editorial writer

Energy: What do you call an energy source that consumes vast tracks of open land and fries birds that cross its path? If you're the president, you call it "safe," "reliable," "green" and worthy of massive taxpayer subsidies.

That, at least, is the case with the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating Station that covers a vast area of desert outside Las Vegas and, thanks to the generous support of the Obama administration, has officially opened.

The plant points hundreds of thousands of mirrors at three towers to boil turbine-spinning water. But the heat rays aren't very friendly to the area's birds, including falcons, hawks, warblers and sparrows that have shown up dead near the towers.

One of the inconvenient truths that global warming fanatics and renewable energy purists try to ignore is that wind and solar energy are not so environmentally friendly. At least, not if you care about wildlife and land preservation.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; electricity; energy; globalwarming; ivanpah; renewableenergy; solar; solarpower

1 posted on 02/20/2014 4:57:12 AM PST by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer
RE :”One of the inconvenient truths that global warming fanatics and renewable energy purists try to ignore is that wind and solar energy are not so environmentally friendly. At least, not if you care about wildlife and land preservation.”

The part of Maryland where I live Howard county the Dems in charge are letting the builders destroy every bit of forest and open land they can buy at a frightening pace.

Opposing these projects at the county public hearings is futile, they are a formality. Builders spread the $$$ and our taxes go up and up.

To compensate the state imposed a rain tax on us supposedly to clean the bay polluted water that comes from neighborhood rain and snow runoff, whereas with open land it would sink into the ground.

Libs are all about taxes and control first.

2 posted on 02/20/2014 5:11:33 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

Democrats, liberals, progressives, or whatever label they use are really Authoritarians.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 5:32:07 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

How many dead birds does it take to provide “safe”, “re-lie-able”, “green” energy to an astounding 143,000 homes? As many as we need. Unintended consequences? Less birds means more bugs, mice/rodents etc. But hey, at least it’s “green”. And what is amoritization “numb”er on this solar barbecue?


4 posted on 02/20/2014 5:44:21 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

What about the impact of producing the solar panels in the first place?

Without massive government subsidies all “green” energy alternatives would never exist.

None of them, from ethanol in our gasoline to massive wind and solar “farms”. are viable in the marketplace on their own.


5 posted on 02/20/2014 5:46:58 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: IBD editorial writer

Good article, and testimony to the fact that the real power of solar energy would be found in individual households developing their own energy independence.

Instead, we have another example of centralized plants doling out electricity on the grid.

I think we’ll always need a grid, but the grid should be the backup and not the primary.


6 posted on 02/20/2014 5:50:54 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Do I understand this correctly? If an evil “HUNTER” mistakenly shoots an “endangered bird”, he is to carted away, locked up, and possibly exiled to the South Pole. However, IF an inch long bait fish may be merely threatened, then a billion dollar dam/water power project is halted before construction is even begun.
If a desert mouse is potentially to be harmed an irrigation project in arid California is stopped, while entire species of birds, including the Eagle, the very symbol of the United States, is continually chopped into kitty food by giant windmills that block the very horizon, but that is in a good cause.
Do I have it right? These horrendous side effects are to be of no concern to right minded guardians of the environment. Please tell me I have it wrong. (I don’t think so)


7 posted on 02/20/2014 5:51:55 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Iron Munro

“What about the impact of producing the solar panels in the first place?”

Just wanted to point out that these arent typical photovoltaic cells that directly convert light to electricity. These are just mirrors that bounce the light up on to a tower to boil water. Water turns to steam which drives steam turbines.

Not sure what the effeciency level of this method versus photovoltaic cells is... Regardless as you say the construction and material costs must be factored yet never are. Same as with the batteries in electric vehicles. A lot of strip mining goes in to producing the lead and nickle in those batteries...


8 posted on 02/20/2014 5:53:59 AM PST by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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9 posted on 02/20/2014 6:01:56 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Syntyr
Not sure what the effeciency level of this method versus photovoltaic cells is...

Probably higher.

10 posted on 02/20/2014 6:24:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

What is sad is that these huge heat sources actually attract birds during periods of cold weather, drawing them them them to their ultimate fiery demise.


11 posted on 02/20/2014 6:32:43 AM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: IBD editorial writer

Solar and windmills are icons of the envirowackos. They can’t abandon their precious symbols now.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 6:37:06 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: I want the USA back

Instead of a hammer and sickle, they cross a windmill and a solar panel.


13 posted on 02/20/2014 7:25:41 AM PST by Argus
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To: Argus

Birds...we don’t need no steeenkin’ birds!


14 posted on 02/20/2014 7:38:29 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: IBD editorial writer

This Rube Goldberg kludge suffers from the same disadvantage as every “green” energy source, no storage potential.

Fossil fuels have tremendous storage potential. Which is why they will remain the dominate power source for the foreseeable future. Sorry RATs.


15 posted on 02/20/2014 8:34:21 AM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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How much has China benefited on this project?

just curious.

Greens and manufacturers make a killing

all we’re missing is the Made in China stickers.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 9:06:40 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

What do you call an energy source that consumes vast tracks of open land and fries birds?.
I didn’t hear anything about that in any of his global warming speeches.


17 posted on 02/20/2014 9:22:51 AM PST by Vaduz
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The most disgusting part of this solar project near Las Vegas is that the sate of Nevada gave them millions in tax breaks......

and the power is being sold to Burbank, Calif with a 20 year contract.

WE use power here in Nevada, but we won’t get one lick of it.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 10:03:57 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Syntyr

These are just mirrors that bounce the light up on to a tower to boil water. Water turns to steam which drives steam turbines.”””

There is a severe water shortage in all of Nevada.

Harry Reid just got blocked in his efforts to PIPE water over 450 miles from eastern Nevada & western Utah to the Las Vegas area. Such a project was to cost over a million bucks a mile, and it would have turned about 6 counties in eastern Nevada into another dust bowl.


19 posted on 02/20/2014 10:08:28 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

You’ve got it right but for one thing. A designated creature need not be alive for a human to be charged with the crime against said creature.

Mere hint of the possession of, say an eagle or owl feather is sufficient for any sort game/wildlife warden to enter and search your home without a warrant. With an on the spot arrest and seizure of your property. You can plead that you found the eagle feather in the meadow all you want but to them you harassed, tortured, and or killed the poor creature for profit. Guilty, no other evidence is required and no defense is allowed. Instant felon with all that entails.

In the past on my off trail hikes I’ve frequently come across recent corpses of birds, often under power lines and along creeks and streams tangled in mono filament fishing line. In the distant past I might have picked up feathers or skulls and bones for the kids to take to science class and such. Never again.


20 posted on 02/20/2014 10:31:47 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Syntyr
This approach was touted by the Union of Concerned Scientists as far back as the late 1970's. Their diagrams back then were almost exactly like this Ivanpah installation. Looks like they got their dream come true.
21 posted on 02/20/2014 4:11:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Somebody is gonna make big bucks.
Build some wind turbines upstream.

You got dirt cheap shredded fried poultry!


22 posted on 02/20/2014 4:15:03 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: sickoflibs

Wind-power is just as bad. It’s huge, ugly and worse than the disease.


23 posted on 02/21/2014 3:44:37 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

I think you understand it right. You personally better not mess with a protected species,but with a gov’t. subsidized “green energy” project,it seems to be perfectly acceptable. There is a double standard at work here. Laws can be overlooked if the right perps are doing the overlooking. Just another case of the laws being selectively enforced. If a private concern builds an energy project WITHOUT gov’t. subsidies,I’m thinking they will enforce the law completely. Maybe a way could be figured out so that in case of an energy shortage,the resulting problem could be directly aimed at Washington,D.C.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 3:36:05 PM PDT by oldtech
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