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Truce crumbles amid gunfire in Ukraine, at least 20 dead
CNN ^ | 02/20/2014 | By Phil Black, Nick Paton Walsh and Ben Brumfield

Posted on 02/20/2014 6:01:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- A shaky truce crumbled Thursday as gunfire erupted at Independence Square, the center of anti-government protests and an increasingly violent crisis that has left at least 48 people dead and hundreds injured in recent days.

At least 20 protesters died Thursday, said Oleg Musiy, head of the protesters' medical service. A police officer also was killed, the interior ministry said.

It's unclear what prompted the gunfire just hours after the government declared a truce. But CNN crews at the scene reported that as security forces were moving away from the area, a group of protesters pursued them, throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: protest; truce; ukraine

1 posted on 02/20/2014 6:01:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It is painful to watch this slow moving disaster. I wish it was resolved quickly, one way or another.


2 posted on 02/20/2014 6:09:57 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “truce” was just an opportunity for both sides to regroup and reload. Reconciliation is still a long ways away.

The Ukraine is, by geography and cultural heritage, more a part of Europe than it is of Russia. But Russia lies to the east, like a great dog taking a bite out of the Ukraine’s hindquarters.

The Ukraine is the gateway from Russia to much of the southern and southeastern part of Europe, and major ports on the Black Sea. As such, much of the commerce that flows in and out of Russia must necessarily flow through the Ukraine to warm-water ports and via rail and pipeline to parts of what was once the Soviet hegemony of eastern Europe. Strategically, Russia MUST keep a presence in the Ukraine.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 6:14:55 AM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: Samogon

RE: I wish it was resolved quickly, one way or another.

Personally, I side with the protesters. A win by the other side means a slow backslide to the former USSR.


4 posted on 02/20/2014 6:17:11 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Right on the heels of Obama’s “threat” of consequences.

He is literally the biggest joke in the world.


5 posted on 02/20/2014 6:25:08 AM PST by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind
Me too, but protesters are dying for nothing: their leaders are inept and unwilling to take responsibilities. Nobody wants the revolution to succeed but few brave Ukrainians on Maidan. Politicians playing games while the creme of the nation is perishing in wain.
6 posted on 02/20/2014 6:33:50 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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7 posted on 02/20/2014 6:47:53 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: alloysteel

Aside from that, it is an important food producing region. The Chinese recently struck a deal with them to lease farmland which amounts to 5% of total land in the Ukraine.


8 posted on 02/20/2014 6:50:19 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

Worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA


9 posted on 02/20/2014 6:50:20 AM PST by pugmama
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To: SeekAndFind

Soros is pumping a lot of resources into this conflict. He really wants balkanization.


10 posted on 02/20/2014 6:50:36 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: SeekAndFind

It is looking more and more like it will end up becoming a civil war in the Ukraine.


11 posted on 02/20/2014 6:51:25 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

The protestors need to invest in sniper riffles of their own with good scopes and start targeting those government snipers.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 6:54:51 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind; lightman; Ravnagora

Phooey to the Soros-funded Uniates!!!!

Ukraine is ORTHODOX!!!! EU membership means mandatory “gay” parades and “gay” marriage, massive muslim immigration, and atheist rule (at least until the muslims take over).

And we don’t need those things here in America, either!!!!


13 posted on 02/20/2014 7:18:28 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: miliantnutcase

See my post #13!


14 posted on 02/20/2014 7:19:08 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: SeekAndFind; lightman; Ravnagora; miliantnutcase

See:

http://1389blog.com/2014/02/19/civil-strife-in-the-ukraine-carefully-timed-to-disrupt-the-2014-sochi-olympics/


15 posted on 02/20/2014 7:22:10 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Samogon

Both sides in the Ukraine mess are using deadly force, it’s not a protest, it’s nasty violence. The gas bottle bombs and bricks the protestors throw are as deadly as bullets. The cops retaliate with snipers to try to shoot the bomb throwers. Neither side wants to lose or back off. The US, European Community can’t stop it. Maybe when the Olympics are over, Putin will send in his army and offer to mediate.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 7:34:14 AM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Honorary Serb

Yep


17 posted on 02/20/2014 7:41:12 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: TexasFreeper2009

>>The protestors need to invest in sniper riffles of their own with good scopes and start targeting those government snipers.<<

It seems like you are assuming these snipers belongs to a government.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 7:42:16 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SeekAndFind

They are shooting protesters in Venezuela too but the government there controls the media so the world can not see it on TV. In todays world if there is no video then there is no story, people are just as dead but there’s no story.


19 posted on 02/20/2014 7:53:04 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: RicocheT

If Putin sends his barbarians in - it will be all-out war. Ukraine remembers too well the suffering under Russians. The whole revolution is about being as far from Russia as possible.


20 posted on 02/20/2014 7:54:36 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon
Don't despair, Ще не вмерла Україна!
21 posted on 02/20/2014 8:17:38 AM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Honorary Serb

Serbia is so far removed from Russian realities it might as well be Madagascar commenting on it.
Btw, I’m orthodox


22 posted on 02/20/2014 8:20:45 AM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: pugmama
While we should all pray for the people of Ukraine, there are only 3 entities in the world that can affect the outcome:

Russia, Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.

Nobody else in the world has any influence.

All this talk of sanctions and diplomatic sanction will do nothing but drive the Ukraine closer to Russia.

Remember, very large majorities of the Ukrainian people in the east and south, the economic heart of the country...think these protestors are criminals. In fact about 1/2 the Capital City of Kiev thinks the same way. They are the ethnic Russians and their friends.

It's similar (though with great differences) to the US winning the Mexican war and then colonizing and $developing CA and TX at great cost over many generations.

Then the Mexicans rising up later to align with our "enemies".

Of course we did not undertake a genocide against the Mexicans being the greatest difference.

Still, Russia is HEAVILY invested in Ukraine, both blood and treasure. They lost at least 1/2 million soldiers defending it from the Nazis.

It's likely they're determined to keep it. It's also likely nobody can do a damn thing about it.

23 posted on 02/20/2014 8:27:44 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Honorary Serb

They aren’t looking for membership in the EU. Just more trade with the West and none of Putins crap.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 8:36:30 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Honorary Serb

Timed?

This started LAST YEAR.


25 posted on 02/20/2014 8:37:38 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gospodi pomiluj!
Kyrie Eleison.
Lord have mercy.


26 posted on 02/20/2014 8:50:38 AM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Honorary Serb

The Western half is only partly Orthodox— you are forgetting the Uniate Church, in communion with Rome and brutally suppresed by their ‘Orthodox’ brethren for centuries under the Tsars.


27 posted on 02/20/2014 9:03:02 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Mariner
More than a 1/2 million defeating the Nazis.

And several tens of thousands more killing Ukrainians.

Russian intervention is likely to produce an insurgency making Chechnya look like a cakewalk.

28 posted on 02/20/2014 9:05:11 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: pierrem15

Soviets forced many to move to Western Ukraine after the war, after the Poles who lived there for centuries were expelled.


29 posted on 02/20/2014 9:05:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: pierrem15
I am IN NO WAY supporting or defending the Russians in this.

I am observing the reality of the situation, I hope dispassionately.

The Russians will not cede Ukraine. They believe themselves righteous in this matter.

30 posted on 02/20/2014 9:19:53 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The Russian oligarchy is highly dependent on access to Western markets and financial institutions: no access, no cash.

So we do have considerable leverage here: the weak link is Germany, which is thoroughly penetrated with Russian money (former Kanzler Gazprom and former Aussenminister Gazprom are good examples).

31 posted on 02/20/2014 9:24:57 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: pierrem15

Why would we be involved in any way?


32 posted on 02/20/2014 9:35:36 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Because the bear is never sated: if it absorbs the Ukraine, then the Baltic countries and Poland are next on the hors d'oeuvre platter, and they are NATO members.

Right now, Putin is the first dictator since Hitler to get away with waging aggressive war and annexing territories internationally recognized as belonging to another state (Abkhazia and Ossetia).

If you think we should have nothing to do with anything over there fine: but then we should withdraw from NATO and our other treaty obligations, and make ourselves as economically autonomous as possible.

There is no 'cost free' solution to this problem, no matter how much many here on FR or in the Obama maladministration fantasize about one.

33 posted on 02/20/2014 11:25:16 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: alloysteel

“The Ukraine is, by geography and cultural heritage, more a part of Europe than it is of Russia. But Russia lies to the east, like a great dog taking a bite out of the Ukraine’s hindquarters.”

Ukraine has been part of “Russia” since the time of the Czars. Before that, she was divided between the various Polish, Austrian, etc. empires. I don’t believe she has ever been independant.

You are so correct to state that Russia has a vital strategic interest in keeping Ukraine within their sphere. They will not let it fall into the hands of the EU or anyone else.


34 posted on 02/20/2014 11:39:00 AM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: pierrem15
"but then we should withdraw from NATO and our other treaty obligations, and make ourselves as economically autonomous as possible."

I was unaware the Russians were encroaching on NATO or otherwise on US Treaty obligations.

I know they only threatened to deploy IRBMs in Belarus if the US deployed ABMs in Poland.

Yes, they essentially annexed Ossetia but that did not infringe on US interests or Treaty obligations.

35 posted on 02/20/2014 12:01:14 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Putin is already spreading money around Latvia and Estonia, as well as cutting off gas as a means of exerting political pressure.

To put it bluntly, Russia has no legitimate security interests regarding any of the territories on its Western borders, because there is no threat to Russia from any of those states or any other state (including the US) from that side.

I'm tired of seeing Westerners legitimize Russian aggression as though it were normal diplomacy.

36 posted on 02/20/2014 12:17:57 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: pugmama

Wow!, thanks for posting, hope everybody watches this. Instinctively, given the corruption of our government, I don’t believe ANY government anywhere. They all lie to further their corrupt aims.

I do see and hear the sincerity in this young lady’s face and voice. It is very touching that these people are dying by the hundreds for that one not so little word “freedom”..........that the majority of us take for granted. Sadly, I fear we are up to bat next. No pun intended.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 6:16:36 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are Ukrainians shooting on Ukrainians?


38 posted on 02/21/2014 6:18:02 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: SeekAndFind
Personally, I side with the protesters.

Oh, good.

Do you have a plan to save their asses when the tanks roll? The Bundeswehr has burned all their maps showing roads that lead to Kiev (with good reason).

39 posted on 02/21/2014 9:49:41 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Samogon
I wish it was resolved quickly, one way or another.

Right after the closing ceremony.

40 posted on 02/21/2014 9:50:22 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Samogon
If Putin sends his barbarians in - it will be all-out war.

For five minutes.

41 posted on 02/21/2014 9:51:58 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Too late. Things are beyond Russian control now.


42 posted on 02/21/2014 9:53:38 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Jim Noble

Don’t overestimate Putin’s abilities. His Huns are poorly equipped, short on morals and motivation. Ukrainian people are, to the contrary, VERY motivated.


43 posted on 02/21/2014 9:58:08 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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