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Round Up (Tens of Thousands of) Gun Registration Scofflaws, Rants Hartford Courant Editorial Board
Reason ^ | Feb. 18, 2014 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 02/20/2014 12:13:48 PM PST by neverdem

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A bit of miltary wisdom has it that you should never give an order you know won't be obeyed. Issuing such an order accomplishes nothing except to undermine your authority and expose the extent to which, no matter what enforcement mechanisms are in place, you rely upon voluntary compliance. But now that Connecticut's resident class of politically employed cretins has awoken to the fact that, in their state, like everywhere else, people overwhelmingly disobey orders to register their weapons, they're acting like this is a shocking revelation. They're also promising to make those who tried to comply, but missed the deadline regret the effort (proving the point of the openly defiant). And the politicians' enablers in the press are screaming for the prosecution of "scores of thousands" of state residents who, quite predictably, flipped the bird at the government.

Three years ago, the Connecticut legislature estimated there were 372,000 rifles in the state of the sort that might be classified as "assault weapons," and two million plus high-capacity magazines. Many more have been sold in the gun-buying boom since then. But by the close of registration at the end of 2013, state officials received around 50,000 applications for "assault weapon" registrations, and 38,000 applications for magazines.

Some people actually tried to comply with the registration law, but missed the deadline. The state's official position is that it will accept applications notarized on or before January 1, 2014 and postmarked by January 4. But, says Dora Schriro, Commissioner of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, in a letter to lawmakers(PDF), anybody sufficiently law-abiding but foolish enough to miss that slightly extended grace period will have to surrender or otherwise get rid of their guns.

BullshitConnecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection

This, of course, is the eternally fulfilled fear of those who oppose registration of things governments don't like—that allowing the government to know about them will result in their eventual confiscation. Such confiscation, despite assurances to the contrary, occurred in New York, California, and elsewhere. Connecticut has accomplished something special, though, by making "eventual" a synonym for "right now."

You know who won't have to surrender their weapons? People who quietly told the state to fuck off.

This successful example of mass defiance horrifies the editorial board of the Hartford Courant, which shudders at the sight of the masses not obeying an order that, history, tells us, never had a shot at wide compliance. According to them:

It's estimated that perhaps scores of thousands of Connecticut residents failed to register their military-style assault weapons with state police by Dec. 31....

...the bottom line is that the state must try to enforce the law. Authorities should use the background check database as a way to find assault weapon purchasers who might not have registered those guns in compliance with the new law.

A Class D felony calls for a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Even much lesser penalties or probation would mar a heretofore clean record and could adversely affect, say, the ability to have a pistol permit.

If you want to disobey the law, you should be prepared to face the consequences.

Such shock! Such outrage!

But compliance with gun registration would have been a historical aberration. Gun restrictions of all sorts breed defiance everywhere they're introduced. About 25 percent of Illinois handgun owners actually complied when that state's registration law was introduced in the 1970s, according to Don B. Kates, a criminologist and civil liberties attorney, writing in the December 1977 issue of Inquiry. Then, when California began registering "assault weapons" in 1990, The New York Times reported after the registration period came to a close that “only about 7,000 weapons of an estimated 300,000 in private hands in the state have been registered.”

Similar defiance occurred in Australia, Canada, and many European countries. People, unsurprisingly, seem to think that being armed is not a bad thing, and that governments can't be trusted.

Can't imagine why.

Here's the thing: Laws rely, almost entirely, on voluntary compliance, with enforcement efforts sufficient for a tiny, noncompliant minority. If a large number of people to whom a law applies find the law repugnant—and a majority of a group, consisting of scores of thousands of people, constitutes a large number—than the law is unenforceable, no matter how many politicians and newspaper editorial writers think it's a swell idea. Governments that try enforcement, anyway, will be stuck in a pattern of escalating brutality and declining legitimacy.

Gun registration, let alone confiscation has, always and everywhere, fallen into that "unenforceable" category. We saw the same phenomenon with Prohibition, and we've also seen it with drugs.

To insist, now, that Connecticut authorities try to chase down "scores of thousands" of gun owners (using background check records that don't actually prove they still own the forbidden firearms) displays wild ignorance of the limits of government power. It also expresses disgusting deference to authority at the expense of any respect for liberty—an immature morality that sees no good beyond obedience to rules. And, it's sheer lunacy.


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1 posted on 02/20/2014 12:13:49 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
A bit of miltary wisdom has it that you should never give an order you know won't be obeyed.

Likewise on the legal side, "never ask a witness a question in court to which you don't already know the answer."

2 posted on 02/20/2014 12:15:31 PM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: neverdem
And the politicians' enablers in the press are screaming for the prosecution of "scores of thousands" of state residents who, quite predictably, flipped the bird at the government.

Watch these creeps stake out shooting ranges.

3 posted on 02/20/2014 12:16:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: neverdem

You know what’s happening in Ukraine? Apparently some of that is needed in Hartford.


4 posted on 02/20/2014 12:16:51 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: neverdem
and two million plus high-capacity magazines.

I'd hazard to guess there are a lot lot more than that. I know I certainly spent the next 10 years after the mag ban of 1994 expired in 2004 to recoup for lost time. Time was of the essence because I knew they'd be back with more bans.

5 posted on 02/20/2014 12:17:46 PM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: neverdem

How about ALL of those “ScoffLaws” get together a BURN your WORTHLESS “Paper” to the GROUND w/ YOU POSs in it!


6 posted on 02/20/2014 12:18:08 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: neverdem

When 1/3 million people don’t obey this law — could be there is something dreadfully wrong with the law.


7 posted on 02/20/2014 12:19:10 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: neverdem
Authorities should use the background check database as a way to find assault weapon purchasers who might not have registered those guns in compliance with the new law.

If I recall correctly, that database is to be purged after the check has been made. They wouldn't use an illegal database to go after "lawbreakers" defying an unconstitutional law still under adjudication, would they? /s

8 posted on 02/20/2014 12:20:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: neverdem

There are millions of weapons in Texas,far more guns than people. This is as it should be because gun owners have to take up the slack of those who fail to provide for the common defense.


9 posted on 02/20/2014 12:21:39 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: neverdem

There are millions of weapons in Texas,far more guns than people. This is as it should be because gun owners have to take up the slack of those who fail to provide for the common defense.


10 posted on 02/20/2014 12:21:39 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: neverdem

Note to Progressives: If you want a civil war you can get a civil war.


11 posted on 02/20/2014 12:22:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MeganC

Pro-gun lobby wants to turn Russian homes into fortresses...http://rt.com/politics/gun-russian-home-defense-883/


12 posted on 02/20/2014 12:24:36 PM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: txrefugee

That is why I boy more ammo than I’ll ever use so I can help out others when the time comes.


13 posted on 02/20/2014 12:26:17 PM PST by Renegade
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To: neverdem

It’s a simple question of who’s the Master and who’s the Servant.


14 posted on 02/20/2014 12:26:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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15 posted on 02/20/2014 12:28:16 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: neverdem
"We saw the same phenomenon with Prohibition, and we've also seen it with drugs."

Ditto the Double-Nickle.

16 posted on 02/20/2014 12:29:17 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie
If I recall correctly, that database is to be purged after the check has been made.

Mostly correct:

Background Check Records:
As of July 2004, approved purchaser information must be destroyed within 24 hours of the official NICS response to the dealer.20 This destruction requirement has been imposed in appropriations bills as part of the so-called “Tiahrt Amendments,” named after their chief proponent Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS). As a result, ATF inspectors are no longer able to compare the information on file with the dealer to the information the dealer submitted to NICS.21 For more information about the Tiahrt Amendments, see our summary on Gun Trafficking & Straw Purchases.

http://smartgunlaws.org/maintaining-gun-sales-background-check-records-policy-summary/

17 posted on 02/20/2014 12:30:44 PM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: neverdem

Just goes to show, you need a really tippy canoe.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 12:32:01 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: neverdem
Oregon is just about to do this in the new legislative year. They tried it last session less than a year ago and got shot down. It is my state senator, who heads the judicial committee where it begins. D's hold the majority unlike last year.

It will be a very hard decision if it passes, to register. I am a law abiding citizen, active member of our small community, I pay taxes, I serve on community and county boards are they really going to arrest me for not registering?

19 posted on 02/20/2014 12:36:05 PM PST by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: Paladin2

“It’s for the children”.


20 posted on 02/20/2014 12:42:32 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: thirst4truth
I serve on community and county boards are they really going to arrest me for not registering?

Arrest? Hell, the SWAT commander will point at you and yell, "DOG!".

21 posted on 02/20/2014 12:45:40 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: thirst4truth
...they really going to arrest me for not registering?

Yes. Yes they will. Unless you decide that that is where your line in the sand has been drawn. Even a casual read of history should teach you where this eventually goes. And that there is only one way to stop it.

22 posted on 02/20/2014 12:46:01 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: grobdriver

Yes, the background database is supposed to be purged, but according to the Second Amendment Foundation, there is no penalty for not complying.

The Foundation added a penalty for noncompliance in an amendment to the last failed gun control law.

How do we know they are complying with the law?


23 posted on 02/20/2014 12:54:25 PM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: neverdem

Anti-Firearms Psychosis - AFP - comes (even more) out of the closet.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 12:55:58 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Carry_Okie

“If I recall correctly, that database is to be purged after the check has been made. They wouldn’t use an illegal database to go after “lawbreakers” defying an unconstitutional law still under adjudication, would they? /s “

Then we have the Form 4473 can of worms yet to be opened.


25 posted on 02/20/2014 12:58:02 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: neverdem
We should start looking for those firearms by kicking in the doors of the members of the Hartford Courant Editorial Board in the middle of the night and search their houses for them, and shoot their dogs if they have any.
26 posted on 02/20/2014 1:01:56 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: neverdem
The Hartford Courant, the oldest continuously newspaper in the country, was a great paper when it was locally owned. When the LA Times bought it, it drifted left especially when the Hartford Times (the Democratic paper) quit.

The editorial board of today's Courant would be for England during the War for Independence.

27 posted on 02/20/2014 1:03:15 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: BenLurkin

“When 1/3 million people don’t obey this law — could be there is something dreadfully wrong with the law.”

When 30,000,000 (illegal aliens) people don’t obey the law....


28 posted on 02/20/2014 1:22:31 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: ExCTCitizen

You got it. I only go to the courant just for UConn stuff and obits.


29 posted on 02/20/2014 1:24:02 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: neverdem

Ask the cops how eager they are to start going door to door? I think a major outbreak of blue flu would happen. :-)


30 posted on 02/20/2014 1:24:55 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: neverdem

I guess they can give it try...


31 posted on 02/20/2014 1:35:16 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: VanShuyten

You beat me to it.


32 posted on 02/20/2014 1:40:53 PM PST by DeakonSmith
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To: neverdem
Reject their unconstitutional diktats, evade, smuggle, and become the best at what our founders did to the British over 250 years ago when they tried to disarm us than!
33 posted on 02/20/2014 1:44:55 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: BenLurkin

Like the 55 mph speed limit?

I’ve read a piece that said that the 55 mph speed limit was one of the main reasons for disregard of all laws - people just didn’t see it as anything but arbitrary and unnecessary,

and therefore raised questions about other laws of the same era.


34 posted on 02/20/2014 1:50:33 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: thirst4truth

Yes! because you are a conservative. If you are a liberal then you will be overlooked or forgiven.


35 posted on 02/20/2014 1:51:28 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: TigersEye

The thing about libs, though, is that they really think the State will do their dirty work for them.

Most leftists have this visceral desire to see those that disagree with them killed by the State.


36 posted on 02/20/2014 1:51:38 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
They should disabuse themselves of that notion. Some agents of the state will do their bidding. Some won't...

COLORADO SHERIFFS STAND UP, RESIST NEW RESTRICTIONS ON GUN RIGHTS

They should also consider that while their agents are out knocking down doors they will be home alone and quite a few people just might remember who sent the shock troops out.

37 posted on 02/20/2014 2:09:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

What I’ve said is that when the knocking down of doors starts that the homeowner/patriot has more of a duty to escape than resist.

Escape, organize, and fight back on your own terms.


38 posted on 02/20/2014 2:12:02 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Resisting on their terms and in their timing is/will be futile, by design because they will come with overwhelming force. That is an excellent reason to plant a few seedlings not easily accessed by the storm troopers.


39 posted on 02/20/2014 2:14:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

There are so many variables, but yes... I, like most others, have sacrificial weapons. But this only works at the beginning. If all out confiscation were to ensue, most of us wont be home when they come knocking. It’s a serious catch-22 for authorities. They’ve got big balls when they try to flush 100 people out of a wooden building in the middle of the county in Waco. It’s a whole different story when you know there are 100 million armed citizens scattered endlessly from sea to sea, you are hopelessly outnumbered, your enemy isn’t concentrated, and you don’t even know what he looks like. That war is not winnable and they are quite aware of that fact


40 posted on 02/20/2014 2:46:57 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: neverdem

“Governments that try enforcement, anyway, will be stuck in a pattern of escalating brutality and declining legitimacy.”

This is how armies of revolution rise and grow strong.


41 posted on 02/20/2014 3:32:05 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: MrB

Well, I have the desire to see those who would make a slave out of me or deprive me of my Constitutional rights killed by me or fellow patriots, so I can almost see a parallel, but not quite.


42 posted on 02/20/2014 4:17:10 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Carry_Okie
If I recall correctly, that database is to be purged after the check has been made.

Well I certainly trust that they deleted every one of those background checks, don't you? </s>

Once you have applied for a background check you have, for all intents and purposes, registered your gun.

43 posted on 02/20/2014 4:26:14 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: MrB
I’ve read a piece that said that the 55 mph speed limit was one of the main reasons

Jimmy Carter claimed it elected Reagan, I am sure it helped.

44 posted on 02/20/2014 4:33:05 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: neverdem
Now we'll find out whether Connecticut pols have the stones to start building concentration camps, armored trains, human abbatoirs on the Auschwitz-Birkenau model, and a Red Army to enforce their tyranny.

Maybe they should just watch Barky and the boys as they demonstrate how.

45 posted on 02/20/2014 4:42:38 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: itsahoot
Well I certainly trust that they deleted every one of those background checks, don't you?

Even under Bush 43, the NIC check data was being bogarted and squirreled away by the FBI and ATF, in defiance of Congress and the black-letter laws they had made that forbade disposing of the data.

Presumably this activity had Mr. Bush's acquiescence. Gentlemen, you see, agree that the helots should not be armed, in a well-ordered society, such as the New World Order, in which everyone knows his place.

46 posted on 02/20/2014 4:46:43 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: itsahoot
Jimmy Carter claimed it elected Reagan, I am sure it helped.

Jimmy Carter didn't busy himself with the necessary organizational preparations to steal elections.

47 posted on 02/20/2014 4:47:58 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: itsahoot
Once you have applied for a background check you have, for all intents and purposes, registered your gun.

'Tis so. These agencies seem not to care what "legitimacy" means.

48 posted on 02/20/2014 5:40:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: MrB; Paladin; BenLurkin
Like the 55 mph speed limit?

I’ve read a piece that said that the 55 mph speed limit was one of the main reasons for disregard of all laws - people just didn’t see it as anything but arbitrary and unnecessary, and therefore raised questions about other laws of the same era.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

- Ayn Rand, 1957 -

49 posted on 02/20/2014 8:01:34 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: itsahoot

Ayatollah Khomeini elected Ronald Reagan.


50 posted on 02/20/2014 8:26:14 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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