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Rand Paul fights for felon voting rights
CNN ^ | FEb 19, 2014 | Halimah Abdullah

Posted on 02/20/2014 3:59:31 PM PST by Innovative

Tayna Fogle sat just behind Sen. Rand Paul, nodding her head and listening as he pressed the case with Kentucky state senators to restore felon voting rights.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: felons; paul; randpaul; voting; votingrights
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1 posted on 02/20/2014 3:59:31 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

More evidence Rand is an idiot, even if he is okay on some issues.


2 posted on 02/20/2014 4:01:12 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Innovative

Its a state issue.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 4:02:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
What's idiotic about felons having voting rights ?

I haven't read the article, but if he's talking about prison inmates, I think he's nuts ... but a felon, time and dues paid and living a real life ... why not ?

I'M a felon.

And the law of averages identifies a fair number of FreepeRs as such.

4 posted on 02/20/2014 4:03:51 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Innovative

I agree because the bar to become a felon is so low now that almost everyone is guilty.


5 posted on 02/20/2014 4:04:34 PM PST by plainshame
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To: knarf

and a PS ... restore gun rights also.


6 posted on 02/20/2014 4:04:44 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Innovative

That’s the final straw for me.


7 posted on 02/20/2014 4:06:45 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Innovative

I, for one, agree with this. If their debt to society has been repaid in full, then there’s no reason to further punish them. If it hasn’t been repaid then they should not be out of prison...


8 posted on 02/20/2014 4:07:14 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Innovative

Once they served their time in prison, I don’t see why not. Why release ppl out of prison at all if the crime is not forgiven. Those in prison should not be allowed to vote though


9 posted on 02/20/2014 4:07:45 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Innovative

Not really so strange. They’re both pro-amnesty too.

Enough to make one think they want to see more liberal voters.


10 posted on 02/20/2014 4:07:52 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: trisham

He thinks this is the way to win “the hearts and minds” of minorities, which, in my book makes him totally delusional.

It won’t work and it insults minorities in addition.


11 posted on 02/20/2014 4:08:15 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: knarf

I agree. Not a felon myself, but see no reason why felons should lose their vote after repaying their debt to society.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 4:08:45 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: 9YearLurker

“Enough to make one think they want to see more liberal voters.”

It does make you wonder, doesn’t it... or maybe not.

Maybe Rand is only marginally smarter than his Father...


13 posted on 02/20/2014 4:10:01 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: knarf

What’s idiotic about felons having voting rights ?
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I feel that if an individual has served his full sentence then he is a free man and all of his rights should be restored (including voting rights). If you don’t trust him to carry a gun, be around children, poodles, etc. then why in heaven’s name is he being released? He should remain incarcerated.


14 posted on 02/20/2014 4:12:47 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; All

Wikipaedia has a list of how this is handled in the various states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement#Classifications


15 posted on 02/20/2014 4:13:57 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Why is Paul worried about this crap? We got a President who is dismantling America with edicts, executive orders, endless regulations, and foreign policy in shambles.

PAUL'S A KOOK! PAUL'S OFF HIS MEDS!

No really, he is.

16 posted on 02/20/2014 4:16:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: 9YearLurker
They’re both pro-amnesty too.

And Rand Paul has spoken out strongly in favor of obama as a "leader" and even had the gall to post his slobbering sentiments on his web site. I find Palin appealin' and Paul appallin'.

17 posted on 02/20/2014 4:17:30 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Why do you think Rand Paul is an idiot? If someone has paid their debt to society they are supposed to be able to resume a normal life. I think they should be allowed to vote after they are released from prison.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 4:17:40 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
I agree. Not a felon myself, but see no reason why felons should lose their vote after repaying their debt to society.

One can never fully repay his/her debt to society when one commits a serious criminal act.And yes,*all* felonies qualify as being serious enough to carry with them a lifelong penalty.

19 posted on 02/20/2014 4:18:13 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: All

Apparently there was a vote in the Senate:

Gutting of felon voting rights bill angers backers

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20140219/NEWS0101/302190062/Felon-voting-rights-bill-gutted-Rand-Paul-testifies

“The Senate passed a watered-down version of a bill to restore voting rights for some convicted felons on Wednesday, potentially dooming a measure that has garnered support from U.S. Sen. Rand Paul.

The changes — which would cut the list of those eligible for restoration of rights and impose a strict five-year waiting period — angered supporters of the original House Bill 70.

HB 70 would set the stage for allowing convicted felons to have their voting rights restored automatically once they complete their sentences. “


20 posted on 02/20/2014 4:18:56 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Why is Paul worried about this crap?”

Exactly — is this the most pressing thing facing the country?


21 posted on 02/20/2014 4:19:32 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: knarf

Agreed! When you’ve served your time and made any restorations required by the courts all rights should be restored.


22 posted on 02/20/2014 4:20:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
One can never fully repay his/her debt to society when one commits a serious criminal act.

Then kill them, and be done with it.

/johnny

23 posted on 02/20/2014 4:21:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: re_nortex

Ha ha—yes.

There’s too much Paul in Rand.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 4:21:49 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Gay State Conservative
Damn near everything is a felony these days. Even minor stuff that once carried a fairly light sentence have been upgraded to felonies.

Unless we are talking about an extremely violent crime, I see absolutely no reason why someone who has paid their debt should be denied their rights.

For the record, I have a completely clean slate. Not so much as a speeding ticket against me.

25 posted on 02/20/2014 4:22:48 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Innovative

If you stay clean for say two years after release you absolutely should get your voting rights restored. This policy of denying rights to people who have supposedly paid their debt to society is an abomination and I believe the founders would have taken a very dim view of it.


26 posted on 02/20/2014 4:24:51 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Innovative

I agree with him. And I’d still vote for him.


27 posted on 02/20/2014 4:25:51 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: babygene

Felonies

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/felonies.html

“Today many crimes classified as felonies are still considered offensive to the moral standards in most American communities. They include terrorism, treason, arson, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping, among others.”

Yes, we definitely want these types of people to determine the outcome of elections. (/sarc)


28 posted on 02/20/2014 4:26:49 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Gay State Conservative
And yes,*all* felonies qualify as being serious enough to carry with them a lifelong penalty.

In your lovely state theft of items of a value of $250 or more is a felony. That should carry a life sentence?

29 posted on 02/20/2014 4:26:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: knarf

“but a felon, time and dues paid and living a real life ... why not ?”

Agreed. There is a limit on how long an offender should be punished.

However, this is truly a state issue. Some states restore voting rights once the sentence time is complete, others never do.


30 posted on 02/20/2014 4:27:55 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Innovative

I read another interview today and rand is now walking back his statements so that his “main focus” is only for non violent drug users and dealers. The bottom line is that he wants it for Liberaltarian reasons and the rats just want 2 million new rat voters.


31 posted on 02/20/2014 4:31:45 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

He is weird


32 posted on 02/20/2014 4:33:35 PM PST by stanne
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To: Innovative

It also angers Conservative minorities who know it is just pandering.


33 posted on 02/20/2014 4:33:49 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Innovative

Proving that “Ran” is as dumb as “Ron”.


34 posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Maybe Paul has a problem with “meds”.


35 posted on 02/20/2014 4:35:23 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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36 posted on 02/20/2014 4:36:18 PM PST by RedMDer
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Yes, many crimes are. There are thousands upon thousands.

Did you know that if you ship a pack of smokes in the mail it’s a felony?

#1) Drug abuse violations are exceptionally common, often the most common felony offense, with about 2,000,000 violations annually. #2) Property crimes include auto theft, burglary, larceny, arson, and theft. #3) Driving while intoxicated is so common that every one of the states spends an incredible amount of law enforcement time and expense on preventing and catching DUI offenders. #4) Larceny (theft), under the category of property crimes, is by itself one of the most common felony crimes in the U.S. #5) Assault is, tragically, tremendously common, with well over 1,000,000 offenses each year. #6) Disorderly conduct is a category that includes various crimes that pose a risk to society. #7) Liquor laws that limit the sales of alcohol, such as sales to minors, are broken regularly across all of the states. #8) Violent crime is another category including manslaughter, murder, robbery, assault, and forcible rape. #9) Public drunkenness is still considered a crime and is rather common. #10), #11), and #12) consecutively are the individual crimes from the violent crime category, namely: aggravated assault, burglary, and vandalism. Each of these holds a spot in the top 20 felony offenses. #13) Due to media raising awareness, most Americans are aware of the commonness of fraud in the business and political arenas. #14) Weapons violations include carrying a concealed weapon, or possessing a gun without a license. #15) Curfew and loitering laws exist in certain areas for different reasons, such as controlling gang activity. #16) Robbery is next in line, which is theft involving direct contact with the victim. #17) Domestic violence and child abuse are sadly pervasive crimes in every city in the U.S. #18) Stolen property violations include being in possession of stolen property, whether or not the possessor is the one who stole the property. #19) Motor vehicle theft is common enough that car alarms are a must-have item in many neighborhoods. #20) Finally, forgery and counterfeiting include writing checks on someone else’s account and printing fake money. Together these 20 most common felony crimes cost taxpayers billions of dollars a year and are the focus of much political debate on prevention and reform.


37 posted on 02/20/2014 4:40:35 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Gay State Conservative

If you don’t believe degree of crime carry different prison time, then you must believe all crimes whatever it is, should have 100 years prison time


38 posted on 02/20/2014 4:41:26 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Innovative

A thought came to me, which could be a sort of compromise. Those out of prison will need to have a good behavior grace period before voting right is restored. If you’re in jail for 5 years, you need to have 5 years good behavior before voting right is restored


39 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:41 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: knarf

Agreed!!


40 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:55 PM PST by LexRex in TN ("A republic, if you can keep it.......")
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To: stanne

Not really,I have people I know who were charged and convicted of having over an ounce of pot in the 70’s and they are felons and never served a day of jail.Do they deserve their rights?


41 posted on 02/20/2014 4:45:53 PM PST by plainshame
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To: Innovative

They paid their time

Restore their rights


42 posted on 02/20/2014 4:50:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I hate you

/S


43 posted on 02/20/2014 4:53:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: RedMDer; flaglady47; mickie; pax_et_bonum; oswegodeee; Maine Mariner; ken5050; Bob Ireland; ...
NUT DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE NUT TREE.....

That's right, Rand.....fight your utmost to add thousands and thousands of votes to the Democrap total....and that's how most of the ex-cons will vote. We know it....why don't YOU!

Plus, you want to add millions to the Democrap vote through your support for amnesty.

In the upcoming mid-term election we're gonna need every single vote we can get to SAVE OUR REPUBLIC.....and there you are......the best guy on the enemy's side.

Thanks for nothing, Crusader Rabbit.

Leni

44 posted on 02/20/2014 4:55:59 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: babygene
" If their debt to society has been repaid in full"

Just exactly how can these crimes be "repaid" to society? How is a person unkilled, or unraped? Punishing a violent felon by incarceration further burdens society. Nowhere is anything "repaid". Except maybe the lawyers.

45 posted on 02/20/2014 5:10:45 PM PST by matthew fuller (The GOP is dead- Long Live the TEA Party!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

I think Rand is channeling Daddy, the apple does not fall far from the tree.


46 posted on 02/20/2014 5:14:03 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

What is idiotic about restring right to someone who has done their punishment? This include guns.

Why should people who get charged for felony check kiting every be disallowed to buy a gun?


47 posted on 02/20/2014 5:21:24 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: knarf

100% agree!


48 posted on 02/20/2014 5:21:39 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why is Paul worried about this crap?

It's called the Constitution.

And it isn't crap.
49 posted on 02/20/2014 5:22:16 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: matthew fuller
Indeed. Where did all this claptrap about "repaying debt to society" come from anyway? That isn't why we punish felons. Some psychopath serving time does me no good at all except make my community marginally safer while he is in the cooler.

And if his judgment is bad enough to get himself thrown in prison why do we want him making civil decisions at the ballot box or anywhere else. The Founding Fathers understood, and said, that democratic self-rule requires a moral and educated electorate. If we can restrict bright decent seventeen year-olds from voting, why not malefactors who take delight in messing up society at large?

50 posted on 02/20/2014 5:25:49 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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