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Dem congressman plays 'birther' card on Cruz (Alan Grayson hurl video)
WND ^ | February 20, 2014 | Unattributed

Posted on 02/21/2014 7:40:53 AM PST by Seizethecarp

“Since Ted Cruz is a Canadian and our Constitution requires an American to win, I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be Ted Cruz,” Grayson said.

The questions about Obama, however, linger as an ongoing, official law enforcement investigation has determined the “birth certificate” he released from the White House appears is a forgery.

The questions about Obama’s eligibility, nevertheless, have been publicly ridiculed by everyone from the White House on down.

Grayson said Cruz “represents the element of the Republican Party that’s trying to hasten the apocalypse.”

WND Founder and longtime news executive Joseph Farah, whose news organization has covered the dispute about Obama’s eligibility, said in a column he was amazed that Democrats have raise the issue regarding Cruz.

“I pointed out … that the media are on a campaign to ensure Sen. Ted Cruz never gets a chance to run for president. Why? Because, they claim or infer, he’s ineligible under the constitutional requirement to be a ‘natural born citizen,’” Farah wrote.

“It’s amazing given the media’s ridicule of those of us who posed the question and did six years of investigative work to try to determine Barack Obama’s eligibility – a question that has still not been answered, by the way, or even debated rationally on the facts we now know.”

Farah said it’s “precisely why it was so important to pay attention to the precedent Obama set by refusing to release his birth certificate for two years and then releasing one that was labeled fraudulent by the only law enforcement investigators who have examined it, as well as dozens of document experts.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alangrayson; canada; florida; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; obama; tedcruz; texas

1 posted on 02/21/2014 7:40:53 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; Fantasywriter; ...

ping to the vile Alan Grayson gleefully attacking Ted Cruz’s eligibility.

Note that, previously, IIRC, WND’s Farrah said he would not contest Cruz’s eligibility based on the precedent set by the certification of Barry’s election and by the forthrightness of Cruz regarding his birth circumstances (in contrast to ongoing deceptive behavior of Barry).


2 posted on 02/21/2014 7:47:57 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Good God, can’t Grayson’s driver just.. take one for the team?


3 posted on 02/21/2014 7:50:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Seizethecarp

You can bet that if Cruz is the nominee eligibility will suddenly become a big deal, whereas it was a non-issue in 2008 and 2012.


4 posted on 02/21/2014 7:51:03 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: Seizethecarp

You know the Democrats will bring up the issue all day long. I admire the Democrats for only one thing, their tenacity. They have fire in the belly and go after what they want with both guns blazing, though everything they believe in is ruinous to the country. I miss the days when Newt and other congressmen were taking on Tip O’Neill in an empty house chamber. The GOP has no fight in them.


5 posted on 02/21/2014 7:51:06 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: Seizethecarp

Grayson is off his meds again. Poor guy was a survivor of a botched abortion to start with and now look. He should go to North Korea and drown himself.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 7:53:06 AM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Here is the summary of why Farrah believes that unlike Cruz (whose birth facts and circumstances are clear) there are still multiple issues regarding Barry:

“Why Obama’s eligibility is still important”

“Exclusive: Joseph Farah counters claims he’s a ‘hypocrite’ when it comes to Ted Cruz”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/why-obamas-eligibility-is-still-important/

quote

So what was my beef?

One problem has always been, and remains today, that we don’t know where he was born because he has never released an unchallenged birth certificate.

A second problem remains that even if the birth certificate is accurate and authentic, it still leaves open the question of his “natural born citizen” status because it states his father was a Kenyan citizen, unable to confer “natural born citizen” status on his son.

A third problem is that his listed mother was unable to confer that status on her son because she was a minor – too young. She hadn’t lived as a citizen in the country long enough. She later left for Indonesia and took her son with her to Indonesia where he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen.

So the question remains, even without an uncontested birth certificate, how did Obama become a “natural born citizen”?

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7 posted on 02/21/2014 7:55:38 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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8 posted on 02/21/2014 7:56:55 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Seizethecarp
This is puzzling to me. Cruz never even hinted a presidential run and the media was out there claiming he was eligible.

Ted Cruz Releases Birth Certificate, Is Eligible to Run for President, Canadian Parliament

Now CNN Weighs In: Is Ted Cruz Eligible to be President?

Texas Republican Sen. Cruz eligible to be president should he decide to run

Is Ted Cruz, born in Canada, eligible to run for president?

Just to list a few. They all say e is eligible. Why? Because if he is delcared eligible then it make Zippo eligible.

9 posted on 02/21/2014 7:59:26 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

They preemptively hit out at any Conservative that hits the ‘tone’, presidential-contender or not.

The ‘machine’ at work...


10 posted on 02/21/2014 8:04:04 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: GregNH

“They all say he is eligible.”

Not from what I see. I see a lot of pointed questioning designed to put doubts in people’s minds.

I see the MSM as being “secure in the knowledge” that Barry was born in HI to a US citizen mom, circumstances that have been twice litigated in the electoral college to affirm eligibility for Barry (assuming those disputed facts are true).


11 posted on 02/21/2014 8:08:24 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
(Alan Grayson hurl video)

Thanks for help (the vid...Grayson has the opposite effect on me...throne time...)

12 posted on 02/21/2014 8:09:15 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Seizethecarp

And we have Hannity, Beck, Rush, and I think even Levin, all saying he is! I am dumbfounded. We have been screaming what an NBC is for 7 years and you are going to tell me none of them heard it?


13 posted on 02/21/2014 8:12:29 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

You said:

“And we have Hannity, Beck, Rush, and I think even Levin, all saying he is! I am dumbfounded. We have been screaming what an NBC is for 7 years and you are going to tell me none of them heard it?”

Very True. They are terrified of anything staining their credibility. (scaring their sponsors). “Birther” issue comes up and they collectively close their eyes, plug their ears, and holler La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La.......


14 posted on 02/21/2014 8:37:32 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Seizethecarp
...official law enforcement investigation has determined the “birth certificate” he released from the White House appears is a forgery.

A felony, by the way. But islamists and their cohorts are essentially free from any prosecution.

15 posted on 02/21/2014 8:44:04 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Seizethecarp

Democrats WILL attack Cruz with the so called “birther” issue, as everyone should. In fact HE should do the right thing and clearly state that he is not eligible to the office and will not run for it.

If he believes in the Constitution, he should stand up for it, even when it affects his career. Are you telling me that when Cruz decided to enter politics, that it never occurred to him that the fact he was born in CANADA wouldn’t someday be a problem? OF COURSE IT DID.

What is more important to him, his career or the Constitution of the United States?

We will see what kind of man he really is. I hope he doesn’t disappoint me, as I have the greatest respect for him and think he is vital in our fight to save America. This can be done from many positions, not just the oval office.


16 posted on 02/21/2014 8:49:56 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Seizethecarp

If Cruz runs for POTUS then expect the Dems and RINOs and their media darlings to morph into born-again Birthers.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 8:54:53 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Seizethecarp

If it’s ok for Obama it’s ok for Ted Cruz two can play that game.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 9:01:35 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Seizethecarp

Kind of dumb on Grayson’s part since the Democrats don’t even need to bring up any questions about Cruz’s citizenship. There are enough Republicans who will do that for them.


19 posted on 02/21/2014 9:04:28 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: faucetman
The marxists have scored a victory on several fronts with Barry oh... being elected and surviving the eligibility challenges, such as they are.

Marxists work to undermine and weaken our definitions with regard to our language, borders and culture.

With obama vs McCain, they have scored a major victory undermining the Constitution's NBC definition and eligibility requirement, even our views on immigration/citizenship, just as they are doing with our definition of marriage.

Words mean things until they don't and when they don't we have confusion and chaos. Marxists love the confusion and chaos they create by diluting and undermining our language and all that flows from it. It's one of their favorite tactics and works extraordinarily well against US.

We would do well to tighten up and purify our definitions and standards about who and what we are, not dilute them on our way to transforming our nation and society.

20 posted on 02/21/2014 9:17:43 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GregNH

“And we have Hannity, Beck, Rush, and I think even Levin, all saying he is! I am dumbfounded. We have been screaming what an NBC is for 7 years and you are going to tell me none of them heard it?”

Note that last time I looked, the owner of this website has banned advocating on FR the “two-parent, US soil” NBC definition of MvH as a basis for declaring Ted Cruz to be ineligible.

That Vattel-aligned definition of NBC has been fully litigated in state court and SCOTUS has refused to cert any such cases and it has been resoundingly negated by the congressional certification of Barry as POTUS twice with no objections, despite having a UK subject as a father on the public record. The Barry precedent establishes that at a minimum so long as you are born on US soil to a US citizen mother you are eligible.

Whether Barry actually meets that precedent himself remains to be seen!


21 posted on 02/21/2014 9:53:08 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: DoodleDawg

Dems are pursuing a scorched-earth Alinski-Borking of all GOP candidates modelled after the non-stop negative framing of Romney that contributed to them winning the last election with no positive agenda at all.

Over on MSNBC the Dems have been attacking Christie non-stop for months even though he had no chance of winning the GOP primaries...simply because he was out-polling Hilarious in the early polls.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 9:58:57 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

I have maintained that the court has nor heard arguments to define NBC because the court has ruled in MvH. The court generally does not like to re-hash rulings.


23 posted on 02/21/2014 10:39:37 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Grayson belongs in an insane asylum.


24 posted on 02/21/2014 11:21:14 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: GregNH
Cruz never even hinted a presidential run

Anyone who doesn't think Cruz is running, and has been for some time, is blind.

25 posted on 02/21/2014 11:23:44 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Seizethecarp

Is there a sign in Kenya saying it’s Cruzs’ birthplace. There’s one for the queer in the WH? WHY?


26 posted on 02/21/2014 11:25:52 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Seizethecarp
A second problem remains that even if the birth certificate is accurate and authentic, it still leaves open the question of his “natural born citizen” status because it states his father was a Kenyan citizen, unable to confer “natural born citizen” status on his son.

Then wouldn't Farrah have the same issue with Ted Cruz? His father was a Cuban national.

27 posted on 02/21/2014 11:26:44 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

“Then wouldn’t Farrah have the same issue with Ted Cruz? His father was a Cuban national.”

The US Congress has nullified that interpretation of the Constitution twice with no objections in certifying the electoral college vote, so even though I personally object, it doesn’t matter what Farrah, and “two-citizen parent” NBC eligibility believers think, given that reaffirmed precedent.


28 posted on 02/21/2014 12:44:05 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Red Steel

“Grayson belongs in an insane asylum.”

Fortunately, Grayson also attacks his own party members that are to his right...which is ALL of them!


29 posted on 02/21/2014 12:46:46 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: GregNH

“I have maintained that the court has nor heard arguments to define NBC because the court has ruled in MvH. The court generally does not like to re-hash rulings.”

Not a single state or federal court has seen fit to rule that MvH definition of NBC is precedent (stare decisis) and neither has 100% of Congress. Both parties offered candidates in 2008 that violated MvH (and probably colluded to do so). So Barry’s public on the record birth narrative becomes precedent.

I am hoping that Arpaion and Zullo together can shake that narrative in a direction that upends that narrative and Barry’s eligibility. Screwing up Barry’s claim to eligibility is the only thing that I would regard to be “Universe Shattering” while certainly not “beyond imagination” (at least not beyond MY imagination!).


30 posted on 02/21/2014 12:53:02 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Vaduz

The left will enforce it on Cruz and block any attempt on Obama and

NOT BAT AN EYE

at the hypocrisy.


31 posted on 02/21/2014 12:56:15 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Seizethecarp
I am hoping that Arpaion and Zullo together can shake that narrative in a direction that upends that narrative and Barry’s eligibility. Screwing up Barry’s claim to eligibility is the only thing that I would regard to be “Universe Shattering” while certainly not “beyond imagination” (at least not beyond MY imagination!).

On this we can agree. With the hint of foreign student status that would mean he was not a native.

32 posted on 02/21/2014 1:12:14 PM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; ...
Great though my admiration for Senator Cruz is great, and I ain't kidding, the question of his eligibility makes me kind of itch a little.

So, I remain at my lonely outpost waiting for the black-robèd Scalia, Alito, et al to bestir their haunches and get a ruling on this Article 2 issue properly handled. They need to get two more of their bretheren to vote "Aye" on accepting one of the cases. It not as if worthy appeals have not reached the bowtied bumkissers of the SCOTUS. After all, they seem to have time for such nonsense as Gay Marriage and Obamanationcare. What are they waiting for? The Mombasa MF to appoint Maduro and Raúl Castro to the Court for Hatch, McConnell, and Susie Collins to consent?

WND wants to claim the Soetoro Presidency as a precedent? Isn't that just altogether charming? While I certainly care what they think, until Joseph Farah and the redoutable Dr. Corsi start cashing SCOTUS paychecks, their august opinions are just that: opinions, and INMNVHO, thus ipso facto no better than mine ... or yours ... or Ted Cruz'.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 1:17:23 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't let the aftershave and embalming fluid fool you. Many RINOs are actually dead meat.)
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To: clintonh8r
"You can bet that if Cruz is the nominee eligibility will suddenly become a big deal, whereas it was a non-issue in 2008 and 2012."

A non-issue because the republicans were scared to death of being labelled racist by the mainstream liberal media. Gutless cowards.

34 posted on 02/21/2014 1:21:50 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Seizethecarp

I wonder if he use forged documentation during the process, hence the preemptive impeachment emails floating about?


35 posted on 02/21/2014 3:54:21 PM PST by Garvin (When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight)
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To: Garvin

Here’s hoping!


36 posted on 02/21/2014 5:57:18 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: MrB

Hypocrisy is about the only thing they know.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 9:08:39 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Seizethecarp; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks Seizethecarp.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 9:45:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Seizethecarp

If Ted Cruz is more interested in usurping the Presidency (from the current usurper) than in upholding the Constitution, then he is part of the problem.

Legislators on both sides of the aisle must (and soon will) understand that this country requires a definition for “natural born citizen.” Hopefully, they are about to be forced to reckon with that stark reality.

The Constitution does not define NBC, but it DOES distinguish between “citizen” and NBC and that distinction has never been legally modified or neutralized so the Framer’s original intent remains in force, despite that the entire USG has dishonored the oath of office.

Cruz is not eligible to be POTUS - by a long shot - and neither is McCain, Rubio, nor Jindal.

If there is any hope for our country, this spring will mark Obama’s undoing. Once the fertilizer hits the fan everyone who helped him usurp the Presidency should be held accountable for ravaging the republic for the sake of avoiding being called a “racist” by an illegal alien.


39 posted on 02/22/2014 7:32:49 PM PST by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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