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Snowball Thrown at Officer Draws Felony for Boy, 13, Outrage From Residents
DNA Info Chicago ^ | 2-21-14 | Darryl Holliday

Posted on 02/21/2014 6:27:05 PM PST by RKBA Democrat

A day after a boy was arrested and charged with a felony for throwing a snowball at a police officer, students outside George Leland Elementary continued to build snowmen and throw snowballs at each other after school.

According to police, a 13-year-old boy was charged as a juvenile with felony aggravated battery against a police officer Wednesday after he hit the officer in the arm with a snowball while the officer was parked in his vehicle in the 4900 block of West Congress Parkway about 3:20 p.m.

Residents sounded off on the crime and punishment the next day, many describing the charge as police "going overboard."

"It's not fair," said Mary Grant, a longtime resident of the block. The boy "was being hardheaded, but that's very harsh. The officer should've tried something different than arrest."

The boy is believed to be a student at Leland Elementary School, formerly May Elementary, which sits at the southeast corner of the intersection near where the snowball was thrown. Officials at the school acknowledged that the incident occurred but declined to comment.

"I think that's ridiculous — it's such a big charge," said Latanya Powell, a construction worker on the block. "It's just going overboard. I can see if it were a weapon and harm was done, but it was just a snowball.

"This is a case of kids being kids."

Like other residents on the block, Powell wondered whether the charge would stain the boy's record well into his adult years, hurting his chances of finding a job, housing and education.

Often, findings on juveniles found delinquent do not remain part of their permanent record.

But according to Ray Fields, an educator and resident of the block, the charge and arrest were justified.

"If [the boy] had gotten away with it, who's to say what they'd do next? If it doesn't stick to them now, they'll be 16 or 17, and they'll have a gun," Fields said, adding that he has experience with local teens as a teacher and was the victim of a home burglary by neighborhood teens in 2010.

"If we as parents and educators don't teach them right from wrong, then what are we teaching them?" Fields added, arguing that the charge could help the boy change his ways before a more serious incident occurs.

Police did not provide further details on the case Thursday night.


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1 posted on 02/21/2014 6:27:05 PM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

No wonder Rand Paul wants felons rights restored.


2 posted on 02/21/2014 6:31:45 PM PST by plainshame
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To: RKBA Democrat

How much more serious can it become for the boy...a felony!


3 posted on 02/21/2014 6:32:02 PM PST by Shimmer1 (If fudge could sing, it would sound like Barry White)
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To: RKBA Democrat
then what are we teaching them?

That the police are not your friends...

4 posted on 02/21/2014 6:32:04 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Being charged with a felony and being convicted of one, especially at 13, are 2 entirely different situations.

While the felony charge is probably a bit overboard, punishing the kid for his actions is not a bad thing. When I was a kid, the cop just bringing the kid home would have taught enough of a lesson, but nowadays, that is more often a badge of street cred.


5 posted on 02/21/2014 6:32:38 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

You’d think he was a hot girl jogging with headphones, or something.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 6:32:41 PM PST by gaijin
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To: plainshame

and we all know that snowballs are like a gateway weapon. First snowballs, then guns....


7 posted on 02/21/2014 6:32:51 PM PST by Shimmer1 (If fudge could sing, it would sound like Barry White)
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To: Gabz

In my youth ( 50’s), pelting the local cops with snowballs was a right of passage, a way of counting coup as it were. Never even had a cop get mad about it ... often they tossed them back at us. Times have changed.


8 posted on 02/21/2014 6:36:06 PM PST by doc1019
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>> “If [the boy] had gotten away with it, who’s to say what they’d do next? If it doesn’t stick to them now, they’ll be 16 or 17, and they’ll have a gun,” Fields said,

Stop the snowball violence at once!!!

What an idiot.


9 posted on 02/21/2014 6:37:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If its a felony, what other snowball arrests have they made?


10 posted on 02/21/2014 6:37:59 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Hopefully rhe cop becomes a punchline in the department.


11 posted on 02/21/2014 6:40:07 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: doc1019

I would want to hear more about what actually happened..sometimes I remember that snowballs were made with small pieces of rocks in them or ice that could inure a person if it hit them in the eye..and the cop was in a cruiser..this may not have been a harmless little snowbal fight.
Just saying..there are usually two sides to a story, soemtimes three.


12 posted on 02/21/2014 6:42:33 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: bramps

I hope officer Pussy wasn’t too badly traumatized by the attack.


13 posted on 02/21/2014 6:45:16 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: RKBA Democrat

This is a case of police discretion....with a great deal of over-reach. All of us mondaymorning quarterbacks can think of six other ways it could have been handled better.


14 posted on 02/21/2014 6:45:21 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: RKBA Democrat; metmom

Ray Fields, an educator and resident of the block, is presumably part of the government school system, and represents another reason to home school.


15 posted on 02/21/2014 6:48:20 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RKBA Democrat
According to police, a 13-year-old boy was charged as a juvenile with felony aggravated battery against a police officer Wednesday after he hit the officer in the arm with a snowball

Next time, use a bolt gun, kid.

Make it a REAL felony...

16 posted on 02/21/2014 6:49:58 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

As a retired police officer (33 + years), I would love to hear the whole story as well.

Chances are it was just a snowball with an overzealous cop who thought it undignified that they should be disrespected in such a way.

It would seem that many young cops think they should be treated as gods or some such.

To much TV cop show watching can cause a misconception of what real police work is all about. IMHO


17 posted on 02/21/2014 6:50:05 PM PST by doc1019
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To: RKBA Democrat

When snowballs are outlawed only outlaws will have snowballs.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 6:52:37 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The only question I have is why in the heck is a 13 year old still in elementary school????


19 posted on 02/21/2014 6:52:48 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Gabz
While the felony charge is probably a bit overboard

Typical .gov gunthug intimidation.

Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. And so much more.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3125566/posts

The Youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw

The government is thugs.

20 posted on 02/21/2014 6:53:48 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: doc1019
You sound like a REAL police officer. Check out my last post, ESPECIALLY the video.

What the heck are they teaching these children in the police training academies?

21 posted on 02/21/2014 6:55:47 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Nifster
The only question I have is why in the heck is a 13 year old still in elementary school????

When I went to school, grammar school was K thru 8. High school was 9 thru 12.

There was no Middle school. It was, and still is totally unnecessary.

22 posted on 02/21/2014 7:00:39 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Sheriff Andy would have thrown a snowball back and had a good laugh. Deputy Barney would have nipped it in the bud with a good talking to. Today’s SS agents file charges and send the kid up the river. Times have changed and not for the better.


23 posted on 02/21/2014 7:01:29 PM PST by bgill
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To: RKBA Democrat

How about the kid’s dog .... was it shot before the arrest?


24 posted on 02/21/2014 7:01:56 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (On a good day Slow Joe doesn't do anything incredibly stupid ... waiting for that first good day!)
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To: doc1019

To much TV cop show watching can cause a misconception of what real police work is all about. IMHO...

Maybe it’s the steroids.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 7:06:51 PM PST by Hepsabeth
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To: Dalberg-Acton

A right to the jaw right out of the gate. Good one.


26 posted on 02/21/2014 7:08:10 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Shimmer1
Mac daddy is going to issue an executive order banning all snow ball throwing under penalty of law and is having crack team of administration morons see if there is someway he can ban snow as being raciest for being white.
27 posted on 02/21/2014 7:10:23 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Shimmer1
First snowballs, then guns....

I see you you caught that too

28 posted on 02/21/2014 7:10:57 PM PST by digger48
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To: Nifster

Forth grade.The most difficult 5 years of a(fill in ethnic group)kid’s life.


29 posted on 02/21/2014 7:11:18 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: doc1019

“Times have changed.”

Yes, they have. It’s not the ‘50s any more. Back then I’m sure it was understood as ‘all in good fun.’ Today not so much. Not so much at all from either end.


30 posted on 02/21/2014 7:11:33 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Farmer Dean

ah now see I suspected as much.


32 posted on 02/21/2014 7:15:52 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Gabz
RE :”Being charged with a felony and being convicted of one, especially at 13, are 2 entirely different situations.”

Hard to imagine this case resulting in a conviction.

His arm! Parents are right to show outrage.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 7:17:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: RKBA Democrat

To me it just shows how pathetic these wanna be ninja’s have become. I remember the days when we trusted and respected the police. Those days are LONG gone. TODAY’S COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND and NOT TO BE TRUSTED


34 posted on 02/21/2014 7:33:10 PM PST by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If it’s a felony to throw a snowball at a cop, why is it not a felony to throw a snowball at other kids??????

What a stupid, trumped up charge....

This cop ought to be too embarrassed to follow through with this sh*t.....


35 posted on 02/21/2014 7:35:53 PM PST by JW1949
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To: Dalberg-Acton
I hope officer Pussy wasn’t too badly traumatized by the attack.

Oh probably six weeks of paid vacation administrative leave pending the investigation will help him cope.

36 posted on 02/21/2014 7:38:21 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: RKBA Democrat

Well, the Policeman got to go home safe at the end of the shift, and that’s the main thing.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 7:45:56 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, Aggravated Battery, apparently. The same charge you might get for running somebody over with a car, right?


38 posted on 02/21/2014 7:49:42 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: F15Eagle

“A felony?”

Yup. At least he didn’t unload his magazine into the kid.


39 posted on 02/21/2014 7:54:49 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: doc1019
Never even had a cop get mad about it ... often they tossed them back at us. Times have changed.

You betcha. Beware, the beast rises.

Just birth pains. Upside downside up, wrong is right. It's the time of the great apostasy and the great rebellion, the two signs Paul spoke of.

40 posted on 02/21/2014 7:55:28 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Isa 5:20


41 posted on 02/21/2014 7:59:30 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Nifster
The only question I have is why in the heck is a 13 year old still in elementary school????

I was still in elementary school at 13 - and I was born in 1960.

43 posted on 02/21/2014 8:14:03 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: doc1019

Isaiah 5: “This is like deja vu all over again.”


44 posted on 02/21/2014 8:29:31 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: F15Eagle
I think we'll find out. Sooner rather than later.
And it will come upon us just as it did with Noah's neighbors.
45 posted on 02/21/2014 8:31:59 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: 2banana
then what are we teaching them?

That cops are cowardly bullies who are privileged above the mere citizen.

46 posted on 02/21/2014 8:36:05 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Nifster

Even discounting that this is Chicago, and therefore the kid probably got held back, it is possible:

Kid turns 6 just after the cutoff to start kindergarten, so has to wait one year, and thus is 6-7 in K, 7-8 in 1st, 8-9 in 2nd, 9-10 in 3rd, 10-11 in 4th, 11-12 in 5th, so 12-13 in 6th.

When I was in grade school back in the 80s, there was a 14-yo in 6th grade with me. His name was Samnang Sam, and he was a Cambodian refugee who had been brought to the US having never been to school before. I ended up playing left winger on the same junior soccer league team with him. They had him in at center, and between me and him, we won every single game. He’d steal the ball from the other team’s center, tip it to me, I’d run it down the sideline, kick it back in to him, and he’d score.


47 posted on 02/21/2014 8:48:12 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Shimmer1

They criminalize youthful behavior now. If you have college kids you will get a big dose of it. Since the drinking age is now stupidly 21, the drug use amongst college kids has skyrocketed. Also, most I know do not drink and drive anymore so they walk home or call a cab. For the walkers, the police are waiting for them to give them public drunk charges. It’s big money for these college towns and for the lawyers that are hired to get these asinine charges off their records. It’s a racket.


48 posted on 02/21/2014 8:49:52 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: clamper1797

TODAY’S COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND and NOT TO BE TRUSTED

It’s so true. I worry that they won’t call for help if the situation arises where one of their friends has had dangerously too much to drink. They don’t want to get all the charges so they just don’t call for help often resulting in a bad outcome. I don’t blame them.


49 posted on 02/21/2014 8:53:31 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: RKBA Democrat

Police are no longer “people” to be dealt with like normal human beings.

If you see a police officer, you should either walk briskly away, into your house if possible, and lock the door, or else just bow down and keep your eyes averted down until they have passed.

Oh, and be sure to lock up your dogs. Because police hate dogs.

And if the police knock on your door, sorry. If you answer the door, they will likely shoot you if they think they see something in your hand, like fingers. And if you don’t answer, they will break the door down and then shoot you, unless you send your dog out for a sacrifice, then they will probably just push your face into the carpet for a while.


50 posted on 02/21/2014 8:54:32 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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