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Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards aged 88, 92 and 94
National Post ^ | Feb. 21, 2014 | AP

Posted on 02/21/2014 7:08:04 PM PST by rickmichaels

BERLIN — In a series of home raids, Germany has arrested three men — aged 88, 92 and 94 — suspected of being former SS guards at the Auschwitz death camp.

The three elderly men underwent medical tests and then faced a judge who confirmed their fitness to be detained in a prison hospital, prosecutors said in a statement Thursday.

The men were suspected of having served as Auschwitz SS guards from 1942 to 1944 and of having participated in murders at the Nazis’ extermination camp in occupied Poland, where more than 1 million people were killed in the Second World War.

The three men lived in the south-western state of Baden-Württemberg, said prosecutors in the city of Stuttgart.

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1 posted on 02/21/2014 7:08:04 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Probably faster than Eric the Corrupt could act.


2 posted on 02/21/2014 7:13:39 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (On a good day Slow Joe doesn't do anything incredibly stupid ... waiting for that first good day!)
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To: rickmichaels; All

A few more years there won’t be any left.


3 posted on 02/21/2014 7:13:49 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: rickmichaels

Put them in a closed chamber and introduce Zyklon B and let them suffer what 6 million Jews and others suffered. Fitting punishment.


4 posted on 02/21/2014 7:14:00 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

>>Put them in a closed chamber and introduce Zyklon B and let them suffer what 6 million Jews and others suffered. Fitting punishment.

Shouldn’t they be convicted first?


5 posted on 02/21/2014 7:16:23 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: doc1019

There should be no statute of limitations for mass murder.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 7:16:34 PM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: doc1019

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust-ebook/dp/B0012D1DH8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393039129&sr=8-2&keywords=hitlers+police+battalions

Actually, only a portion were killed in the concentration camps. A larger number were executed by police batalions and burried in mass graves.


7 posted on 02/21/2014 7:19:20 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Bryanw92

Ok, convict them then gas them ...


8 posted on 02/21/2014 7:19:44 PM PST by doc1019
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To: rickmichaels

I don’t know if these guys are guilty or not, but at their age, they might actually look forward to prison. The state would then be required to feed, clothe, house them, and give them top notch medical care. I do not know what the answer to this is, but they will be taken care of.


9 posted on 02/21/2014 7:20:23 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: rickmichaels; gleeaikin

If they are really guilty, then that justice is way more than a little late.

None of my relatives who survived over 90 had a life worth living, they require(d) full time nursing care which is not pretty.

Take away the worst years of their lives?


10 posted on 02/21/2014 7:23:06 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Lisbon1940

In the US murder (mass or otherwise) has NO statue of limitations


11 posted on 02/21/2014 7:26:05 PM PST by Nifster
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To: rickmichaels

How come old gulag guards are never arrested?


12 posted on 02/21/2014 7:28:10 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Because Putin views the collapse of the Soviet Union as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.


13 posted on 02/21/2014 7:30:13 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: rickmichaels

And still the communists get a free ride...


14 posted on 02/21/2014 7:30:34 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: doc1019
I doubt Germany has the death penalty.

"Human rights" and all, tha knows.

15 posted on 02/21/2014 7:32:46 PM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: rickmichaels

When you think about it very few Nazi’s or SS were brought to justice. Israel really didn’t go after many at all. They knew they were living abroad in South America and in the USA and in Egypt and Iran now back in Germany. There were trade offs and deals brokered. Israel turned a blind eye for votes in the UN for recognition of Israel - crucial votes were garnered from South America. The US ran rat lines and took thousands for their expertise and who knows what else. Many Nazi’s of the higher ranks disseminated around the globe as early as late ‘41 and ‘42 as either moles or supposed German traitors to set up shop for after the war and the coming 4th Reich,(their version of a millennial dystopian reign). They had plenty of money that the central banks allowed to be transferred to them and one can see they were tremendously successful. How much we will never know. But Hitler and his occult SS comrades had plans for the future decades later that included bringing into submission the non-Aryan races and the second and third world peoples and countries. If he could see Obama now I’m sure Hitler would approve. Obama and the PTB also seek to set up a false millennial kingdom of their own. However, we know how it ends thank you G-d and Jesus.

Are far as these three old men - if things can be absolutely proven - okay - otherwise let ‘em be. The real bad guys got away scott free for the most part. Same as in the old Soviet Union - no one was punished and all the victims of incredible crimes against millions of people never received justice in terms of perpetrators being brought to justice.
This is the way of the 20th century - Let God sort it out come Judgement day.


16 posted on 02/21/2014 7:34:51 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Celtic Cross

True, true ... just a personal wish.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 7:35:02 PM PST by doc1019
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To: 2banana
How come old gulag guards are never arrested?

I was wondering the same thing. As bad as the Germans were, I believe the Soviets were even worse, but the Germans get all the bad press. Could it be that the many communists in America, and other countries, give them cover? I do not know, but maybe the rats need the gulag guards expertise in building American gulags, so they protect them. Who knows?

18 posted on 02/21/2014 7:49:20 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Nifster
In the US murder (mass or otherwise) has NO statue of limitations

Something for the current crop of wannabe camp guards to keep in mind...

19 posted on 02/21/2014 7:52:58 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Mark17

You think they might look forward to prison?

Are you insane?

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20 posted on 02/21/2014 7:57:39 PM PST by Mears
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To: rickmichaels

If I recall in the Daniel Goldhagen’s book Hitler’s willing Executioner’s there was not one record of any of the ordinary civilians or non-SS military guards refusing to work at the camps. Apparently they were given the opportunity to turn down the work when they were drafted or volunteered for camp duty. Excellent records were kept by the Germans and Goldhagen asserted there were no records of any refusals. Most were just ordinary people (or other foreign prisoners - often the cruelest) that went back to everyday life after the war. Goldhagen’s book is controversial because it paints a twisted picture of humanity and by association the average German citizen. Solzehnitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago or Alexander Dolgun’s story: An American in the Gulag paints just as bleak and twisted picture of many of the guards and interrogators in the Soviet Union. People don’t want to admit it but through an often decades long process of subverting a culture and people through propaganda and lies has an affect both collectively and individually that few will acknowledge after the wreckage and evil that often defies credulity.


21 posted on 02/21/2014 8:01:13 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: rickmichaels

It took Germany THAT long to find these clowns?

Something not very kosher.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 8:02:22 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: rickmichaels

Really?


23 posted on 02/21/2014 8:04:40 PM PST by skeeter
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To: rickmichaels

Communist crimes have gone unpunished.


24 posted on 02/21/2014 8:05:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: 2banana
How come old gulag guards are never arrested?

It's an interesting question... but it has a simple answer.

First, the organizers of the Red Terror. They were killed by their second in command, and that process was repeated several times. Yagoda, Ezhov, Beria were all killed by their replacements. The final replacements had relatively clean hands, since it was already 1954 or so. Khruschev and a few other Stalin's associates were directly responsible for thousands of deaths, as they signed execution orders. But after they were gone, the next generation had no such liabilities.

Second, the guards. USSR had conscripts serving for several (two?) years. They were rotated, and many soldiers went through the guard duty. Besides, they were not told who they guard - and their superiors made sure that the convicts do not talk to the guards. (It's always trouble.)

Additionally, the guards in GULAG were generally not involved in mass killings (those were done by NKVD officers, in prisons.) GULAG was a system of prison camps in very inhospitable areas. The guards were not responsible for doctors, weather, adequate food, housing, or work quotas. Often guards were minimally required because convicts could not escape the camp - there was nothing outside for hundreds of miles but snow, terrible cold, wolves and bears. The convicts, malnourished and not equipped, could escape only if they preferred to die in a snow bank just a mile away from the barracks. On the other hand, if they stayed they had a chance (20-30%?) to survive. As result, the guards were not particularly guilty of any atrocities; and they couldn't even refuse to serve, unless they wished to become convicts themselves.

The blame for Red Terror is universally assigned to the Communists who organized it all - Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin - and their henchmen, and their underlings who performed arrests, questioning, torture and executions. That's my understanding of history, and it may be wrong.

25 posted on 02/21/2014 8:06:10 PM PST by Greysard
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To: rickmichaels

They’re statistics at this point.
By the way...
http://www.valorstudios.com/franz-stigler-photos-and-video.htm


26 posted on 02/21/2014 8:20:16 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Sheapdog

Watching the breadth and speed of decay of todays American society, do you think if Christians were outlawed TODAY, that ordinary liberals of todays society would be any different?


27 posted on 02/21/2014 8:25:06 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Bryanw92

Were the 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jewish convicted?


28 posted on 02/21/2014 8:33:03 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: rickmichaels

And then there are some who get a free pass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxujYNp2q10


29 posted on 02/21/2014 8:36:54 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: 2banana
How come old gulag guards are never arrested?

My guess would be the the so-called intelligentsia in America and Europe (almost entirely liberal-leftists) are not interested in the crimes of their fellow progressives.
Remember many of these clowns supported the Communist's philosophy or had parents or mentors that did. It has always been my contention that had western Europe or the US fallen to Communism that many of these same "liberals" would have been the commissars, Kapos, camp guards and administrators who would have re-educated or shot the anti-communists.

30 posted on 02/21/2014 8:49:12 PM PST by Larry381 ("God is dead." (Nietzsche, 1885) "Nietzsche is dead." (God, 1900))
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To: Mears
Are you insane?

That is a stupid question sir, but I will still explain it, so listen up. I was in California prisons from 1988 to 2013. In a few cases, certainly not a majority, but some, who had outlived relatives, were in their 70s, 80s and 90s, who had many physical problems, who did not want to get out, because they had no support system. There was one 94 year old criminal, who had served his time, and though he begged prison authorities not to let him out, they put him at the gate and told him to go away. In a day or two, he took a header off a bridge. There were quite a few criminals, who were better off in prison than they were on the streets. They don't worry about food, clothing, shelter and medical care. Do they necessarily like it? No, they don't like it even a little, they just put up with the garbage, in exchange for the security. It is a trade off. Some feel this way, some don't. Any more questions?

31 posted on 02/21/2014 8:52:29 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

The men in Germany were taken from their homes,they were not inmates. I very much doubt that prison would be their preference.

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32 posted on 02/21/2014 9:01:55 PM PST by Mears
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To: 2banana

How come the gulag guards were never arrested?

American GIs never rounded them up.


33 posted on 02/21/2014 9:06:30 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Mark17
I'll backup what you are saying. My Wife did one of her years of public health payback at the Springfield, Mo Federal Medical Center (prison). It was not uncommon for prisoners to be released and end back up on the same floor and the same bed. They would get out, grab a brick and throw it into a Post Office window.

Everybody from the medical staff to the guards knew they would be back. The healtchare or more importantly the nursing care was all they had. That was not available to them on the outside.

Even though it was maximum security, it was the only home they knew and the only family that they had.
34 posted on 02/21/2014 9:08:09 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer
Even though it was maximum security, it was the only home they knew and the only family that they had.

I had criminals tell me straight up, they violated parole on purpose. They did not want another beef, but just did enough to get violated, so they could come back in prison for 6 or 7 months, to get some good food, gain some weight, get medical care, and a chance to get off the drugs. It was a revolving door. There was not enough to deter them from doing this. Three hots, a cot and medical care. As I said, they don't like it, but for some, it is the only security they know. Pretty sad I would say.

35 posted on 02/21/2014 9:28:28 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Sheapdog
Are far as these old men- if things can be absolutely proven- ok- otherwise let 'em be. The real bad guys got away scott free for the most part.

A few thoughts here if I may. I might mention that I myself was on the receiving end of a little bit of terror bombing in that war. Horrible to find out just who started the terror bombing. (laughs). Herewith my little homily.

The German people have been the object of much vilification of their forbears. True, many of their ancestors probably bloomin' well deserve all the things said about them. Still, the outrage of those who suffered and indeed their children included, seems to be dumped on the heads of Germans today.

How awful this must be for the Germans. Most of them born after the war of 1939-1945. The Germans had a thoroughness with which the British always attributed to them - even during both world wars. The Germans then react with an obvious intent, to show the world just how much they are filled with revulsion about the crimes of WW2.

No doubt they do not have the capacity to put themselves in the shoes of those they now charge. No doubt they all do declare as 'ow they would 'ave stood up to 'itler, if they were living at the time.

Few people today in Germany, could know the bone chilling fear felt by the average person. That fear of the Gestapo and other psychopathic authorities

36 posted on 02/21/2014 9:31:03 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: gleeaikin
A few more years there won’t be any left.

Not so sure about that. These "revelations", whether in Germany or here in the US, occur with surprising regularity, don't they?

They seem designed to reinforce in the public mind how evil the Nazis were by bringing it to the public attention, again and again, while the even more brutal Soviet regime is completely ignored. I do not think this is by accident.

37 posted on 02/21/2014 9:45:53 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Mark17

You are correct.

The Soviet Union “fell.” But many Communists moved into Western Europe and took over Greenpeace and other environmental groups. The Democrat party has been RED since 1968-72. The University Left in the U.S.—who are out-and-out Bolsheviks—got one of their own into the White House.

The Cold War is going on right now. And we are losing because only the TEA Party—and how many of them?—realize it.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 10:27:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Peter Libra

Your compassion and understanding takes my breath away.

I gained a new insight from you tonight, but I’m still mad and not forgiving.

May our good Lord forever bless and keep you and everyone you love, dearest Peter Libra.


39 posted on 02/21/2014 10:48:02 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Sheapdog

What about the Ukrainians like Demjanjuk? I don’t think they had much of a choice.


40 posted on 02/21/2014 10:51:18 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2banana

Vladimir will need guards when he reopens the Gulags if the anti-Putin sentiment really starts to take hold. He sees the old gulag guards as ready reserves. Putin having a hissy fit will make uncle Joes purge look merely unpleasant.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 12:48:10 AM PST by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: rickmichaels

When Israel said .....we will find them all.....they meant business irregularist of their age. Good for Israel...


42 posted on 02/22/2014 1:23:54 AM PST by goat granny (.)
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To: doc1019

Don’t suppose a trial to determine innocence or guilt is in order. Why act like the Nazis?


43 posted on 02/22/2014 5:30:37 AM PST by X Fretensis
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To: rickmichaels

I’m just curious as to where they are going to get witnesses to give testimony?


44 posted on 02/22/2014 5:50:29 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Mark17

You don’t think there’s going to be a difference in the thinking of the old folks already in prison (like the ones you knew) and the ones who were not incarcerated?


45 posted on 02/22/2014 5:58:56 AM PST by dmz
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To: sickoflibs
My mom turned 94 last November. She still lives on her own; does her own cooking and some of her cleaning. My brother and sister-in-law and their adult children help out. She just sold her house and is moving to an apartment so there will be no more yard work or snow shoveling. Sometimes she relies on people to chauffeur her around; sometimes she uses Metro Mobility for Seniors.

God bless her.

46 posted on 02/22/2014 6:25:37 AM PST by ContraryMary (Barack Obama = Neville Chamberlain)
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To: onyx
Your post had me actually blushing. Anyway I will take all the praise I can get, while it lasts. (chuckle).

The chilling thing for my generation- or a least those who really delved into the war afterward is the record. Not the place to go into it here, but the actual boasts by some of my countrymen who were in authority, are those of pride in deceit.

To carry on a war against civilized people needed propaganda. I will merely quote two book titles.

(1)Bodyguard of Lies.
(2)Masters of Deceit.

Of course Hitler and his ilk were unmitigated swines. Anyway, enough of a rant from me.

47 posted on 02/22/2014 9:13:52 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: ContraryMary

You are blessed to have a Mom at that age who can still enjoy life.

She still resembles the Mom that you remember,

That is a blessing.


48 posted on 02/22/2014 8:07:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Robwin; All

Agree people need to remember Stalin’s reign of terror. Today politically there are people urging Socialism, bragging about their Communist parents, and recommending seizing privately owned public utilities.


49 posted on 02/23/2014 12:43:01 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Peter Libra
The German people have been the object of much vilification of their forbears. True, many of their ancestors probably bloomin' well deserve all the things said about them. Still, the outrage of those who suffered and indeed their children included, seems to be dumped on the heads of Germans today.

Yet for some reason, Austria gets a pass. They are the ones who spawned Nazism, and some of the most fervent anti-semites in the Party were Austrian.

50 posted on 02/23/2014 12:44:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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