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Richland Medical Marijuana Patient Denied Concealed Pistol License [WA]
KNDU/KNDO ^ | Friday, February 21, 2014 | Michelle McNiel and Dee Riggs

Posted on 02/21/2014 9:44:37 PM PST by steve86

RICHLAND, WA-- A Richland medical marijuana patient recently applied for a Concealed Pistol License, but was denied by police.

Medical marijuana is legal under Washington state law, but the federal government won't make an exception for that when it comes to getting a Concealed Pistol License.

Richland police sent the medical marijuana patient a letter stating that federal law prohibits anyone who uses a controlled substance from "shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition."

And even if marijuana is legal here, it's still illegal at the federal level.

When anyone applies for a concealed weapons permit with Richland police, they have to follow these federal restrictions.

The woman who was denied the license wants to remain anonymous.

"It is hard enough to be judged as a patient, but then to have my Second Amendment rights messed with, that was shocking and incredibly upsetting," said the medical marijuana patient denied the license.

This patient says she uses the drug for chronic pain and uses products that don't make her high.

She says this license denial makes her feel like she's being treated like a criminal and not a legal patient and citizen.

She says she hopes a compromise between the state and federal laws can be reached.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; concealed; marijuana; pot; wod; wosd
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1 posted on 02/21/2014 9:44:37 PM PST by steve86
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To: steve86

Well, if it’s for safety. Let’s prohibit alcohol and tobacco users from owning guns!


2 posted on 02/21/2014 9:47:32 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: steve86

So they care about the federal law in one instance, but not the other.


3 posted on 02/21/2014 9:47:40 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: steve86

So she wants to smoke pot and carry a gun... I don’t think I feel comfortable with that.


4 posted on 02/21/2014 9:49:12 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: All

“federal law prohibits anyone who uses a controlled substance from “shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition.”

that’s why the inner city homeboys don’t use drugs, so they are able to get the licenses for their firearms.


5 posted on 02/21/2014 9:50:33 PM PST by willywill
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Well, if it’s for safety. Let’s prohibit alcohol and tobacco users from owning guns!”

It wasn’t about owning a gun, it was about carrying it concealed.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 9:51:17 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: steve86

Well, she can still open carry I would think.

And in the law it says “unlawful user or addicted to”.

Seems that she IS a lawful user (in Washington State). If she can show that she is not addicted, then perhaps she can get it looked at again. Something like: “I CAN use Advil for the pain, but it also causes problems like x,y, and z; whereas the pot doesn’t.”


7 posted on 02/21/2014 9:51:45 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: babygene
I'd rather she be stoned, than drunk!

Booze KILLS! It is TOXIC! It is ADDICTIVE. People DIE EVERY DAY from it.

/southern baptist upbringing.

8 posted on 02/21/2014 9:52:19 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: babygene

Doesn’t ‘prohibited from...receiving or possessing firearms’ cover “owning”?


9 posted on 02/21/2014 9:55:33 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I’ve never smoked it, but I thought I read it it could make you paranoid. Do you want someone like that to be carrying a gun?


10 posted on 02/21/2014 9:56:03 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: rawcatslyentist

It also impairs judgment a lot more.


11 posted on 02/21/2014 9:57:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: babygene

No evidence she was “smoking pot”. It is very possible she is using one of the non euphoria-inducing derivatives. Common among chemotherapy patients around here, especially children.


12 posted on 02/21/2014 9:58:36 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: babygene
It wasn’t about owning a gun, it was about carrying it concealed.

She also couldn't pass a background check on purchasing a gun. They have the same questions for that. If you can pass a background check for buying you can pass it for carrying.

13 posted on 02/21/2014 9:59:20 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: babygene
Do you want someone like that to be carrying a gun?

Lots of people do.

14 posted on 02/21/2014 10:01:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 21twelve
And in the law it says “unlawful user or addicted to”.

Even if she is not "addicted" (no one is actually addicted to MJ), she is still an unlawful user according to the fed. DENIED!

15 posted on 02/21/2014 10:03:36 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: babygene

Why?


16 posted on 02/21/2014 10:04:38 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: babygene

pot: makes you laugh, sleep and hungry.
I guess that could lead you to rob a convenience store for food, laugh about it all the way to the nearest bed.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 10:06:52 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

“why”

Because it’s a consciousness altering drug. To handle a gun you have to have your wits about you.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 10:08:09 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: steve86

The moral of the story is that you should keep your personal life away from the government as much as possible.


19 posted on 02/21/2014 10:11:11 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: steve86

Seriously, guns and dope do not mix any more than guns and booze.
.


20 posted on 02/21/2014 10:13:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: steve86

“..according to the Fed...”

Perhaps a “State’s rights case as well”, seeing as it IS lawful in WA. And not sure why the Fed would apply to a state concealed carry license either - but I guess it does. All of the states have very different laws and requirements for that. But I guess the Fed has a few rules that apply to all states?


21 posted on 02/21/2014 10:13:06 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: babygene

And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?


22 posted on 02/21/2014 10:15:49 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

“And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?”

No


23 posted on 02/21/2014 10:18:23 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: svcw

“And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?”

However if you carried while intoxicated you should loose your permit... IMHO


24 posted on 02/21/2014 10:19:52 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

No, she doesn’t want to smoke pot and carry a gun. It’s all in the article.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 10:21:08 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: babygene

Just because people may have a medical certificate, does not mean they spend their lives smoking pot.
Many people use medical pot for medical reasons, that does not mean they are high every minute every day.
It is the same with alcohol, people drink socially or to get drunk or because it eases pain, do you believe they should be deprived from owning a weapon IR concealed weapon?


26 posted on 02/21/2014 10:21:55 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: babygene

You need a toke. LOL (kidding)
Pot is very mild next to alcohol.
Been there, done that, don’t need it.

One quick point though, mix it with
alcohol, and your bombed.


27 posted on 02/21/2014 10:22:20 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: steve86

If we pause a minute we will collectively remember that the Federal Government has only enumerated powers... and cannot add more without a Constitutional amendment.

There is no enumerated power granted to the Federal government that allows them to make ANY law regarding any aspect of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.

Every Federal law limiting any aspect of the ownership of any sort of weapon is completely unlawful and even traitorous to suggest such a law, never mind vote for it.

Every congress-critter, senator, president and vice-president is violating their oath of office even discussing limiting any area defined by the 2nd amendment.

This lady should go down to that Sheriff and politely kick his elected butt for not knowing the constitution which provides for his job.


28 posted on 02/21/2014 10:26:50 PM PST by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: babygene

Fair enough.
However people who use pot should be held to the same standards - right?


29 posted on 02/21/2014 10:27:22 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: steve86

Federalism, except when we don’t allow it.


30 posted on 02/21/2014 10:27:41 PM PST by correctthought ("Obamunism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom" - Liberty Prime)
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To: babygene

How many people take anti depressants?
I recently took myself off them and during the discontinuation withdrawel
I was so damn edgy I had my wife take my guns and place them elsewere.

Why? Because I am a responsible gun owner and realized how the discontinuation was really messsing with my mind.

That is what I worry about.... Anti depressants and the people taking that
crap, it way worse the pot. Pot doesnt make you crazy, it just makes dumb and lazy. Like I said been there done that don’t need it. Same with alcohol.


31 posted on 02/21/2014 10:33:32 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I can tell.

You have stoner hippie liberal brain pattern.

Simple litmus test. Conservatives don’t smoke dope.


32 posted on 02/21/2014 10:39:37 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: babygene
Because it’s a consciousness altering drug. To handle a gun you have to have your wits about you.

It's a real toss up as to who I would be more nervous about having a gun: This cancer patient who uses pot that has had the THC (the "stone" component) removed, or a short-tempered dude who just drank a six-pack of beer and several shots of whiskey.

One is allowed to carry, the other isn't.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 10:40:36 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: steve86

People are addicted to pot.

Why do you insist in regurgitating hippie propaganda from the 70’s?


34 posted on 02/21/2014 10:41:52 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: right way right

Agree.

But a bigger moral is to not use dope.

It’s very bad for mental and spiritual health.

Why do you think the left loves it so much?


35 posted on 02/21/2014 10:43:41 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: steve86

The ruling is legally correct, whether you agree with the law of not. As a matter of fact, the local police department is acting with more discretion and reasonableness than the woman in question.

That’s the same section of the U.S.C. that prohibits convicted felons from possessing firearms, and each violation carries a maximum of 5 years (that’s for each firearm as well as each piece of ammunition. Convicted felon with a loaded revolver = 30 years if everyone in the justice system wants to nail said felon to the wall).

The local PD just denied her concealed carry application and let her know that federal law prohibits her from owning firearms or ammunition. That’s Officer Friendly right there folks, hand the local PD a solid case that you’re violating federal firearms laws and they send you back a polite letter letting you know that the feds might have things to say about your guns.

However, it would appear that the woman wants to keep shouting to the world that she’s committing felonies until someone somewhere decides to arrest her. Dunno about you folks, but I wouldn’t want to be that particular test case in front of the Supreme Court. Not just because guns & drugs are a thorny issue alone, let alone combined, but because generating standing involves getting yourself arrested and convicted.

Seems more rational to try to work to have the law amended by contacting the senators and congressmen in states that allow medical and legal recreational marijuana, outlining the issues with existing federal law, urging a change of title 18 section 922 of the U.S.C., and start a public advocacy campaign as well. That would likely have a better chance of success, and would involve less jail and/or federal prison time, than actively trying to get arrested and convicted in order to force the issue of GUNS&DRUGS on the Supreme Court.


36 posted on 02/21/2014 10:48:53 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: ifinnegan
Agreed.
The body of the believer is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
The one point I did not include on this thread is that the anti depressants
a I was taking were ones that my doc prescribed for diabetic neourapthy and they only dulled my senses, including spiritual discernment and that is the reason I discontinued them. I consider them quackery now. (and dangerous)
37 posted on 02/21/2014 10:54:17 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: right way right

Not today’s pot. A beer or a glass of wine and you’re fine but one bong hit of average super weed these days and an average user is incoherent.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 11:08:57 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: jameslalor
I've mentioned that I do DOT exams for commercial drivers.

It is NOT legal to use MJ, even "medical MJ" at ALL and get a license.

You have to yank the certification if the driver admits to it.

Federal law also prohibits anyone who has a diagnosis of active alcoholism or is on Methadone (for heroin withdrawal) from having a license, too.

Even if they swear they don't use while driving.

39 posted on 02/22/2014 12:15:21 AM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: Eagles6

That’s nonsense. Today’s pot is no stronger than the Acapulco Gold, Maui Wowie or Thai Stick available in the ‘70s. Good pot is only more common now.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 12:21:01 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: steve86

With legalization means more govt involvement.

The pro-pot legalization advocates will regret their advocacy eventually.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 12:23:12 AM PST by RginTN
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To: steve86

No wonder this Admin is so eager to get everybody high. Those puffing pot on a regular basis are instantly disqualified for privately owning guns. Simple plan, huh?


42 posted on 02/22/2014 12:28:12 AM PST by lee martell
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To: steve86

Sad, but unsurprising, that drug warriors love their drug war more than the Second Amendment. The Brady Bunch is laughing.


43 posted on 02/22/2014 12:48:59 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: steve86

Here is a simple solution/workaround to ALL firearms ownership restrictions, including those of medication, mental, or felony right loss...

Get a high powered air handgun and or big bore air rifle. These are totally legal for everyone in most circumstances. There are a few exceptions by State and City and none Federally. (Check the laws by State and City before rushing out to purchase. It is silly, but some anal retentive cities have illegalized the ownership of a simple Daisy BB-Gun).

Oh yeah...an irritated afterthought: many of you heavily opinionated people who call yourselves “Conservatives” on Free Republic don’t pass the “Scratch & Sniff” test. You are divided, thinking only “Within the Box”, with no compromise foreseeable. You are weak-minded people who enjoy beating a dead horse over and over, then put down your peers for doing the same thing. America is not divided...It is fragmented like broken glass on the ground...


44 posted on 02/22/2014 12:51:15 AM PST by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: steve86

To hell with the government and their permits. It’s your right. Just do it.


45 posted on 02/22/2014 2:37:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: steve86
They must really be torn - having to allow marijuana use even though it's illegal at Federal level 9so they ignore Federal law for possession) then having to submit to/enforce Federal law for the aspect that makes marijuana illegal when they can tie it to gun ownership.

Ignore Federal law or enforce federal law - what a conundrum......

It's working exactly as Holder and company planned - selective enforcement/ignoring of laws to suit the agendas.

46 posted on 02/22/2014 4:30:39 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: steve86

When you use, you don’t carry , period. (Alcohol or pot) Screw the law, just use common sense ( if there is any left). As for smoking while carrying, you’ll lose your aim with only a one-handed grip!


47 posted on 02/22/2014 6:54:47 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TigersEye

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/marijuana-grower-calls-todays-stronger-pot-a-win-win-for-everyone/


48 posted on 02/22/2014 7:34:41 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: RginTN

Best comment so far,Lee.

Fact is form 4473 ask about pot use when you purchase a firearm.

How I your right mind can you think you are safe with a Medical MJ card in your pocket?


49 posted on 02/22/2014 10:20:42 AM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: TigersEye
average user

Dude....

50 posted on 02/22/2014 10:25:12 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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