Skip to comments.Richland Medical Marijuana Patient Denied Concealed Pistol License [WA]
Posted on 02/21/2014 9:44:37 PM PST by steve86
RICHLAND, WA-- A Richland medical marijuana patient recently applied for a Concealed Pistol License, but was denied by police.
Medical marijuana is legal under Washington state law, but the federal government won't make an exception for that when it comes to getting a Concealed Pistol License.
Richland police sent the medical marijuana patient a letter stating that federal law prohibits anyone who uses a controlled substance from "shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition."
And even if marijuana is legal here, it's still illegal at the federal level.
When anyone applies for a concealed weapons permit with Richland police, they have to follow these federal restrictions.
The woman who was denied the license wants to remain anonymous.
"It is hard enough to be judged as a patient, but then to have my Second Amendment rights messed with, that was shocking and incredibly upsetting," said the medical marijuana patient denied the license.
This patient says she uses the drug for chronic pain and uses products that don't make her high.
She says this license denial makes her feel like she's being treated like a criminal and not a legal patient and citizen.
She says she hopes a compromise between the state and federal laws can be reached.
Well, if it’s for safety. Let’s prohibit alcohol and tobacco users from owning guns!
So they care about the federal law in one instance, but not the other.
So she wants to smoke pot and carry a gun... I don’t think I feel comfortable with that.
“federal law prohibits anyone who uses a controlled substance from “shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition.”
that’s why the inner city homeboys don’t use drugs, so they are able to get the licenses for their firearms.
“Well, if its for safety. Lets prohibit alcohol and tobacco users from owning guns!”
It wasn’t about owning a gun, it was about carrying it concealed.
Well, she can still open carry I would think.
And in the law it says “unlawful user or addicted to”.
Seems that she IS a lawful user (in Washington State). If she can show that she is not addicted, then perhaps she can get it looked at again. Something like: “I CAN use Advil for the pain, but it also causes problems like x,y, and z; whereas the pot doesn’t.”
Booze KILLS! It is TOXIC! It is ADDICTIVE. People DIE EVERY DAY from it.
/southern baptist upbringing.
Doesn’t ‘prohibited from...receiving or possessing firearms’ cover “owning”?
I’ve never smoked it, but I thought I read it it could make you paranoid. Do you want someone like that to be carrying a gun?
It also impairs judgment a lot more.
No evidence she was “smoking pot”. It is very possible she is using one of the non euphoria-inducing derivatives. Common among chemotherapy patients around here, especially children.
She also couldn't pass a background check on purchasing a gun. They have the same questions for that. If you can pass a background check for buying you can pass it for carrying.
Lots of people do.
Even if she is not "addicted" (no one is actually addicted to MJ), she is still an unlawful user according to the fed. DENIED!
pot: makes you laugh, sleep and hungry.
I guess that could lead you to rob a convenience store for food, laugh about it all the way to the nearest bed.
Because it’s a consciousness altering drug. To handle a gun you have to have your wits about you.
The moral of the story is that you should keep your personal life away from the government as much as possible.
Seriously, guns and dope do not mix any more than guns and booze.
“..according to the Fed...”
Perhaps a “State’s rights case as well”, seeing as it IS lawful in WA. And not sure why the Fed would apply to a state concealed carry license either - but I guess it does. All of the states have very different laws and requirements for that. But I guess the Fed has a few rules that apply to all states?
And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?
“And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?”
“And so does alcohol, would you prohibit people who indulge weapons permits?”
However if you carried while intoxicated you should loose your permit... IMHO
No, she doesn’t want to smoke pot and carry a gun. It’s all in the article.
Just because people may have a medical certificate, does not mean they spend their lives smoking pot.
Many people use medical pot for medical reasons, that does not mean they are high every minute every day.
It is the same with alcohol, people drink socially or to get drunk or because it eases pain, do you believe they should be deprived from owning a weapon IR concealed weapon?
You need a toke. LOL (kidding)
Pot is very mild next to alcohol.
Been there, done that, don’t need it.
One quick point though, mix it with
alcohol, and your bombed.
If we pause a minute we will collectively remember that the Federal Government has only enumerated powers... and cannot add more without a Constitutional amendment.
There is no enumerated power granted to the Federal government that allows them to make ANY law regarding any aspect of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.
Every Federal law limiting any aspect of the ownership of any sort of weapon is completely unlawful and even traitorous to suggest such a law, never mind vote for it.
Every congress-critter, senator, president and vice-president is violating their oath of office even discussing limiting any area defined by the 2nd amendment.
This lady should go down to that Sheriff and politely kick his elected butt for not knowing the constitution which provides for his job.
However people who use pot should be held to the same standards - right?
Federalism, except when we don’t allow it.
How many people take anti depressants?
I recently took myself off them and during the discontinuation withdrawel
I was so damn edgy I had my wife take my guns and place them elsewere.
Why? Because I am a responsible gun owner and realized how the discontinuation was really messsing with my mind.
That is what I worry about.... Anti depressants and the people taking that
crap, it way worse the pot. Pot doesnt make you crazy, it just makes dumb and lazy. Like I said been there done that don’t need it. Same with alcohol.
I can tell.
You have stoner hippie liberal brain pattern.
Simple litmus test. Conservatives don’t smoke dope.
It's a real toss up as to who I would be more nervous about having a gun: This cancer patient who uses pot that has had the THC (the "stone" component) removed, or a short-tempered dude who just drank a six-pack of beer and several shots of whiskey.
One is allowed to carry, the other isn't.
People are addicted to pot.
Why do you insist in regurgitating hippie propaganda from the 70’s?
But a bigger moral is to not use dope.
It’s very bad for mental and spiritual health.
Why do you think the left loves it so much?
The ruling is legally correct, whether you agree with the law of not. As a matter of fact, the local police department is acting with more discretion and reasonableness than the woman in question.
That’s the same section of the U.S.C. that prohibits convicted felons from possessing firearms, and each violation carries a maximum of 5 years (that’s for each firearm as well as each piece of ammunition. Convicted felon with a loaded revolver = 30 years if everyone in the justice system wants to nail said felon to the wall).
The local PD just denied her concealed carry application and let her know that federal law prohibits her from owning firearms or ammunition. That’s Officer Friendly right there folks, hand the local PD a solid case that you’re violating federal firearms laws and they send you back a polite letter letting you know that the feds might have things to say about your guns.
However, it would appear that the woman wants to keep shouting to the world that she’s committing felonies until someone somewhere decides to arrest her. Dunno about you folks, but I wouldn’t want to be that particular test case in front of the Supreme Court. Not just because guns & drugs are a thorny issue alone, let alone combined, but because generating standing involves getting yourself arrested and convicted.
Seems more rational to try to work to have the law amended by contacting the senators and congressmen in states that allow medical and legal recreational marijuana, outlining the issues with existing federal law, urging a change of title 18 section 922 of the U.S.C., and start a public advocacy campaign as well. That would likely have a better chance of success, and would involve less jail and/or federal prison time, than actively trying to get arrested and convicted in order to force the issue of GUNS&DRUGS on the Supreme Court.
Not today’s pot. A beer or a glass of wine and you’re fine but one bong hit of average super weed these days and an average user is incoherent.
It is NOT legal to use MJ, even "medical MJ" at ALL and get a license.
You have to yank the certification if the driver admits to it.
Federal law also prohibits anyone who has a diagnosis of active alcoholism or is on Methadone (for heroin withdrawal) from having a license, too.
Even if they swear they don't use while driving.
That’s nonsense. Today’s pot is no stronger than the Acapulco Gold, Maui Wowie or Thai Stick available in the ‘70s. Good pot is only more common now.
With legalization means more govt involvement.
The pro-pot legalization advocates will regret their advocacy eventually.
No wonder this Admin is so eager to get everybody high. Those puffing pot on a regular basis are instantly disqualified for privately owning guns. Simple plan, huh?
Sad, but unsurprising, that drug warriors love their drug war more than the Second Amendment. The Brady Bunch is laughing.
Here is a simple solution/workaround to ALL firearms ownership restrictions, including those of medication, mental, or felony right loss...
Get a high powered air handgun and or big bore air rifle. These are totally legal for everyone in most circumstances. There are a few exceptions by State and City and none Federally. (Check the laws by State and City before rushing out to purchase. It is silly, but some anal retentive cities have illegalized the ownership of a simple Daisy BB-Gun).
Oh yeah...an irritated afterthought: many of you heavily opinionated people who call yourselves “Conservatives” on Free Republic don’t pass the “Scratch & Sniff” test. You are divided, thinking only “Within the Box”, with no compromise foreseeable. You are weak-minded people who enjoy beating a dead horse over and over, then put down your peers for doing the same thing. America is not divided...It is fragmented like broken glass on the ground...
To hell with the government and their permits. It’s your right. Just do it.
Ignore Federal law or enforce federal law - what a conundrum......
It's working exactly as Holder and company planned - selective enforcement/ignoring of laws to suit the agendas.
When you use, you don’t carry , period. (Alcohol or pot) Screw the law, just use common sense ( if there is any left). As for smoking while carrying, you’ll lose your aim with only a one-handed grip!
Best comment so far,Lee.
Fact is form 4473 ask about pot use when you purchase a firearm.
How I your right mind can you think you are safe with a Medical MJ card in your pocket?