Skip to comments.Incredible graphic footage of Ukrainian protestors coming under sniper fire from government forces.
Posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:37 PM PST by rawhide
Incredible footage of brave Ukrainian protestors coming under sniper fire from government forces (graphic long video)
How long before we see the same thing here? Oh, and remember, this would be a two-way street here.
It won’t be a 2-way street here. Tyrannical governments don’t do this to an armed populace. The storm troopers of a fascist government wouldn’t put up their own hides against the fusillade of hunters and armed citizens. This will happen here AFTER they disarm us.
But how does one go about disarming 330 millions in a country this size? H-bombs won’t do it, drones won’t do it, you can’t draft enough soldiers, cops and mercenaries to do it.
I think my 300 Win Mag will make a pretty good sniper weapon.
2DVet, I respect you as a FReeper, as a veteran, as an American, but as a young conservative man of 34 years, I’ve watched, since I’ve been old enough to vote, as our federal government has incrementally turned the screws and cut us as a nation by one little pinprick after another.
If you don’t think they’ve already started playing the chess game to incrementally remove arms from the hands of Americans, you’re not paying attention. This isn’t going to happen the way the did it in Stalinist Russia or Weimar Germany. This is going to be a very subversive, slow, methodical march to total disarmament. It won’t involve door-to-door confiscation. There will be specific laws and regulations put into place that will make criminals of gun owners under the cover of executive orders and other unconstitutional means.
I’m not saying they’re going to use legal or overt maneuvers. They’re not that dumb, because they know that’ll turn into a hot war in no time. They are slowly making all of us criminals in some fashion. As Ayn Rand pointed out, they cannot control law-abiding citizens, so they’ll simply make us all criminals and rely on our own guilt to get their way.
It is now a simple matter to add items to obamacare, with the ARMED IRS overseeing the processes. If, for instance, the oligarchs put a provision into the ‘law’ that on any visit to the doctor you or your child must answer certain questions, the very act of having a gun in the home can be construed as a health hazard. It is the way these fascist bastards think! Regulations and provisions, and enforcement via withholding what you or your children need is all the force they need to fundamentally transform America! [ hmmm, now where have I heard that phrase before? ]
There have been over ONE HUNDRED MILLION additional firearms sold in America since November 2008, not to mention billions of rounds of ammunition. If their intent is to disarm us, they’re ****ing it up far worse than Obamacare. If Obamacare worked like their disarmament push, it’d cover every disease known to man, the doctors would come to your house and it’d cost $5 a month.
I’m not seeing panic in the ranks of the protestors.
In fact, I seem them trying to re-advance into position when driven out by heavy fire.
I believe I’ve gained a hella lot of respect for the Ukrainians. There doesn’t seem to be much of the coward among them.
It ought to give pause to our rulers, nicht wahr? And don’t think they aren’t studying these videos like they’re game tapes in Bear Bryant’s locker room.
And I respect you.
As a young man...you “get it” and give me hope.
I’m not saying they’re succeeding in the breakdown of sales, but at some point, I fear very soon, registration mechanisms are going to be put into place. If you’re buying your ammo online or using a credit card, they can already track what you’re buying, so they’re going to know.
All it will take is a judiciary filled with activist judges to sign off on no-knock warrants for houses “suspected of terrorist activities,” and our homes, yours and mine, become warzones with local and federal jackboots tossing flashbangs into our living rooms and killing our dogs.
They’ll use fascist means to terrorize the populace into submission. Just look at what they did in Boston after the marathon bombings, and people WILL comply. I’m not sure I could find more than a half dozen able-bodied men and women in my immediate neighborhood who’d be willing to stand up with small arms against an increasingly militarized police state with MRAPs, thermal imaging on helicopters, drones, etc. We can’t win those battles if we’re completely disorganized, and unlike you, I have no military experience.
Up to the minute twitter feed:
wow. God help them.
MRAPs can be defeated with $3 Molotov cocktails. You do know how to make one, don’t you? “Military experience” isn’t always needed. Obviously, you can read. Well, start reading, and I don’t mean comic books or Sports Illustrated.
There are about 116,000,000 households in the United States. How do you raid even 1% of those in a year, much less a night? There are far fewer police and military in this country than you might think and they have families just like you and I. They don’t want to die and they don’t want their family members to die or get hurt & harassed.
Wasn’t Ukraine lost to filthy muslims decades ago anyway?
I hope the comic books and Sports Illustrated comment wasn’t intended as a dig. I’m trying to be civil in this discussion, sir. I spend more time reading than most men my age, and the subject matter is political these days.
That said, I read a lot of men and women using the same tack that soldiers and police have families too, but I don’t believe that the majority of them think the way you think they do. Modern police forces believe they are indestructible, and when they meet a man who overpowers and/or kills one of their own, they come out with force multipliers in a shock-and-awe campaign to make most modern foreign militaries look like toy soldiers. While there are myriad “good eggs” in today’s police forces across our nation, there are an equal if not greater number of thugs infiltrating those ranks killing family pets and bullying citizens.
Obama’s already made clear that he intends to create a civilian army, likely culled from the ranks of poor urban blacks, and he’ll hand them arms and send them marching out of the ghettos and into our neighborhoods to terrorize us in the name of federal government control. While blacks and Hispanics still comprise a smaller contingent of the American populace than whites, I would still bet that white Americans wouldn’t fire back until it’s too late.
Most of us have been cowed into a false sense of security, and as long as our lights are on, the TV is flickering, the Internet works, and our cell phones are charged, the urge to stand up and physically put one’s body on the line in the name of Liberty is lost on today’s generation.
I’ve said it on FR many times, and I’ll say it again here: I have the stomach to fight, but I will not fire the first shot. I’ve already been a victim of violent crime at the hands of a thug wannabe. I will not allow my government to do the same thing to me.
They will try to disarm individual citizens by attcking them with full SWAT teams in the middle of the night, but they won’t get far before the word spreads and people band together to fight back. They can’t get 200,000,000 guns that way.
“You bring me the man, I’ll find you the crime.”
Lavrentiy Beria (Stalin’s tovarich for homeland security)
They’ll spread it out over long periods of time in geographically dispersed parts of the country. Do you think the media would report on large-scale confiscation raids? The government is already attempting to control the output. Your proposal relies on the word getting out that it’s happening in a way that Paul Revere would, well, revere.
The spin masters in the police departments would make it sound like they took down a criminal organization with an “arsenal” of “assault weapons” that likely pales in comparison to the stockpiles most FReepers have.
While I agree that firing back is the best solution, liberal activist judges, assuming you make it to the courtroom, would rule that you’re a terrorist, and you’ll end up in a concentration camp or solitary confinement. If everyone who fires back is killed but takes down one or two cops, the media byline would be that “homegrown terrorists” are “taking down cops with lethal efficiency” during raids to try to curtail “drug trafficking.”
I’m completely in tune with what FReepers are saying on this subject, but the realist in me has to believe it’s not going to be that simple. It never goes to plan.
But how does one go about disarming 330 millions in a country this size?
EASY.. Raids by death squads at night to certain known individuals.. they just disappear.. unless they WANT overt terror..
Like in Argentina and many other places..
Word gets around.. and the ever present block captain shills watching everybody..
Been happening in Cuba since the fiftys.. till today..
Pretty much everywhere.. some variation of that..
AS THEY deny they are ones doing it.. and blame somebody say the Tea Party.. as an example..
The progressives have become very good at insurrection..
They do it...... and blame someone else.. who they also kill..
Obama (and Ilk) are Americas WORSE Nightmare..
It’s coming cannot be Stopped..
This happened because the voting system was compromised several decades ago..
If you think 2014 or 2016 will help you’re totally delusional..
I ask no plead with you to take another “look”...
Look at Venezuela, only one side is armed, the government and its thug collectivos.
No, it wasn’t a dig. They feel indestructible now because they’re holding almost all the cards. In a cold or hot civil war scenario they won’t be able to implement shock and awe against their opponents, they won’t have the manpower, moral authority or the time to play that game. They’ll be scrambling to keep up. I’m sure you remember the “DC Snipers” don’t you? That was a man with a bit of military experience and a teenager he had trained. Multiply that by 50,000 and you’ll see why LEO and the National Guard will have their hands full. There are more DEER HUNTERS in some states than there are soldiers in the entire Communist Chinese People’s Army. What do all deer hunters have? A high-powered rifle with a scope, camouflage clothing, boots, a way to get to the deer, food, ammunition and tracking & survival skills. See the problem for the government?
You wouldn’t think this nation would allow the killing
of unborn children either and look where we are.
But hunting is a dying art in many parts of our nation, vet. It used to be a rite of passage, but the liberal media has destroyed the idea of self-sufficiency. Many new gun owners are buying their first guns and putting them into a lockboxes for a “just in case” situation. Few are actually going to ranges to hone their skills, and even fewer are practicing long-range or tactical maneuvers.
We can all agree that the Liberals are nothing but patient. They’ve enacted their dismal agenda on America over the course of the last 100 years, and only now are the cracks starting to show. It would only take them pulling back just a little to make the people feel like they’re not losing everything, regroup, and start from a different angle of attack.
That was my point in the first post: death by a thousand cuts. Over a few generations, they can literally breed out hunters, tracking, and survival skills. I didn’t go very far through Boy Scouts, but what I learned from there as a kid I’ve parlayed into adult survival courses and extensive reading on the subject. Kids today are not being put into outdoors groups like 4H, Scouts, etc. They’re being plopped in front of TVs with digital devices at hand and made to self-entertain.
This battle for our nation is multifaceted. The idea that taking down a nation is solely at the feet of gun ownership is foolish. We’re losing battles everywhere to the liberal media and a lazy populace more concerned about handouts than self-sufficiency. I try not to be a doomsayer, but things are looking awfully dim for our republic.
You can’t get into a range here.
That could mean two things: too few ranges or a Hell of a lot of shooters.
Sadly where I live, it’s the former not the latter.
Yes, and that is how they will do it.
“Common sense gun control”, “for the children” etc.
The joker in the deck is the military.
Yes, there are astro-turfs, Clintonistas and other forms if intellectually inbred thumb-suckers contained therein. But, they are the minority to a very large extent.
Much of the military, especially in the trigger puller dept, come from a side of our culture that won’t take kindly to our gov rough stomping on its citizenry.
That is, imo, one of the primary motivators for large scale draw downs of the military at this time by the left.
What the idiots don’t want to comprehend is that simply removing a man from the uniform don’t, necessarily, take the fight out of him, nor forever sever him from his uniformed social circle.
But, you are correct in being concerned. Nothing’s a given. And, no “rights” belong to any people who won’t stand up and fight to the knife, and knife to the hilt to keep them.
Those people have very large sets of brass ones. Standing up to all that firepower even while being flanked. Will Our people do that, when the test comes? I would like to say yes but only the testing will tell.
>>If their intent is to disarm us, theyre ****ing it up far worse than Obamacare<<
The left really doesn’t understand market forces. Mostly because they are immune. The “haves” just point and buy with money they could be giving to the poor. The “have nots” sit in their nests with their beaks open waiting for mama-gummint to come and vomit tax $ and resources into their mouths.
The obozo private army purchase of billions of rounds ramped up production capacity. Proper concern about shortages and mama gummints general uncaring attitude of prices propelled a brief shift in the demand curve which funded the new capacity.
Thus, we keepers of the 2nd Amendment now have more than enough rounds to keep the tyrants from swarming us — at least on a bullet-by-bullet basis.
In this day and age that is almost irrelevant. We don't depend on the news for all news anymore. nor do we trust the news. The government would have to bring down the internet if they wanted to keep it quiet, and that would paralyze the economy, and cause even more civil unrest.
I fully believe that Americans will go through a time like Ukraine or Venezuela. But it will happen after all these other countries go first. By the time it happens here, the people will have seen all of the tricks tyrants pull on their people in other countries, and it will happen differently than we expect.
Yes, we are seeing a lot of incrementalism in taking our freedoms. And Americans right now are acting like cowards, because we still have something to lose. But even we can get fed up, and when we snap, there simply aren't enough police, army, courts, or national guard to keep us down. I fully expect a couple of Waco type events, but this time with blowback that the government doesn't anticipate. The guns are important, as we can see in the footage of the unarmed in Ukrane and Venezuela being shot down. But it isn't just a gun issue. It will be massive civil disobediance of all kinds, up to secession movements of states. The police and troops will join the citizens or dissappear. Washington D.C. will become a very small city surrounded by a vast territory it has less control over than Afghanistan.
Sandy Hoax happened one month AFTER Barry's re-election, and one month BEFORE his 2nd term start.
NOW WASN'T THAT TIMED JUST RIGHT. HOW CONVENIENT.
This is easy. All you have to do is look at what happened in Massachusetts after there was an official “drill” during the Boston Marathon.
Look at Venezuela, only one side is armed, the government and its thug collectivos.
Good point.. America is quite different..
NOW is the time to organize a resistance NOT later..
But those that know how to do it... not weekend warriors..
Hopefully that is being done.. by a few not many...
The many will serve the beast as they always do...
I hope those that “can” are not waiting for somebody else..
If so.... we’re screwed.. like forever..
Who around YOU will serve the beast and who will NOT..
It’s good to know that in advance.. as much as is possible..
Like.. Who to talk to,, and who to guard you thoughts with..
The closest traitor MAY live right in you’re house..
TOO soon to think of these things?... I think NOT..
Kids, wife, parents?... it could be....
When “it” goes down... somebody you love may not really love you.. (much).. as you thought..
Demagogs have been happening for thousands of years..
History repeats itself because people refuse to learn..
And it WILL HAPPEN again.. sooner than you think..
I’ve been slowly watching this happen for 40 years..
What the John Birch Society warned about is happening ...NOW...
And you think the citizens of Texas, Arizona, Missouri or Idaho will act like the people in Massachusetts or New York? Oh, some will, no doubt. But most of them?
That “midnight knock on the door” approach would only work a few times. After that, the poor schmucks assigned to carry out these raids would meet resistance. No, the individuals who shoot back wouldn’t win their particular fights, but neither would the guy who went through the door first. That 10-man death squad would become a 9-man squad; then 8, then 7... Their masters would very quickly discover that they’re no longer able to find someone willing to be the first through the door. And they would reach that point long before they could make a dent in the American gun owner population. And then it gets worse for them. The gun owners they miss would probably start a few midnight raids of their own.
And this, of course, is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. It prevents the rise of violent tyrants by taking away the option of one-sided violence used against the People. You won’t see what’s happening in Ukraine happen here because it would never start. A million protesters armed with harsh language are one thing, but a million with AR-15s and AK-47s are quite another. No aspiring American tyrant would ever be willing to run the risk of provoking an armed uprising.
There are people here on FR who are screaming that Tsarnaev be executed even though he hasn’t been tried. There is no evidence that he killed anyone, only that he placed “bombs” which before detonation were tampered with by a Saudi Arabian citizen (and friend of Al Qaida and the Obamas).
Decent people can be channeled into hysteria.
“How long before we see the same thing here?”
Good question. WHY are they out in the streets in Kiev, but not in Washington, D.C.? Maybe we still have some faith left in our government institutions?
No aspiring American tyrant would ever be willing to run the risk of provoking an armed uprising.
Really Sooo you think Obama is not hoping and trying to prevaricate some form of insurrection So that he can declare Matial LAw..... DO YOU.. ?...
Looks to me like he’s doing everything he can to force this..
And he seems to be ratcheting up the pressure for this..
So far “the sheep” have Not bolted and stampeded..
But it’s coming.. AND if NOT.. He will produce a false flag operation to insure it.. it WILL happen..
By hook or crook... it may close to happening NOW...
Actually some of the recent mass murders may have been false flag events..
You know like the Kennedy assassination.. and the obvious Vince Foster affair..
Which were really just try outs.. test cases..
Armed uprisings by the rubes can be easily handled..
You don’t know much about tyrants do you..?
Cloward-Piven is absolutely BRILLIANT...
And working like clockwork.. thats is not “their” ONLY gambit either..
In this context, it's worth noting that over 85% of the gunowners in Connecticut defied the state law requiring registration of "assault rifles".
Thanks for all you’ve written in this post. Excellent.
It was hard to watch. Wish I could've been there with my damn rifle. That sniper would've paid.
It was hard to watch. Wish I could've been there with my damn rifle. That sniper would've paid.
makes me want to turn any guns I may have over to our own over reaching federal gub mint.
This will happen here WHEN the over reaching HATED federal gub mint attempts to confiscate our guns.
“It really gave me a real view of how committed the Ukrainian protestors are...”
Yes - RIP. I hope that they have not died in vain, and that the freedom they hopefully gain does not lead them into other chains. But it is amazing what a mass of committed people can do - even mostly unarmed and untrained.
Their president gave into all of their demands, released the former PM that was imprisoned, the police are gone, and he has reportedly fled the country.