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Plan to divide California into 6 states advances
Yahoo News/AP ^ | 2-21-14 | MICHAEL R. BLOOD

Posted on 02/22/2014 1:32:05 AM PST by kingattax

California has reached the breaking point, says Tim Draper. The Silicon Valley venture capitalist is pushing a proposal to crack the nation's most populous state into smaller pieces — six of them.

California has grown so big, so inefficient, it's essentially ungovernable, according to a ballot initiative that could reach voters as early as November.

It has to go, he says.

"Vast parts of our state are poorly served by a representative government," according to Draper's plan, which cleared a key government hurdle this week, part of the process to qualify for the ballot. California residents "would be better served by six smaller state governments."

In an interview Thursday, Draper said he has seen a state once regarded as a model slide into decline — many public schools are troubled, transportation, water and other infrastructure systems are overmatched and outdated, spending on prisons has soared.

A group of states could change that, he said, competing and cooperating with each other.

Without change "it will get worse," he warned. "California is not working."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: sixcalifornias

1 posted on 02/22/2014 1:32:05 AM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Never happen.

Congress will not approve it.

Going from 2 Senators to 12?

I don’t think so, Tim.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 1:35:30 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: kingattax

“Vast parts of our state are poorly served by a representative government,”

Any gov of leftists will be a disaster, regardless of how large an area or how many people live in that area.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 1:45:31 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: djf

12 more democrat senators. NO THANKS.

How about push for conservative candidates instead? Throw all your money behind that. Then you will see real change.


4 posted on 02/22/2014 1:48:37 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Not out of Draper. He put his money behind Obama in 2008 and never looked back. And that was after his association with Dubya too.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 1:51:37 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: FreedomStar3028

Actually no. It wouldn’t, except for very short term.

The media, the education system, and all that is so horribly compromised that the state would revert back to leftist norm within one election cycle, at the very least.

This might get me in trouble, but heck, gonna say it anyway.

There is no peaceful solution anymore. The destructionists have been given too much for too long and there’s no taking it back by reasonable means.


6 posted on 02/22/2014 1:54:28 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: djf

I would say this. If they could get enough votes from the whole state and get this passed....then it would create a tide of interest in twenty other states (New York state already talks of interest, as does Colorado, Maryland, plus Florida and Arizona both could generate enough interest to split into two states each).

The point is...several states are bundled up now for failure of a massive type. Because of the political divisions now....lack of general agreement...and state lobbyists...division is the only practical answer left.

My suggestion would be...allow the six states of California to go forward (if they vote for such), with a five-year implementation period, and allow other states to meet the same five-year window period.

We could be talking of eleven states arriving, with twenty-two new Senators. If you think the Senate is a failure today with one-hundred senators.....just toss another twenty-two on top of that.

I will add this...if there ever was an opportunity for a third party...it’d be with three or four new states appearing with Tea Party or Independent Senators.

This would also have an effect on the Electoral College....making California more questionable. At least half of the new California states would be Republican-leaning (my belief).


7 posted on 02/22/2014 1:56:48 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: kingattax

Nope, this will never happen. Not with the current rules. Too bad the Founders didn’t make it easier.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 2:01:38 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: kingattax

So instead of f***ing up one big state, the same people will f*** up six smalller states.

Great idea.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 2:01:56 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: kingattax

If southern Oregon and norther California could ever become Jefferson, I would move there. I love living in Oregon, but the libtards run everything.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 2:04:19 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: kingattax

OH MY GOD!!! THEY’RE MULTIPLYING!!!


11 posted on 02/22/2014 2:04:37 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Uh, so-called conservatives hold a majority in the House. What have they been waiting for?


12 posted on 02/22/2014 2:26:22 AM PST by onedoug
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To: kingattax

Here’s an easier reset. Socialist legislators could sign a Declaration of Dependence with their socialist, low-information and FSA voters, deceased voters and fascist/corrupt businessmen. Then they could tax and harass each other into prosperity. The rest of the citizens could have most of their taxes eliminated and they would be left to enjoy their productive lives. (maybe that would require some physical separation)


13 posted on 02/22/2014 2:29:08 AM PST by PGalt
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To: onedoug

The best thing that could happen is the country divided into 100 to 200 states, and having States Rights... taking power away from our Central Government.

Won’t happen, but that would be the best solution... we’d have massive competition, cross border tax advantages would grow like crazy, and it would be interesting to see what corrections could be made to deal with the out of control abuse of the 10th amendment.


14 posted on 02/22/2014 2:32:13 AM PST by Ombudsman
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To: kingattax

Part of a plan to retroactively make Obunga correct regarding 57 States. Which includes splitting NY into 3, Texas into 4, merging RI and CT and also DE with MD.....I’m getting confused as to what else....


15 posted on 02/22/2014 3:06:49 AM PST by Tucker39 ("Having their conscience seared with a hot iron.")
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To: djf

I might consider it, if the seventeenth amendment was nullified. It is unconstitutional in my mind to on the one hand change from state legislature elected Senators, with a directed six year term, to direct elected representatives, and not change the term of office to reflect what the Constitution directs for representatives. That would be two years.

Nullifying the amendment would then place recall of Senators back on the table as well as turn their primary interest from representing, to guarding the interest of the sovereign state from which they are sent, and if they refuse to do so they are able to be immediately recalled. The issue would be what states would go along with nullification. Perhaps only red and only a portion of those.


16 posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:46 AM PST by wita
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To: Tucker39

Give West Camden (formerly known as Philthadelphia) to the People’s Republic of New Jersey.

Both states will be improved.


17 posted on 02/22/2014 3:22:51 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: kingattax

What will remain is the same the most prosperous of them will still be paying for the entitled


18 posted on 02/22/2014 3:31:00 AM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: kingattax

They should not carve California into 6 different states.

They should carve it off of the United States.....PERIOD!


19 posted on 02/22/2014 3:39:45 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: djf

It sounds to me like they’re trying to Balkanize California: put the white moonbats in one section, put the Hispanics in one section, put the blacks in one section, and put the Asians in one section. But that doesn’t work in America, because we’re all so totally assimilated. We all interact with each other, and we all like each other. And we all have the opportunity for upward mobility. One of my friends at school once told me that his great-grandfather helped to build the Golden Gate Bridge, way back in the bad old days when they were importing cheap slave labor from China. Now his family owns a popular oriental restaurant in central Florida, and he is the second generation of his family to go to college. I can relate in a way. I am black, and the Civil Rights era of the 1960’s was brutal for my grandparents. But it was an unstoppable juggernaut that no evil racists politician could stand in the way of. Did you know that there was once a “law of the land” that made it illegal to teach black people how to read? Even back then they knew that knowledge is power.


20 posted on 02/22/2014 3:40:38 AM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: PGalt

Declaration of Dependence

oooooh that is good, I can see it, but it would need to be financed by taxpayers, and if nothing else brought sanity to the idea you balance a budget and don’t spend your way into prosperity, this idea would in short order.

Those on the payer side would revolt, or as you put it, necessarily be physically separate actually perhaps physically surround the others so none escape the results of their Declaration, which would be instant uncivil war.

No one desires uncivil war, but why involve the party that knows the value of money, work, property, and human rights. Let the other party hash that out, and then maybe we can get on with life as it once was.

It seems on the face of it that this involves primarily cities/cesspools, vs those who produce and or provide the food and water that sustains them. It is unfortunated that many good folks live within the boundaries of said cities because of employment.

Great idea, and deserves more thought.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 3:41:04 AM PST by wita
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To: wita

Don’t know how after reading and rereading that unfortunated escaped.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 3:46:18 AM PST by wita
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To: djf

“Never happen. Congress will not approve it.”

Then, whether red or blue “states”, maybe they should opt to just stay out. Given how things are today, why stay in?


23 posted on 02/22/2014 3:47:00 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: kingattax

It could almost be a good thing but ONLY under the condition that 5 other states get absorbed so that we stayed at 50. RI, DE, VT, CT, NH.

We would lose the potentially conservative NH, but gain a likely conservative East CA state.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 3:54:34 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: kingattax

One criteria must be met before any of this happens. The initial balance of senators will have to be maintained; six Dems and six Repubs.


25 posted on 02/22/2014 3:56:15 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V OR 9th plus 10th equals V)
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To: kingattax

And even if this ballot passes, I am sure that some judge will rule unconstitutional.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 3:59:54 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V OR 9th plus 10th equals V)
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To: kingattax

Going to extremes to cover obamas butt for his “57 states” remark.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 4:06:02 AM PST by jughandle
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To: wita
Don’t know how after reading and rereading that unfortunated escaped.

Sheesh, wita. Don't give the lexiCON artists of the left another downtrodden collective, The Unfortunated - those without fortunes. They'll be no escaping that gang.

28 posted on 02/22/2014 4:41:34 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt

They’ll

(How did that escape. This stuff’s contagious.)

: )


29 posted on 02/22/2014 4:46:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: djf

“Going from 2 Senators to 12?”

Your assumption being 12 rat senators? If you took Frisco and LA out of the equation, you might find a few Republican senators in the mix.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 4:57:25 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: kingattax

Yeah, big states are the problem.... look at Texas. Oh, wait, that’s not a good example. Look at any state run by Marxists, regardless of size.


31 posted on 02/22/2014 5:00:11 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: PGalt

I still contend, despite the contagion, it’s a great idea that time and conditions have caused to surface.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 5:01:15 AM PST by wita
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To: Grimmy
This bears repeating:

There is no peaceful solution anymore. The destructionists have been given too much for too long and there’s no taking it back by reasonable means.

However, I disagree with your use and context of the term "reasonable". I argue that there is legitimate and well thought out reasoning behind armed revolt... Our history as a nation, the war for independence, stands as proof of this.

33 posted on 02/22/2014 5:14:40 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Tucker39
Part of a plan to retroactively make Obunga correct regarding 57 States. Which includes splitting NY into 3, Texas into 4, merging RI and CT and also DE with MD.....I’m getting confused as to what else....

That is exactly where I was going with that as well - anything to make anything Obama say true.

34 posted on 02/22/2014 5:19:26 AM PST by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: kingattax
I have no problem splitting California, Oregon and Washington into eight new Mexican and Canadian states. San Fran and north to Canada, south to Mexico. Reduces Progressive Socialists, a.k.a. DemocRats population in Congress AND electoral college.
35 posted on 02/22/2014 5:22:21 AM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: kingattax
Why does this idea bring to mind a staph virus multiplying in a petri dish...


36 posted on 02/22/2014 5:24:11 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: PGalt
Socialist legislators could sign a Declaration of Dependence with their socialist, low-information and FSA voters, deceased voters and fascist/corrupt businessmen.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 5:26:09 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: DH

Six states would be too many—how about just two? North and south California? We in the south are very different from the folks up in the Bay area—we don’t mind if you call LA—LA. Up there they have a fit if you call Frisco—well, frisco. In South California we could make Santa Barbara the state capital! Our Motto “Kawabunga!” the state rodent Mickey Mouse. We could legalize gambling like Nevada and lower the drinking age to 18—maybe legalize Pot. Then, take all the restrictings and crippling Union rules off Hollywood so it could be great again. Hey, maybe they would move the Tonight Show back to the west coast.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 5:41:01 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

How about we make Jay Leno Governor! We could even declare a unilateral Declaration of Independence from North California! Maybe do it on April First. With The provisional Governor Jay Leno, Lt Governor, Kelsy Grammer. perhaps you have some ideas for the new state of South California?


39 posted on 02/22/2014 5:47:52 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Rodamala

“However, I disagree with your use and context of the term “reasonable”. I argue that there is legitimate and well thought out reasoning behind armed revolt... Our history as a nation, the war for independence, stands as proof of this.”

I don’t find anything in what you said to disagree with.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 6:12:10 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: kingattax

Florida needs to be divided into three states...


41 posted on 02/22/2014 7:01:43 AM PST by GOPJ ("Great powers are driven by a mixture of confidence and insecurity.")
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To: kingattax

We edge closer to making one of Obama’s quotes close to realistic, how he visited 57 states... Though, I’m sure he didn’t visit all the regions in CA that may become separate states.

The man lies when the truth will do. Can’t help himself.


42 posted on 02/22/2014 7:18:31 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Rodamala

We could finally get to 57 states!! (if it kept happening)


43 posted on 02/22/2014 10:02:39 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Veggie Todd

I would think if California or any state were divided into 2, 4, or 6 states, with 1/2 of them Republican and 1/2 Democrat, that the Congress could well approve it.

It might also be grounds for the Ninth Circuit to be broken up.....of course Dems might reject that part of the deal.


44 posted on 02/22/2014 12:07:25 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

More like East and West, actually.

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/House/2012/CA

Now yes, Orange, Riverside, Ventura, and exurban San Diego can be somewhat Republican.

28 Safe Rat seats, 10 lean Rat, 2 lean Pub (could put 31 Gary Miller into lean Rat), 13 safe Pub seats.

Possibly you could do 3 states...Rats would keep their +2 advantage in the Senate. LA-Orange-San Diego would be one (Rat) state, then the north coast would be another Rat state, with the interior being the Pub state.

In exchange for getting some Republican territory in Orange county (which would be outvoted but pay a disproportionate share of taxes), maybe Democrats would allow the 9th circuit to be split up.


45 posted on 02/22/2014 1:15:52 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack

10 more Dem Senators, just great


46 posted on 02/22/2014 1:17:06 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

If it’s a 5-1 split, no way will it be approved. If it’s a 1-1 or a 2-1 split it might be approved.

Dems would be losing 15-20 EV’s....so they might not go for splitting up the 9th circuit.


47 posted on 02/22/2014 1:21:22 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: kingattax; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

What are Draper’s boundaries like?


48 posted on 02/26/2014 9:00:36 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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