Skip to comments.Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America? Location of Fort Caroline may be in Georgia
Posted on 02/22/2014 3:38:46 AM PST by Makana
In an announcement likely to rewrite the book on early colonization of the New World, two researchers have proposed a location for the oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America.
They believe that the legendary Fort Caroline, a long-sought fort built by the French in 1564, is located near the mouth of the Altamaha River in southeast Georgia.
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This could be trouble.
Old stuff ping
Cool post, I hope the archaeology freepers show up to flesh this out.
Looks like it....they found some sort of structure from a collection of different maps and references of the era. They have not, as yet, excavated it.
In 1565, Spanish soldiers under Pedro Menéndez marched into Fort Caroline and slaughtered some 143 men and women who were living there at the time.
Some fort, eh?
I am not sure why. This discovery wont change the date of the settlement at Plymouth and it wont change the fact that it wasnt the first in North America.
... then there’s still time to pave over it and put a gas station at that site???
This puzzled me, but now I get it.
“”In 1565, Spanish soldiers under Pedro Menéndez marched into Fort Caroline and slaughtered some 143 men and women who were living there at the time.””
Maybe....but I’d make it a Home Depot...that way there’d be a place for the illegals to hang out and stump for day labor jobs....better for the economy...
Come now everyone by now knows that Leif Erickson founded Minnesota long before Columbus, the Pilgrims and the French. Ft. Caroline will not change the facts about Plymouth.
Plymouth Bay is the only surviving colony settlement. Were they wanting to settle further south. What ever happened to the other colony settlement they were heading to. There was another settlement too Jamestown, which would have preceded Plymouth, but it did not survive.
visited Jamestown a few years ago. fascinating. i’m guessing the difference was mosquitos as thats what took them out. being north of here had an advantage
"This map serves as a 'Rosetta Stone' since it provides a common, known geographical point on all early maps of 'French Florida,'" he said. The Rosetta Stone was an inscribed rock found by the French in Egypt that allowed the translation of ancient hieroglyphics into modern languages.
Using the known GPS coordinates derived from the English map, Crowe was able to propose the location of dozens of Indian villages that up until now have eluded scholars and archaeologists.
Wait.... our schools have now gotten so bad that the author actually needed to explain what the Rosetta Stone is?
I was being sarcastic! Nothing will stop these people from organizing a parade.
Fort located near the mouth of the Altamaha River?
Satellite imagery shows a unrealistic place to build a fort.
This is another encounter South of St.Augustine.
If they slaughtered 150 young men and women who created and owned the place, then it must have been for a good reason.
Key to this story vs your comments, “first fortified” as in number one........none before it.
Jamestown was established in 1607 what was then the Virginia colony and it most assuredly did survive, if only barely. It remained the capital of the Virginia colony until 1699, when the capital moved a bit up the river to Williamsburg.
Jamestown thus predates Plymouth by some 13 years as the oldest permanent English-speaking colony in North America.
They didn’t use satalittes back then. ;-)
Interesting in that Fort Caroline National Memorial is located on the
St. Johns River east of Jacksonvill, FL.
Keep in mind that the Inquisition was going strong at the time, throw in politics, generally nasty dispositions, to say nothing of fleas, halitosis and jock itch and things got messy.
History is truly hard.
I vote for Acoma Sky City, Acoma Puebla, New Mexico as the oldest continuously inhabited village in North America.
What kindofa name is Pedro Menéndez? I bet he was here illegally.
He was a French Hugenot that made the three voyages to and from the colony at Fort Caroline in the 1560's. In spite of the fact the article says " "The inability to find the fort has made some wonder if it ever existed." There can be no legitimate wonder because of this book. It is first hand primary source.
In 1854, Kirk Monro wrote a book titled "The Flamingo Feather". As a boy, I read it over and over. It is essentially a fictional account of the events descried in "Three Voyages"
As an adult I have made numerous backpacking trips to the Cumberland Island National Sea Shore. One of the reasons I was drawn to that island was the creepy feeling that I was treading the ground described in the Flamingo Feather. I did extensive research to place Fort Caroline at the St Mary's River estuary. The St Mary's river provides the access to the great swamp the books describe. That would be the Okefenokee Swamp.
The Fort Caroline was captured and destroyed by the Spanish marching Overland from St Augistine. That fact is well known and is certain. The distance to the river of May in Florida at Jackonsville and the USNB at Mayport from St Augistine is much shorter and believable than to either Fernindina/Cumberland Island or the Altamatha River estuary.
I have no doubt there was a site discovered. I would doubt it is Ft Caroline. BTW, the Fort Caroline National Historical Park was established in 1966 on land given to the park service for the establishment of the park. There was nothing there that actually drew the park service.
Leif Erickson didn’t make it to Minnesota. The settlement he founded was on the Atlantic coast. The Kensington Runestone, a supposed artifact dating from the fourteenth century that indicates a Scandinavian presence in Minnesota at the time, is widely believed to be the product of a hoax or prank.
I have 2 different 14th great grandfathers who arrived in Jamestown before 1615. One is John Rolfe, who married Pocahauntas.
The Spaniards landed at what is now St Agustine. They established their fort and colony there after destroying Ft Caroline
——Plymouth Bay is the only surviving colony settlement-—
Except for St Augustness and the even older Santa Fe
The French were protestants, the Spaniards were Catholic..... simple as that
Then you definitely have the credentials to be an FFV!
That prize goes to the Hopi village Orabi
“Old Oraibi is one of four original Hopi villages, and one of the oldest continuously inhabited villages within the territory of the United States. In the 1540s the village was recorded as having 1,5003,000 residents
Widely believed is now less widely. Contemporary research has cast doubt on earlier linguistic analysis that the language on the stone couldn’t have existed in the 14th century.
actually they found remains of a Fort Caroline in South Carolina a few years ago...
It was triangular in shape...
we had a speaker at a Huguenot luncheon a few years ago who told us the history and had engravings from a book about it..
and there was a Huguenot fort in Florida..
If the Catholic Spaniards had not wiped out the Protestant French in Florida, we would be celebrating Thanksgiving based on that 50 years earlier colony...
The Spaniards killed the Huguenots at both forts..
BTW there was big doings last year in Florida for the 450th anniversary of the arrival of the Huguenots in Florida..
PING to #36
The fort builders to JJ: “Now ya tell us”
And Florida had settlements long before that.
Not only that, his explanation was wrong.
The real, 100% genuine Rosetta Stone is a company that uses disgustingly repititious TV commercials to peddle over-hyped, virtually useless language-learning software!
Isn’t Mexico part of North America?....Mexico has the ruins of fortified settlements dating back at least 6000 years
ST Johns, New Foundland was settled in 1497.
The Spanish had a Mission in the St. Catherine’s area here in Georgia in 1521. I have held (ok it was in a box and I held the box) an authenticated 1524 Spanish Coin found in Liberty Co, Ga about 20 years ago.
If interested in the topic, look up works by David Hurst Thomas. He found and excavated the Mission from the early 1500 and wrote a several books about it (I got him to sign them the same day as the coin).
The Georgia coast is full of history. This is just one more star.
Everybody knows what Rosetta Stone is.
It’s a foreign language program advertised on late night TV. Comes on CD’s.
“...men and women who created and owned the place...”
“They didn’t build that.”
Fort King George is located at the mouth of that Delta in Darien.
In October of 2008, I was traveling back to Florida from New Jersey, by boat. I went up that river (Altamaha) and docked at the “Two Way Marina”. Talk about going back in time. It looked like something out of “Deliverance”. The current really runs thru there and loaded with mud. Also, there is about an eight foot, tidal drop. I was glad to clear that place and continue on to Florida the next morning.
What is FFV?
Nevermind, I figured it out!