Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America? Location of Fort Caroline may be in Georgia

Science Daily ^ | February 22, 2014 | Florida State University

[Makana]

In an announcement likely to rewrite the book on early colonization of the New World, two researchers have proposed a location for the oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America.

They believe that the legendary Fort Caroline, a long-sought fort built by the French in 1564, is located near the mouth of the Altamaha River in southeast Georgia.

[hoosiermama]

They didn’t use satalittes back then. ;-)

[deport]

Interesting in that Fort Caroline National Memorial is located on the
St. Johns River east of Jacksonvill, FL.

http://www.nps.gov/timu/index.htm

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Spanish Catholics VS French Hugenots.

Keep in mind that the Inquisition was going strong at the time, throw in politics, generally nasty dispositions, to say nothing of fleas, halitosis and jock itch and things got messy.

[ansel12]

History is truly hard.

[laterldf]

I vote for Acoma Sky City, Acoma Puebla, New Mexico as the oldest continuously inhabited village in North America.

Lew

[proudpapa]

What kindofa name is Pedro Menéndez? I bet he was here illegally.

/sarc.

[bert]

This discovery does not mean trouble. This discovery merely locates the fort. The trouble has been well known for a long time.The existence of the 1564 colony is well known and described in the first person in the book "Three Voyages" by Rene Laudonniere.

He was a French Hugenot that made the three voyages to and from the colony at Fort Caroline in the 1560's. In spite of the fact the article says " "The inability to find the fort has made some wonder if it ever existed." There can be no legitimate wonder because of this book. It is first hand primary source.

In 1854, Kirk Monro wrote a book titled "The Flamingo Feather". As a boy, I read it over and over. It is essentially a fictional account of the events descried in "Three Voyages"

As an adult I have made numerous backpacking trips to the Cumberland Island National Sea Shore. One of the reasons I was drawn to that island was the creepy feeling that I was treading the ground described in the Flamingo Feather. I did extensive research to place Fort Caroline at the St Mary's River estuary. The St Mary's river provides the access to the great swamp the books describe. That would be the Okefenokee Swamp.

The Fort Caroline was captured and destroyed by the Spanish marching Overland from St Augistine. That fact is well known and is certain. The distance to the river of May in Florida at Jackonsville and the USNB at Mayport from St Augistine is much shorter and believable than to either Fernindina/Cumberland Island or the Altamatha River estuary.

I have no doubt there was a site discovered. I would doubt it is Ft Caroline. BTW, the Fort Caroline National Historical Park was established in 1966 on land given to the park service for the establishment of the park. There was nothing there that actually drew the park service.

[Fiji Hill]

Leif Erickson didn’t make it to Minnesota. The settlement he founded was on the Atlantic coast. The Kensington Runestone, a supposed artifact dating from the fourteenth century that indicates a Scandinavian presence in Minnesota at the time, is widely believed to be the product of a hoax or prank.

[gop4lyf]

I have 2 different 14th great grandfathers who arrived in Jamestown before 1615. One is John Rolfe, who married Pocahauntas.

[bert]

The Spaniards landed at what is now St Agustine. They established their fort and colony there after destroying Ft Caroline

[bert]

——Plymouth Bay is the only surviving colony settlement-—

Except for St Augustness and the even older Santa Fe

[bert]

The French were protestants, the Spaniards were Catholic..... simple as that

[DSH]

I have 2 different 14th great grandfathers who arrived in Jamestown before 1615. One is John Rolfe, who married Pocahauntas.

Then you definitely have the credentials to be an FFV!

[bert]

No......

That prize goes to the Hopi village Orabi

“Old Oraibi is one of four original Hopi villages, and one of the oldest continuously inhabited villages within the territory of the United States. In the 1540s the village was recorded as having 1,500–3,000 residents

[JmyBryan]

Widely believed is now less widely. Contemporary research has cast doubt on earlier linguistic analysis that the language on the stone couldn’t have existed in the 14th century.

[Tennessee Nana]

actually they found remains of a Fort Caroline in South Carolina a few years ago...

It was triangular in shape...

we had a speaker at a Huguenot luncheon a few years ago who told us the history and had engravings from a book about it..

and there was a Huguenot fort in Florida..

If the Catholic Spaniards had not wiped out the Protestant French in Florida, we would be celebrating Thanksgiving based on that 50 years earlier colony...

The Spaniards killed the Huguenots at both forts..

BTW there was big doings last year in Florida for the 450th anniversary of the arrival of the Huguenots in Florida..

[Tennessee Nana]

PING to #36

[Ditter]

bump

[Tennessee Nana]

The fort builders to JJ: “Now ya tell us”

[Salvation]

And Florida had settlements long before that.